W are jolly well going to get pregnant this month and we're brooking no argument - all rat smackers past, present and future welcome!

[farfallarocks]

Here, we go, nice new thread.
Might be helpful to have some stats so we know where we all are?

I will start, farfallarocks - TTC#2, cycle 11. 1st brooking baby DD, 21 months. Investigations reveal high FSH and potentially starting IVF.

It's so frustrating Cups! I was put ahead at every scan, and they wouldn't take the IVF date! That's what I worked to in my head though it's so lovely starting to tell people. I still haven't accepted that I'm a parent. Sure, I have a baby, but I'm a parent?!

JT, that's great you had a good VBAC last time!

Will either of you be finding out the sex?! Ooh, I'm so excited for you both.

Hope you feel better soon Pasta though I was on my meds pretty much until delivery

Omg maybe I hadn't thought of that
woohoo cups that's great news.

cups that is fantastic news, jaggy too!

Cups I found the nausea got a lot better at 16 weeks, hang in there!
I agree with you re. facebook announcements, I never did one, just felt like tempting fate!

imps how are you lovely?
keep any news on your frosties?

I am feeling glum brookers, feel like veer from being positive about the future to fearing I will never have another child and perhaps need to just accept that. TTC takes up so much of my thoughts and I feel like I torture myself with it sometimes. With that in mind I have booked some counselling sessions to try and get my head straight. I am worried that if supposedly the best clinic out there can't get me preggers, who can? This whole business is so expensive what with the supplements, the acupuncture (who by the way never responded to my text message after spending £££ there) and I feel a bit used and abused by the whole thing at the moment. Clearly I need some prosecco!

oh far . it's so hard. I think a bfn from an ivf cycle is just devastating as you have so much pinned on it. counselling sounds a good idea. can you afford another cycle? do you have a plan, as that always seems to help. also I really believe ivf is just a numbers game sometimes. it can't be 100% even if all goes brilliantly. so there's every reason to think you will get there. but it's awful how expensive and stressful it is. we are here for rants etc. have you told friends/family in real life or is it just you and mrfar. big hugs, and you cuddle that gorgeous minifar x

our appointment with the clinic here is next Friday eek. not that we can afford it right now.

Far I'm so sorry you're feeling so glum. I have been thinking of you but not had a chance to get on here til now. An ivf bfn is very tough when so much has been pinned on it, I felt like that after our first bfn on the NHS. Like Keep said a plan of action whatever that may be can help. I don't know if this might help or not but out of the 6 girls I cycled with 4 of us got pregnant, 1 later miscarried but the 2 who got bfn's got pregnant on their next round. I'm not sure what happened to the lady who miscarried though. Have a prosecco on me, as well as a big fat hug x

Great scan news Jaggy and Cups! Now I know who you are Jaggy

Good luck with the appointment Keep x

Thanks brookers, feeling a little more positive this morning after prosecco with friends! You are right, I need a plan. We will definitely go again in the New Year. Plan is - enjoy xmas, get some counselling, go on holiday and then try again in February or March. We have a follow up appointment in January so will be interesting to see what they say. I suppose I am just worried that I am a poor responder and we will just create more poor quality embryos that won't implant :(

Solars that is great news on the others you cycled with and gives me fresh hope!
keep keeping all crossed for your appointment and that somehow you manage to find the money to go for it!

they say the first ivf cycle tells them loads of info for the next one. you have a few months for a fufc bfp then far!... keep smacking that rat!

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Good news for me. Three whole days of not throwing up! Feeling slightly more normal.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Cups - I am so happy for you and Mr Cups.

(Ps, sorry I am a bit late with the celebration - it took longer to sew the crystals onto my knickers than I'd expected)

Wowsers!! Thanks Imps, I'm speechless after that amazing display I must admit I'm a bit partial to Kevinh from Grimsby myself

How are you doing? Are you a bit more organised for Christmas now?

Jaggy glad to hear your feeling better. I seem to have gone against the grain and have been feeling so sick and dizzy the past few days. I had to come home from work sick yesterday as felt so bad. I am feeling so guilty for being off work as felt a bit better this morning. I then got up and did a few jobs round the house which resulted in a not so nice vomiting session so I guess I only felt better due to lying down doing nothing. I have also had lots and lots of cramps since stopping the extra progesterone at 13 weeks. Just spoken to the midwife who was lovely and reassuring. I know I'm just overthinking it all

Far how are you feeling now? I think it's too early to be worried about your response. It might just be they need to try a different protocol/adjust drugs and dosage. Even though your clinic is meant to be one of the best it was still your first ivf and your first cycle is always a learning curve

Not long till your appointment Keep!

ooh what a display!! go imps!!!

cups I was terrified when I stopped the progesterone at 10 weeks but my Dr was v clear that it's adding nothing by that point as the placenta has taken over. it feels so scary doesn't it? to trust your body? you're doing so well. I found 12-20 weeks tough as I didn't have any scans (after scans at 5 7 9 12 weeks) and didn't feel movement, at least not that I recognised. I think you can start to feel the top of the uterus around now though

far hope Xmas with minifar is distracting you and you're OK

our appointment is actually tomorrow morning - lucky they phoned to confirm as we had it down as Friday!. tbh I'm expecting them to be confused and unhelpful, though mrkeep is just excited...

we have finally sorted presents etc. cups have you told everyone now or are there lots of glances at your Xmas do, etc. you definitely should rest - your job is exhausting. do not feel guilty and watch some trashy TV x

and jaggy glad you're feeling better.

Good luck with your appt today Keep - hope it is actually productive and helpful and you don't come away feeling cross.

I got the appts through for our next consultations last night - 6 Jan for the seminar and 16 Jan for my consultation. Squeeeeeee hopefully these will be more fruitful than the last one.

Happy Thursdays all!

Ooh Imps those appointments will be here before you know it. Is the seminar for teaching you how to give the drugs? I assume you will get your protocol at your consultation appointment?

Keep good luck today, at least you are taking a step in the right direction

Had a very bad evening/night I couldn't stop retching, feeling a bit better now and have managed a bit of breakfast. I've still not told a lot of friends and some work colleagues but the rumours are spreading. DH went out with work people last night and bumped into some of my old work colleagues and one of them knew as she had heard it through the grapevine.

Hope everyone has a nice day, I'm planning on spending most of it in bed one week until Christmas!

hi all, appointment was good actually! but I think we might have to move clinics as our Thai clinic did vitrification of the embies, quick freezing, and this clinic don't have experience of it. we had to take kip of course. she charmed all the doctors - we had 3 as we are so intriguing - and I hope wasnt too bad for the other patients. it was a gynae clinic not just infertility, and anyway I used to see babies in clinics as stories of hope. in other news I have a short term job, starting Jan, so am now of course panicking about kip, and me having to leave her oh and if we do a medicated fet I only have to stop bf 4-6 weeks before

imps yay that's so soon!! I'm so excited for you.

cups glad you're resting. v jealous of spending the day in bed!!

Keep I'm assuming you will have a fair few clinics to choose from as you are near a big city? Bless kip charming all the docs! It never bothered me seeing babies/children at appointments at all but obviously I work with kids so am pretty immune to them I would check that with whichever clinic you choose next though as my last clinic didnt allow children at appointments at all.

Great news on the job as hopefully you will be able to move ahead with the FET soon ish then. It must be so tough thinking about leaving Kip to go back to work. At least your DH is going to be looking after her while you are at work so you know she will be well looked after. Plus it will be lovely for them to spend more time together. I know that probably won't make you feel any better though!

My DH would love to split my mat leave with me or go part time. Unfortunately for him I get much better maternity benefits at my work and he earns a lot more than me so that would never be doable financially. He is very keen to be a hands on dad as his dad was always busy working when he was younger.

I've just woken up after an epic 4 hour nap, I just planned to rest my eyes for a few minutes

a 4 hour nap cups! amazing!
yes, there should be a few clinics close by. thanks for the tip re asking if they'll allow kids. they were looking at our embryo grading which was done differently to here. our 3 frosties+kip were all graded fair, not good. yes, I said, but she's perfect isn't she? the docs laughed and agreed . they say 80% defrost success and 35% success per cycle.

yes, dh will have kip 2 days a week for 6 months, then we will see. it's a shame your dh can't share leave. we haven't shared leave, dh is just dropping his hours. I can't remember what yours does, would that be possible? they were a few raised eyebrows for mine, and tbh I don't think he'd have considered it before she came along. but he's just so besotted. so maybe your dh will find a way once he or she is here. it's just money after all, and this time is so short and precious.

How are you feeling today Cups? Please don't feel guilty about needing to rest. I really am still so, so pleased for you

I'm pleased the appointment went well Keep! And well done on the job. As besotted as MrM is, he's admitted that there's no way he could look after A on a daily basis . When do you think you may try the FET?

Great news on the appointment Imps!! You'll be amazed how quickly things progress once you have if. If is anything like our Bourn hall, you'll have a scan at your appointment and some more bloods. Then they'll book you straight in for your teaching session. Then that will be it!! They'll give you a start date

Hello honey buns! Sat in an airport after a fab weekend away with Mr Imps - this was the trip we booked when I had the miscarriage and we had so much fun.

And now it's only 4 days til Christmas!! Hurrah!

Yes, am pleased that the appointment's soon. It's exciting to think that there's a realistic chance that this time next year I may be pregnant. But being one to always have a Plan B I've decided that if I'm not diffed by July, I'm going to sign up for a local half marathon in October. Would be amazing to be able to achieve one of those, so that will be something to look forward to.

What have you all been up to this weekend then? Jaggy and Cups how is the nausea?

Hiya Imps!

Glad you had a good weekend. :)

That does feel soon for appointments, brooking for general awesomeness for the new year for all.

The throwing up is better. I was only sick half the days last week, rather that every day. ( I got a bit excited after the 3 days of no sick and ate too much. oops)

I even felt like eating some chocolate, which I have been off for ages. (that's just wrong). Hope yours is better too Cups.

Last day of work today yay! The quicker I get done I can get home to my boys, so shouldn't really be chatting.

Am so impressed with the epic naps. I need one of those!

My DH is a SAHD, just for financial reasons really. I'm happy that one of us can be at home though.

There were many eyebrows raised (and even more now they know he'll be at home longer, all being well next year). My MIL asked so many times "would you not like to be off at home?". Of course I bloody would, but unless you can magic DH a better paying job I can't. If she says it again this time I may be a bit mental. ooo sorry for hijack.

Hey all, have decided to come out from lurking, as we have decided to ttc again from this month. Was cd24 on Saturday when we did the deed, although thinking about it it was early hours of Sunday so really cd25... my cycles still haven't gone back to a normal length, although not as bad as the mammoth cycle when I fell pregnant on cd 40 which was the mc. The last couple of cycles were 39 days and 42 days. So in with a chance from Saturday, although trying not to get my hopes up as we have got pregnant first time of trying every time so far, and that can't keep happening, plus I'm a year older than last time we tried, and lost 2 in the last 15 months so it's not all just about getting the BFP like it was the first couple of times...born worrier as always!

Loopy fab to see you back! I quite understand the worry - brooking no argument that this is your time. I hadn't realised you'd lost two :( It is so shit.