Right, warned you this was going to be a long one – sorry to anyone on mobiles!!!
Hi and welcome to everyone joining the August bus too and so sorry to everyone else caught out by AF.
I really really hope you have ovulated Treacle as it is super frustrating to not even be given the chance of a BFP and I know you might have a month off. Looking at your [edit: first] chart, there is a difference between the ovulation temps and post ovulation temps but I agree, progesterone doesn’t seem to be very dominant. However, I also don’t think your chart looks like a typical anovulatory one either, if I ignore your AF temps, so fingers crossed!
Edit: Just read your latest post, if you are going off FF’s Advanced method, it is placing a big emphasis on your positive opk – hence it places ovulation on CD14. Change the settings to FAM method instead and see what it says, based on your temps and CM alone. I think you might have ovulated CD14 though, as like me and other charts I have seen on FF, the progesterone might have taken a while to take over from the oestrogen/corpus luteum. The other possible day is CD20. Either way, I am sure you have ovulated (I’ve just read your posts after this Grand and Treacle - I luffs you 
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How bloody awesome was your positive opk Blueberry!!!!! Top Banana 
Lots of people have said that they got AF cramping prior to a BFP so they thought they were out – I hope that is you!!!
Oh English - really gutted on your behalf. WTF went on with that cycle????!!!! You poor poor thing – I understand the need to take some time out as it really upsetting after all that hope. I hope temping gives you something to focus on and do drop in every now and again, when you get a good day. I can see you cradling your little one in no time xx
Welcome back from Italy spinning!!!! Fingers crossed for you in the TWW! I often DTD on the day of a positive opk, the next two days after and then a couple more eod for luck. Worked for me in Feb, but hasn’t worked since. It’s all about luck, timing and miracles if you ask me!!
EDIT: Do you have another student staying with you? Poor you-you can’t catch a break with them, it seems!!!
Sorry you were feeling low April - It can be frustrating when temps don’t correspond with the CBFM and DH is away during a fertile period. Looked into private tests too, but really can’t afford the hundreds of pounds it would cost in London, so going to keep trying a few more cycles
I can’t say I have ever experience a lightening crotch MrsE but it surely has to be added to the list of SYMPTOMS!!?? Reading this: it's not as if I don't have a family I just wanted to say that you shouldn’t feel guilty for feeling so down about another BFN. It still hurts, whether you already have kids or not. You will live up to your name and be blessed soon, I just know it!!
kurama I loved reading about your potential little notes to let DH know when a BFP arrives – I too have thought of different ways in the past, of telling DH, but have sort of given up on inventive ways as the longer this process goes on! I was so certain I would be successful back in June, that I even bought a Fathers Day card but of course, totally jinxed myself and found it difficult that weekend when AF arrived and was reading Spotti’s announcement/card to her DH (which was lovely, Spotti, if you’re reading! But I was a little down too) so have decided not to get my hopes up that way ever again.
I am so sorry about your results but wow for gearing up to ovulate/ed without the Clomid. So hope this change is your ticket to a BFP xxx Keep going chick, we’ll get you to your desintation!!
Brilliant news cinnamon 
you must be over the moon with your BFP – well done!!!!
Nordic lots of virtual hugs – so so sorry you have had another early mc – that was such a lovely clear BFP as well (((hugs))) Have you had a chat with DH about surrogacy recently?
Well done on your BFP Serenity a long time coming!! Glad everything went like clockwork for you this cycle and you have a happy and healthy 9 months!!
lucie Thanks for being the stats conductor – there are a lot of us on this bus! I am an advocate for internet cheapie opks, as my cycles are all over the place and I just couldn’t afford ClearBlue any longer. I would get flashing smileys for forever, before getting a solid and sometimes miss a solid entirely as FMU just doesn’t work with me; I think 13 flashing smileys in a row was my record and I was exhausted DTD all that time, as I kept thinking today could be it and didn’t realise the CB device is programmed to keep giving highs until a peak, even if the body stops and no peak comes and tries again, oh, and I got through two months’ supply in one cycle and still ran out of sticks. I like that I can continue testing with my internet cheapies as it seems I often gear up for ovulation, then don’t, so I like to keep testing to see. ClearBlue OPKs and FM are great when you have normal cycles though.
Sorry Grand - I can’t see a second line on your picture yet, but I know what you mean seeing in real life – have you tested again? EDIT: Oh, just read again – I can see a faint thin line on that picture, on my laptop!!!! How many dpo are you?
Have fun DTD MrsG - hope this month you get lucky again!
Have fun camping Cpt!!!!!
Brixton my lovely – CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Wonderful news on the BFP but also on your engagement!! 
all round methinks!!!!!!
Sunshine Quite often EWCM precedes ovulation in the fertile period but can stop by the time ovulation happens-have you had any prior to CD11? Otherwise, it doesn’t mean you didn’t ovulate but without temps or a scan to confirm, you can’t be sure. As you have ics, can you keep testing over the next few days to see if they stay negative? I would DTD a few more times in case, but then I’m a DTD nutter and use Conceive Plus or Balance Activ all the time 
Katybear - The Apps go on different algorithms based on the data you enter but they can still be incorrect – thanks mother nature! Ovia are probably going off general averages based on other users with similar stats and FF is going off your worst case scenario average. Are you going to use anything else to help work out your fertile period this month? Otherwise, DTD eod till about CD20 should cover most people’s cycles. Good luck!
Sorry about your row genni - It can be very stressful TTC and when you have been trying for a long time too, it’s bound to come to a head. I hope that you can take this through with your DH and successfully DTD soon Let us know how it goes xx
misty - When you can, a bit of positive thinking can do you the world of good, so don’t feel bad – you have every right to hope and you do have convincing SYMPTOMS
I don’t seem to have read anything from laurano81 - are you okay sweetie? I totally understand if you are taking time off the buses but just to let you know I’m thinking of you and hope this cycle is going well xx