You can do it by charting, analysing, testing, and worrying, but we prefer... JUST SHAGGING PART 20!!

[Nessalina]

Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in!

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture!

The link to Part 19 is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1906908-Come-and-join-us-on-the-brand-new-rather-fabulous-and-very-slightly-notorious-or-so-wed-like-to-think-JUST-SHAGGING-PART-19" target="_blank">here</a>

The current Grads Fred is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1817751-Just-Shagging-Grads-Fred-8-Roll-up-roll-up-all-Viroids-welcome" target="_blank">here</a>

The rather nobbish article in which we became a little bit notorious is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-dark-side-of-mumsnet-my-shocking-tour-of-the-websites-nether-regions-8905055.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Grin" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/grin-D7Eg_B6y.png">

Happy shagging shaggers!

I haven't done anything to encourage pant snot it is just copious! NORWICH Appoach is.... (wait for it....)

Nickers
Off
Ready
Waiting when
I
Come
Home

haha... used to be written on letters from soldiers to their girls apparently - How very rude! Our Grandma's probably all knew about NORWICH

So we've been. He was so nice, basically told me to come in for bloods 3 months running to check for OV and arranging for him to jizz in a cup, oh so very romantic.
Been told off for stopping taking folic acid too, as I got complacent and bored with it, so I'm back popping them too.
3 months?
3 months..
Fuck.
Tho he did say the first thing in his head as to why it hadn't happened just yet was 'ah, she's cabin crew... Bingo'
Great.

bear a big hug for you. You've been such a great support system and inspiration to me because of your determination and positivity. That said, be angry. Be very angry. Be sad. I would feel the same exact way (and do oftentimes; had a dark day yesterday, actually). It seems like life just keeps throwing hurdles in our way. One step forward, two steps back. But maybe, just maybe, it is two steps forward and only one step back, and we are indeed moving forward even if it doesn't always feel like it.

As for advice, I agree with lil re: making a big fuss about the error and trying to get in sooner. It is your life, your health and your decision - it's OK to raise your voice and fight. Do what you need to do in your personal life and career, too. Nothing can't be re-sorted later, when your family situation does change.

And let me tell you this: All the bullshit paperwork, red tape, waiting around, wondering what the hell is wrong with you and dealing with people who just don't f'ing understand, is truly the worst. And you've really had it bad. But the worst is almost over. Once you are actually undergoing treatments, it will feel easy in comparison (I promise). You will feel hopeful again. Medicine is amazing and I am confident we will both have success.

Love NORWICH!!!

I too had surprising pant snot today.. I think it's icing time. DP has been very obliging with the JSing so far this cycle.

Last night, we both agreed that ttc really takes the romance out of it, as knowing you have to do it just kind of kills the urge somehow. But we just laughed and got on with it anyway. Then agreed it's not such a bad thing to have to do each night...

Good luck viroids, get thy cape action on!

Sorry to everyone who's out for the month.

minion - 3 months seems like a long time, but it'll go quickly; I am glad you have had some movement in the right direction!

essie good grief, why can't these doctors seem to get anything right?

NORWICH made me smile :)

I've been doing it wrong ! More like Ashford -

A sleep
S hit
Have
Forgotten
Ovulated
Really
Do we bloody have to !

Or Surrey -

Shattered
U nderstandably as
Regularly
Romping
E very effing evening
Yawn!

Sorry I haven't replied after posting my big long rant, but please know I really do appreciate all your messages and I read them all. They made me cry, which isn't unsurprising the mood I'm in but they were so touching. I know I'm only one of many and I do apologise for not posting for ages and then hijacking the thread but I really didn't know who else to talk to who would understand. So thank you so much. It has lifted me. I've never felt so down about it. I feel s bit like I did when my dad died, which is odd, but I guess its like grief or depression. However, I'm trying not to think about it and I'll work it through in my head.

I told my boss today in a friend capacity because I thought someone needed to know at work before I ran out of a room crying or something and that has made me feel lots better. She was really good about it which made me feel happier and like I have someone who can protect me from certain conversations.

I know I won't abandon my friend, but it was all just about raw yesterday. Also, I know I'm lucky in so many ways and I just need to be patient. As for the hospitals, Lil, we've done everything we need to for a referral. We're beyond 21 day bloods (they do HIV and other stuff before they'll sccept you for Ivf) and they've agreed to refer us. The mix up was between two hospitals- one not transferring the results and the other not chasing. Useless twits. Anyway, looks like it might be underway but we have no idea about waiting times. If no one contacts us this week I may not be responsible for my actions!

I'm going to just try to take each day as it comes and not cry at work and hide myself away a bits I I don't have to deal with anyone.

As I said, thanks so much for your messages. They mean a lot and I will get myself out of this rather enormous pity pool. I feel for all of you as well and wish I could change things for all of you, I really do. You're the nicest people.

Juniper- thanks so much for the PM. I'll reply properly tomorrow when I'm on a PC. Also I'm a bit I'll with a cold so need to sleep.

Loving the acronyms! Really cheered me up!

Bloody hell. So many typos and lack of punctuation. Sorry - hope you get the gist.

Glad to hear they're pulling their fingers out Bear! Make sure you're all over 'em like a rash!!
Love the acronyms! I aim for Norwich but am mostly Surrey!!
That said I think we have had some well timed shagging in the Ness house tonight - EWCM, v.horny, and a positive OPK, so fingers crossed! And with a steaming cold too - v.impressed DH came near me!

bear glad to know you are at least some way down the line. maybe its fate and you'll get upduffed anyway during the delay (doesn't hurt to hope)

I have a stonking cold. on the plus side I've got it during AF week, which is also s down side, but the real downside is fh will probably get it just as we need to start jsing! grrr. it would be just my luck if I ov early this month!

minion glad the drs went well. odd they are doing 3months of bloods. do you think that's because of your job and it maybe being difficult to get bang on day "21" for you? at least they are being thorough. I assume your phct doesn't have the 2year referral window then?

www.canyouseealine.com/view_home_pregnancy_test.php?testID=43905

May I take one fore the js'ing team!?

is that your test mrsb? I can see something but no obvious colour to it.

oooh...

checking on my phone so not mega clear, can see something

congrats may be in order mrs!

Nooo I can't see it either! So I'll have to take your word for it! Congrats Mrsb!

Loving the Norwich approach. Might ask my Gran if she knows what that is! She's quite cool, she'll laugh. I have to say I've not been spending much time in Norwich recently. Cervix-gate has kind of killed the romance a bit. Knowing I'm all but sealed up kind of makes it seem a bit pointless. Need to try and pull myself together and start enjoying a bit of frivolity again!

Bear, it pays to keep harassing. I lost my rag yesterday about the crap referral letter and whilst I was on the warpath I rang the hospital and gave them a hard time and I now have a proper referral letter in my hand, and a hotline to the clinical lead at the colp dept - yay! She is going to review my notes herself and call me back to discuss my options. I also now have an appointment with a private consultant next week for another opinion too. I am turning into one of those over informed patients from hell, but if they'd looked after me properly in the first place then I wouldn't be having to be a pain in the arse now would I!

Happy shagging shaggers.

Congrats MrsB

Good work on the harassing front essie, sorry for all the trouble.

Wondering where thelentil is?

CD 1 proper here, ugh. Holding off the sadness by taking action so enquired about starting acupuncture and will book smear (double ugh) and GP next week. Might spend some money and try to meet Zita irl too will let you know!

Happy Norwich cape action for those in the game. Off to add Molten Brown goodies to the pity jacuzzi. Fragrant!

that must feel a bit more positive Essie

juniper intrigued about your acupuncture. I want to try it but I'm struggling to find a medical accupunturist rather than a wack job one. let alone one that does fertility acupuncture!

Oooh mrsB! If that's yours then congrats are definitely in order - that's a line if ever I saw one! Clear Blue Digital time?

hey lil, this one I've found might be a bit woo woo but I am a bit sometimes too. I saw someone when I was in follow up for the molar pregnancy and it was really nice. It was more like spiky counselling than anything. It'll be nice to have something for myself & someone to talk to about it etc. Maybe your GP can refer you to a medical one? I know lots of GP surgeries offer it & GPs have trained up in it.

In some good news, my DH had a urology appointment today for unrelated issues but the consultant has ordered a full SA for him after he told him about us trying. Shame the hospital is completely on the other side of town! So, making plans to get things investigated is making me feel a bit less shit. I am eating all the chocolate right now though (Zita would not approve, but fuck her today, frankly).

Nessa I have another test for tomorrow and will do a digi at the weekend I think . Its taken me a bit by surprise tbh!

Congratulations mrsb

I see it, mrsb! Congratulations!

girls I have a question. has anyone ever had a randomly lighter than usual AF? tmi alert...since I came off the pill I have had heavier periods which settled down from what they were to be heavy on day1 medium day 2-3 light day 4 then spotting day 5 maybe 6. this month barely medium day 1 then really light yesterday and today, being day 3. the bfn 2 days before AF rules out pg but Dr goofle is not helping me with a reason, just lots of forums rather than science. any suggestions appreciated

I see it MrsB! Congratulations!!!!!

Lil not sure, but all I can say is that your body plays tricks.. just when you think you've got the measure of it, it does something out of the ordinary to confuse you. Hope it's just a glitch in your otherwise normal cycles.

I have had that happen, lil. Our bodies just like to keep us on our toes. I had the same experience - much heavier periods after coming off the pill. But every once in awhile, I have a light one for no apparent reason.

Girls, I have been on and off the phone all day trying to get my Rx sorted for my injections with my insurance company's specialty pharmacy. I know that I have no reason whatsoever to complain since so many women have no insurance whatsoever and would give anything to be in my position, but GOD they make it almost impossible to fill your prescriptions. I almost feel like they make it hard on purpose so you'll just give up and save them money. My Rx have been with insurance company for ELEVEN days, and there is still no movement. It was so much easier when I was able to deal with the local pharmacy. Grr! OK, end of rant.

It is snowing like MAD here in New Jersey. My 20 mile ride home from work took an hour and a half today. Weather.com says my town has 11.2 inches already and it's going to snow all night. Why don't I move to Florida? Or Italy?