The Elderberry Pavlovas: still chasing that 'copter in the hope of a festive BFP. Thread 16 (the one where Happy was left in charge!!)

[happylass]

Here we go again.....

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 6+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot) and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooooh aren’t we strict!

So she basically instadiffed again straight after the mc?! And I had to wait 2 months just to get AF back and only then with the help of drugs ?! No wang from here happy I'm as well!!

rp it's been a while, but yes, back in the 2ww! as long as temp goes up tomorrow morning

Oh, and yes to the dragging by the nails!! 3 weeks and only 2 weeks until the musical - the kids don't know the lyrics, can't sing the songs properly and the actors haven't got a clue - oh and I haven't sorted props and costumes yet!!!

Yes Barking, sil has instadiffed twice in the last 5-6 months . Gladly accepts the chipolata from Merk provided its of the vegetarian variety!
Had a proper blub today over TTC, haven't done that for ages. Am itching to get back in the game now

Oooooh Christmas hats are out [tchsmile] [tchgrin] [tchwink]

Well. Temp went back down this morning. FF has admitted defeat and removed the crosshairs. Maybe I'm not heading for the 2ww after all?! wtf?!

happy I will have to Wang you for the Christmas hats!!!!!!

I am not surprised at the i am too. I was chatting to my mum yesterday, they got married at 21 but I didn't arrive till she was 30 so many many years of trying!!! She has always talked about being jealous of people who had miscarriages which does sound weird but she says at least they knew they could get pregnant when she thought she couldn't. (Hope that makes sense, I am not suggesting TTC is worse than a mc)

Oh dear barking glad I don't temp, it sounds confusing!

Happy sorry about your rotten day. I would've been broken up by that too. I think the relentlessly open-ended element of TTC is what's hard to cope with; it's like running a marathon where everyone else seems to cross the finish line with ease while we're still hobbling along on blistered feet wondering why the hell nobody's handed us our trophy yet. You'll start trying again in Feb, right?

2ww officially entered over here; 3dpo and although we should've DTD 1dpo I think overall we did well. IVF clinic appt is Thurs & I'm cautiously excited. as much as I hate the idea that it might take a third party (ie a dr) to get us pg, it has to be preferable to this limbo. I'm just ready to move on.

Barking can you start on the OPKs again?

Sorry about all the instadiffers happy. Everywhere I look there are people announcing pregnancies. It's got to the point where I'm scared to meet someone ive not seen in a while in case there's an announcement.

blue thanks for the dhea tip. It looks like that might be good for me, what with my low amh and high fsh. The journal articles seem to show some impressive results (barad and gleicher if you want to google). It's also mentioned in my bible, the impatient woman's guide to getting pregnant, so I'm automatically in favour. Think I'll chat to my consultant. How are you finding taking it lady? Any side effects yet?

Anyone had any dealings with natural ivf? Sounds like something might be good for low ovarian reserve also?

What a miserable day today! So grey!

Bunny if you saw my house I think I'd be in for an ubër wanging - Christmas tree and decs are out in force! Although its only because we're away from 29th so I want to get my money's worth from the tree cos I'm a skinflint

Yes Sid we're back in action from February, although of course the law of sod will come in to play as me and DP are both away in different parts of France for the key part of shag week. So March will be our first proper go at it I think. Only 17 days and counting until we get to see the consultant though so hopefully things will get moving in that area soon so that Ill know what you're all talking about with the AMH, FSH etc
Hope everyone's had a good start to the week.

bunny it's not confusing when your cycles are ok, it's confusing when they're not, which is how I know something is wrong! Until I started temping I had no idea that my cycles weren't like they were supposed to be.

CD24 and temps suggest I haven't O'd even though opk suggested a surge. I have a horrible feeling my cycles are still screwed post mc. It's either going to be a cycle without O, which given I'm on clomid is particularly annoying, or it's a ridiculously long one as O is still to come please don't tell me it's shag fortnight!!. Or both - stupidly long cycle with no O!!!

Thanks for asking barking, happy and charming I'm having a hard year but bearing up OK thanks. Stable on HRT, physically feeling a lot better, waiting for DE IVF that we hope will start Jan/Feb depending on donor lists. But my sis is really ill, it was touch and go this autumn. Amazingly she pulled through but it's only a matter of time, all very sudden and very sad. So, this year has called on a few reserves of strength shall we say...

Happy and Barking how you doing? Doubtless Charming you are buoyed?!

Oh Cherry I'm so very sorry to hear about your sister. Sending you lots of love and hugs. We are, as always, here if and when you need us.

I'm doing well, thank you for asking. Having a little break from TTC at the moment as we've got our wedding booked for just under 9 months time and didn't want to risk potentially giving birth during it! Seeing the consultant for the 1st time in a few weeks too after a loooooong wait. So hoping for some developments there

Cherry sorry to hear your news and I hope you're able to spend plenty of time with your sister at the moment.

Winohhh so far DHEA is fine, no beard yet. The split dose is due to potential nausea but I've just been taking 75mg once a day to make it easier to remember.

Barking I'm joining you with the screwed up cycles, OPKs getting darker and then fading again, CD 21 and no sign of O. No EWCM this month either.

So sorry about your sister cherry, what a shitty year.
I'm good in general life and will be much better in 15 days when the over ambitious christmas production at school has been and gone, although up and down where ttc is concerned. Positive thinking highs and then reality lows! Just wish I could at least have got my cycles back properly post mc. It's all still messed up. Every morning temp brings new surprise and confusion!

I've had the opposite lady, ewcm all over the place, far too early to make sense and not remotely lining up with my one positive opk!! Crazy!!

Morning ladies,

I've been MIA because I felt I was turning into a right nutcase about this conception business so decided to just relax and not quite stop trying, but just leave it to chance I guess, for a while. It certainly has resulted in us being more relaxed and going back to focusing on each other rather than a potential baby.

This month I actually think we timed the DTD rather well, with OV on dc14. I am now 3dpo and have mild cramps and very sore nips so it could have worked, but I know that I'm a symptom chaser so I'm just going to try to relax and see what happens.

Barking maybe your cycle has gone a bit squiffy due to stress with work etc. my cycles went a little crazy last year when we moved house. Also maybe your low BMI is playing havoc with your sex hormones? Gaining a few pounds may help regulate this? I'm trying not to think about your EWCM being all over the place!

Because I always get uber sensitive nips about 3 days after a positive OV. In my mind it means that I've ovulated but who knows!

cherry really sorry to hear about your sister. Losing a loved one is never easy but it seems especially cruel when the person is young. I'm just really sorry take care of yourself, and of each other

barking and lady have your drs told you what you can expect cycle-wise, how long this wonkiness will go on? it must be so frustrating; things need to get back to normal asap!!

Because I'm 4dpo and only wish I had a random sign to use as encouragement; every 2ww I'm fine during the first 7 days but the second week just drags. am determined to not get too attached to any hope and just focus on enjoying the holidays & getting on course with the IVF clinic. not really sure that's entirely possible though!!

anyone else getting mildly depressed by having to Christmas shop for little ones in the family? or am I the only one?

Thanks for the DHEA info Lady, that link was interesting. I wonder why it is not so popular here though? I'll defo be talking to our Dr about it! Hopefully it does help, and for you Win!

Thanks Boodle and Merk for more insight into the whole BBT thing - had no idea about the two surges, and I know the whole 'implantation dip' thing often happens whether or not you are pg So I think it is best I stop trying to figure out what every little shift could mean - esp as a few times a night I have to roll my husband onto his side to try and quieten his snores! and all the shouting, shoving and pinching that is required to get him to stir is probably not helping with the accuracy of my temps anyway! testing, testing

Happy I'd be too, what was said to your MIL? My SIL is pg with her second now (and we started TTC before they started their 1st, grr) and we are running out of excuses to tell MIL. She would love to see my husband a father - the worst thing is, she was diagnosed with lung cancer earlier in the year (and she has never even touched a cigarette!) so we know how precious time is

Glad things are more relaxed now Because, FX it has done the trick!

Hope your cycle gets sorted soon, Barking!

Sid just going shopping is a test! So many little ones about! I left boots in tears on Sunday as got to the till only to be told that the '3 for 2' offer on 'vitamins and herbal supplements' that was plastered all over the conception/pregnancy section didn't actually include the boots conception stuff, and there was no way I was about to part with £43! I was surrounded by prams and to be honest it was just the last straw. Anyway, just looking into baby shops gets me upset, so know exactly how you feel!

sid shopping for DP's baby nephew did put me out a bit, but as I did all my xmas shopping online on Sunday night it wasn't like I was trawling through a baby shop, I just bought a book!

What is getting to me, and I remember this being painful last year as well, are certain Christmas songs. I turned the radio off this morning when they started playing 'When a child is born'

gilster my cycles have always been wonky, ever since they started. Since charting though I've always had a clear difference between pre and post O temps, which is what is screwed up this month. I don't know whether this is linked to the clomid, or whether the provera 'withdrawal bleed' means it won't be a 'normal' cycle anyway. The FC didn't tell me not to take the clomid this cycle though.
Putting on weight isn't an option unless I stop exercising, which I'm definitely not doing as it's the only thing keeping me sane! I have a very high metabolism and even when I was ill and completely inactive I struggled to put much weight on. I'm not skinny to look at (although I used to be when I was on the pill) and I'm not underweight.
I just want this cycle to be over and a normal one to start!!

Was listening to the radio this morning and also switched off when they played 'when a child is born'. Also feeling your pain about the over-ambitious Christmas production, barking . We practised our nativity today and it was a shambles. We have to fight for time in the hall. We are the only year group doing a full production with costumes and speaking parts, yet we don't get any priority for rehearsal. The show to parents is next Thursday. I was ready to cry after the rehearsal today. We're also expected to do 2 dress rehearsals next week to older children.

Very emotional too. Not helping.

Evening all! I'm back from Italy having eaten twice my own body weight in pasta washed down with buckets of . Feeling revived and pleased to have got away from life for a bit. blue you were right: am glad colleague told me before I went as it gave me time to process the news. Am ok with it for the moment, but sure that will change as her bump appears. Thanks for all your support over that incident, guys.

cherry reading your post brought a tear to my eye. Hope you are as ok as can be. Family illness is very tough.

sid second week of the tww is usually when I'm at my tetchiest. Resist doing a hpt at all costs!

because totally get what you were saying about needing to go MIA for a bit. This ttc business is exhausting.

How is everyone? Just catching up on the thread now. Re Christmas songs etc - the bit I'm finding the hardest is that last year I kept thinking "this time next year I'll be pregnant or maybe even have a newborn. and obviously, I have neither

I did an opk this evening and a very faint second line came up. Last week, there was no line. Not temping or doing the opks with regularity as I'm not on officially ttc again till the new year, but not had af since the ectopic and there is no sign of one either. Any thoughts, anyone? (merk, are you there?!? )

feather glad you had a good time . I didn't get a +opk or any sign of AF after my mc, it was over 2 months later by the time I took the provera. With me the opks are snowy white most of the month, then the line gets stronger and stronger for 3 or 4 days until I get a positive, then snowy white a couple of days later. Don't know if that helps at all!