Brook no arguments, smack those rats. It's time for us all to become PSEPP! Come join us, we are getting our BFPs no matter what.

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PSEPP = Pee Stick Endorsed Pregnant Person.

Come on Brookers make yourselves at home

Geek you will be just fine. I think how Scarlett and I felt was an exception rather than the norm. You'll breeze through. I had a few during dr. It did me no harm at all. Oven ever had a bikini wax. More of a razor girl

Yes Scarlett! I started my job 1 week after BFP! It's bound to happen again!!

geek did you down reg last time? This next time will be your time do you think I'll have to down reg sorry complete ivf dummie other than what I've picked up from you guys!

beedles jabbing for another 2 days I think. Had to do it in the carpark at work today (was told not to before my appointment but then they said I should). Was so worried someone would see me and think I was doing drugs haha

scarlett how'd the interview go?

boo basically I mowed it!!! Feel very bad about it! Really thought it was going to move! Did you sort your wall paper?

So in my news, my scan showed my follies were only 9mm so got to stay on the menopur for now and got another scan Friday. Apparantly because I have multi cystic ovaries, each one of the follies is absorbing the hormone rather than allowing one to become dominant!

Kitty, if you have to IVF, your treatment will very much depend on your clinic and which protocol they choose. I have multi cystic ovaries too.

To be fair, with the menopur, it is meant to stimulate all your follies, as that's what it's used for in IVF. I'm assuming anyway. I was on gonal-f, but I think they're similar.

maybe really? That's encouraging that you got pg 1st time with ivf then. Did you down reg? Remind me how long you were ttc for? X

It never affected my ovulation so it was never a problem. In most cases, I don't think it causes any problems. Our o ly reason for IVF was MrM being a cystic fibrosis carrier. I have high fertility otherwise. We were TTC 2.5 years, but again, if MrMs problem had been picked up we could've been sorted much sooner.

Yes, I down-reggegd, but that's my clinics standard protocol. There really isn't much difference in success rates between the different protocols, it's just what works for you x

maybe can I ask what your prog levels were? Sorry, very nosy!!!! X

They were completely normal, don't know the exact figure though . All my hormones were fine, I just have a very high follicle count, so it's never caused me any problems x

kitty no, I didn't down reg last time because I have polycystic ovaries and down regging with them can really increase your risk of a nasty effect called OHSS, where your ovaries hyperstimulate and it causes issues after egg collection. This time I have had to accept that risk, in the hope that the down regging will improve egg quality by drying up my endometriosis. As maybe says, the menopur is there to increase follicle stimulation of them all, not just a dominant one, though with IUI I don't think they want to stimulate too many if I remember rightly. Brooking that you don't need to get as far as IVF, and that IUI does the trick for you.

Oh, I know what I meant to say yesterday - I saw a car at the weekend with a BFP plate!!! The last time a brooker saw one of those, the next IVFer got her BFP. So beedle, I'm looking at you!

Ladies, can I get your opinions on something please? I've just remembered that my original twatty NHS consultant had said that even after my NHS shots at IVF, I would still be entitled to three shots at IUI - we were fast tracked to ICSI because MrG's swimmers were so bad that IUI is not recommended in our case. However, what would you say my chances might be of IUI with donor sperm? It would be at least a year from next January before we could afford a round of private IVF. Do you think this is something we might be able to do in the meantime? As natural is completely out for us, it would help me feel like I was still in the game, so to speak, and for some really weird reason I'm not as freaked out by the idea as I am about IVF with donor sperm. Possibly because MrG and I can still DTD and so if I did get pg we could hang on to the idea that it might possibly be his? I don't know. Sorry, I'm rambling now. It was just a thought that came to me.

Geek lovely, if you want my honest opinion, I think you need to really be at peace with the donor sperm. You wouldn't be able to pretend that the baby was MrGs if it wasn't. Before donor sperm you need to have counselling. It's a really big deal, and I don't think you should go for it if you aren't both 100% sure. I think donor sperm is a fantastic thing, it was our next point of call, but we had made our peace with it. It took MrM a while, and we never would've done it unless we were bth completely sure.

I don't mean that to sound harsh, but it's such a massive deal and not something you can pretend isn't happening. But I do think if you go for it, it's absolutely amazing x

Have got SK's here so sorry for post and run without reading back whilst in the bathroom lol but had to post. CD33 here today and still no sign of AF. BUT dud some looking back and pre-treatment I had EWCM days 12-14 then 28-30 day cycle. On the cycles ive logged in between treatments I've had EWCM days 11-13 and 27/28 day cycles. This month I got EWCM on days 18 & 19. So technically I'm not late yet am I? I need to wait til day 35 until I'm actually late? Whats the brooker consensus?

Used a very disagreeable IC peestick yesterday too...

geek i agree with maybe - donor sperm is brilliant, and may well be the right thing for you both, but I think that you need to make a proper decision of whether to use it or not before you do use it. I completely believe that children are your children from love, not from genetics, but at the same time it would take some time to get your head around it. I wonder if it'd be easier for MrG as he already has children. It might help to talk to people who have been in a similar situation, like sweetie maybe.

maybe just to say, that I supposedly have 'high fertility' too, and they never found a reason, so I strongly believe that there is something, at least one thing, that they aren't testing for. I guess in your case it was a pretty darned obvious reason and they ballsed up finding out about it for a while but I don't think fertility is as easy as saying yes, there are eggs, sperm, tubes and uterus in a good condition. Which is what my consultant said to me. SO WHY WASN'T IT WORKING?! i screamed inside.

kitty I hope the scan goes well tomorrow. I think for IUI it's a balancing act of not stimulating too many follicles. I have heard of some people being converted to IVF or having the option too if there are too many follies, but not sure if the NHS'd do that. I assume you're on a much lower dose that IVFers to try and minimise the risk of that though. I wouldn't worry too much about PCOS because it seems that loads of people get preggers with it. And you've been ovulating, haven't you?

ooh scarlett!!! That is tentatively exciting. I'm sorry you used a faulty pee stick yesterday, but I'll be holding out for a good one on, say, saturday? Good luck!!

keep and maybe, thanks for your responses. Reading it back, some of what I wrote sounds a bit daft even to me. I can only put it down to being sleep deprived and too early in the morning. FTR, MrG has no issue with sperm donation whatsoever, he's been suggesting it right from way back when he had his first SA done.

scarlett sorry about your very faulty pee stick, it obviously doesn't know what is good for it. Looking at your dates, day 35 would appear to be the most likely 'late' date, but brooking my socks off for you.

That's good geek, but you have to be ok with it too, sweetheart.

Scarlett this sounds exciting to me!! Wait a few days. Then test again!! IC are rubbish. Fact.

Geek that's great MrG is on board. I'd thoroughly recommend a counciling session to talk everything through. Exciting times though x

Keep I totally know where you're coming from. The relief we felt when we had a 'reason' was overwhelming. I can only imagine the frustration of being told its unexplained. I didn't mean to sound flippant earlier.

maybe is spot on scarlett IC are completely rubbish (though in my case superdrug and morrisons were also rubbish, frer are the way to go)!

I know keep. Got a bit of work to do there. Stupid, because I'm more than fine with both egg donation and embryo adoption.

Counselling's a good idea.

No, maybe, you didn't. I just worry that they focus on small issues with some people which might not be the full story.

Totally know what you mean Keep. I think so little is known, especially female related, that they tend to generalise an awful lot and put the emphasis on the wrong things.

Agreeing with Geek on the frer front!

Geek is it because you worry about what MrG is really thinking? I went though a phase of that with MrM. Like he was saying it was fine, but I didn't believe him

Ha! maybe you've got it in one. I'm scared there'll come a point when it will matter to him, and either the baby/child or I, or both, will get rejected because it's not his. Stupid, I know, because he really does seem very calm and happy (almost excited) about the prospect, in just the same way as we both were about egg donation.

Totally agree on the investigation/lack of knowledge. I swear when they find just one thing with either partner, they completely stop looking instead of looking at the bigger picture and trying to get to the real bottom of things. So much is still unknown about fertility. It's amazing really, given how crucial the process is to human survival!

Well we are taking the kids to the coast tomorrow for a few days so no doubt the witch is currently sat in a deck chair waiting to ruin my holiday

I might set fire to a tenner buy an frer later today, for the drawer you understand! The law of Sod dictates as soon as I use one of those the bleed starts within the hour

geek swiftly adding my second to what everyone else has said re donors, I personally cannot get my head round donor eggs and don't see it being an option for us. What you said about dtd as well though reminded me of a modern family scene where 2 gay guys [1 fair white & 1 latino] say they mixed their sperm together so they will never which one fathered the son they had with a surrogate whilst holding a dark skinned dark haired baby

Well we are taking the kids to the coast tomorrow for a few days so no doubt the witch is currently sat in a deck chair waiting to ruin my holiday

I might set fire to a tenner buy an frer later today, for the drawer you understand! The law of Sod dictates as soon as I use one of those the bleed starts within the hour

geek swiftly adding my second to what everyone else has said re donors, I personally cannot get my head round donor eggs and don't see it being an option for us. What you said about dtd as well as iui though reminded me of a modern family scene where 2 gay guys [1 fair white & 1 latino] are talking about how they mixed their sperm so they will never know which one fathered their son, whilst holding a dark skinned dark haired baby

So good I said it twice

my gay friends were saying they've been told if they mix the sperm up then the sperm concentrate on attacking each other rather than getting to the egg. Can that really be true?!?!

Amazing double post there scarlett :) your story about the gay guys reminds me in turn of my name is earl, that used to have me in stitches. Brooking that you can enjoy a lovely AF-free holiday and it's compulsory to always have an frer 'for the drawer' - brooking law!