Fabulous Fecund Over Forties TTC: fertile,prolific,fruitful and productive. Hand over the bfp's and hand them over now!!

[hopefulgum]

Starting the new thread for you wonderful ladies before I fly off into the sunset.

May this thread bring us the happy news we've all been waiting for.

Hi hopeful, if you google zita west supplements there is quite a few websites selling her products. some with 20% discount. one is healthy peach.com and another is zitawest.nutrisun.co.uk/.Free.P&P/‎. Hope that helps.

Thanks mumalah. I bought from Healthy Peach. I would have bought them from Zita West as I wanted the Vitafem Boost too, but I couldn't get either credit card to work, so I gave up! I am guessing they are really just a multi vitamin, and will probably keep taking CO q 10, fish oil, royal jelly and the aspirin in the tww.

gum if it is any consolation the meringues (yes, plural) were a disappointment Bought from cheapo supermarket rather than M&S, and while the actual meringue was very similar they have very little cream in them . Still, I have the Cadbury's caramel biscuits to eye up and then eat this evening . How's the fast going?
Town was a nightmare - spent £200 on uniform which is far more than I'd accounted for...still, nearly there now, just things like PE bags that can be got after we get back from our week away (leaving this Friday). Also lost dds 2 and 3 in supermarket for about 10 mins (they had gone out) which was a horrible heart stopping moment!

Evening Ladies!

Thought I ought to get back on here and see if you can cheer me on with TTC. DS, our little Firefly, is now 13.5 months and doing v well. I have been holding off TTC as still BF and want to take same supps as before and didn't know how good it was for DS to have Royal Jelly with his milk. Also, had a busy first half of the year and it wouldn't have been great to be preggers then.

Diege what's this? Are you up-duffed again? Is this #6??!!

Lovely to see you Gum. Hope you're well.

I have only scanned the thread so will have to be rude and not name check all the lovely newbies on here.

Not sure what else to say at the mo, except, help. Am 44 on Thursday!

Hope to keep up with you all better. Is all down to DS though, The Ruler of The Household!!

UnMumsnetty hugs to all. FF xx

Hello Fireflies!How nice to see you. Wow, baby Fireflies is 13 months already!

I really should have had a baby by now, shouldn't I, but it just hasn't happened

It will be lovely to have you back on or thread.

deige, sorry the meringues were disappointing. I made it through the day on 500 calories and feel very virtuous, I hope I am losing some weight, surely it isn't all for nought. I did have some delicious (a tiny serve) of passionfruit greek yoghurt after dinner, so didn't feel too deprived.

Fireflies, remind which supplements you are taking (or going to take) for ttc?

Just catching up with everyone as had kind of lost this thread.

I had period type symptoms with each one of my pregnancies so no need to lose hope yet.

I had an abnormal smear result around 15 years back but have never had any problems since.

No bfp for me again as just finished another period. Was getting v frustrated with it all, even though I have only been trying just over 3 months. Onwards and upwards I guess!

On a positive note, dp proposed to me yesterday, on our 6 year anniversary of being together!!

Congratulations 2minds,how lovely ! When will the wedding be?

Hi Fireflies ,you had just had your baby around the time I joined the thread last year! Good to hear he's doing well. Have your periods returned to normal while you're bf? Mine never resumed until a couple of months after I finished bf.

You've had a stressful few days Diege ,after the tennis ball incident, injection,and then the disappearing DDs! It's an awful feeling when you can't see your child in a public place. DS did it to us on holidays in France when he was about 4, he thought it would be fun to hide in a shop in a clothes display, I think it was the longest 10 minutes of my life until he decided to pop back out.He thought it was very funny,took us a while to see the funny side!

gum your parents sound very difficult,bet you breathe a sigh of relief when they go home! Well done with sticking to your fasting, I think I'd struggle to stick to 500 cals a day.

We've just had a long weekend away,it was DD1's 14 birthday last week and she didn't think it would be the same without her big brother around so we booked a hotel near to where he's living while he does his internship and spent a few days with him. It's not too far from London so we got the train in a couple of days and did the touristy thing. It was very busy, but what would you expect in August I suppose! It was really nice just to have the whole family together again.

Great your results were good Morien ,you can relax a bit more now.

Hope you're ok JBrd, well as ok as you can be xxx

Hi to everyone else

Hello my lovely ladies....it feels like forever since I have been ttc along with the rest of you, however my man is back on Friday evening woohoo.
I randomly peed on one of the clearblue advanced sticks this morning and got a solid smiley so hopefully I'm back in the game.
Congrarulations to 2minds ..how lovely.

hopeful I agree, your parents sound difficult, and so ublike you by the sounds of it.

Welcome back to fireflies

Its getting close to when my little one would have been due (25/8).... Such an odd feeling, its a good job we are moving 2 days later, I should be really busy and not have to much time to ponder on it.

COngratulations 2minds, that is wonderful news.

Irish, that sounds like a lovely family holiday. It is so nice that your DD wanted to be with her DB for her birthday.

Calibee, great news that your DH will be back so soon.

Yes, irish and Calibee, my parents are not nice people. The more I think about it the more upset I feel about the way they treat me and my family. For years I have put up with it. They never, ever phone me (unless there's an emergency), I have to do all the keeping in touch. And if I don't for a while they make comments about how wrong it is that they don't know what is going on in my life or with my kids. It is so frustrating. They don't visit us for months, then they'll phone us the night before they are coming. They make no allowances for the fact that I work outside the home, they don't bring meals, help with anything domestic and show favouritism towards my brothers' children. They are quite wealthy but birthday gifts for the children are absolutely dismal. DS is turning 5 soon and my mother gave him his gift: A tee shirt and shorts (which were very ugly and two sizes too big) and a pack of playing cards Bless him, my sweet boy said thankyou then whispered in my ear,"I was hoping for a toy". It is so disappointing because I know they could do better if they took an interest in the kids, and would part with a tiny bit more of their precious money.

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to unburden on you. I just wish things could be different, that they could be decent grandparents to my children (and reasonable parents to me).

Well, my crazy week got a bit crazier yesterday when I took DS to the doctor and found out he definitely has conjunctivitis, so he can't go to school today. So I had to take the morning off work yesterday, take him to the Drs, then bring him home again for DS2 to babysit, then head back to work (and I live 20 kms from the drs and work). Today I will stay home with him, but will have to travel twice into town for pick ups for my daughters. I have taken tomorrow off too, but I am hoping DS's eyes will have cleared up from the drops, so I can take him to daycare and have a day to myself. DH is going away today for two nights, and I really need some time for me. I am feeling overwhelmed by work, sick kids and all the taxiing around.

It is nothing knew though is, millions of working parents the world over have to do this juggling act

As for ttc, I think it's CD7, so when DH gets back from his work trip, it will be getting close to ovulation, and hopefully we will be in the mood for some SWI I'll probably be too knackered

Thank you all. We have not set a date yet but will probably be looking at next summer sometime. It has given me something else to think about other than obsessing over whether I am still fertile or not!

I feel for you CaliBee. I remember dreading my due date after my miscarriage. It is tough but good you have lots to keep you busy and great that you will have your man back with you.

Hopefulgum - hope your DS is better soon. Know what you mean about being too knackered a lot of the time to do the deed, as that is often me too!

Hello! Many congrats 2minds, that's lovely news .
fireflies yes cheering you on with the pompoms here, and great to hear you are back on the ttc wagon . Yep, number 6 here, 30 weeks, and hoping against hope for that burst of energy you're supposed to get??!! Having a boy which evens things out, so 3 of each! Was a bit of a surprise, but do realise how lucky I am and am very much looking forward to seeing my little boy now
calibee great news about dp, but many sympathies with the looming due date xx
irish lovely to hear from you - break away sounds fab x
gum phew, sound like you do indeed need some time to yourself - nothing quite like lingering child illnesses to drain you. Ttc time imminent too - hopefully you can gather the strength and then collapse!
Well off for a week away to Whitby tomorrow. Looking forward to being there but the packing has me done in and still not finished it...Fantasy is that they would all go and leave me here so I can just do absolutely nothing, other than wee and answer the door to take-away deliveries .
So love to all and will check in in a week's time x

Hope you have a lovely holiday Diege and get a chance to relax. You should be able to get some good fish and chips in Whitby! Hope the weather is good for you.
Has your DS's conjunctivitis improved gum ? It can be a nightmare trying to get eyedrops in a small child, I don't envy you that! He sounds like a real little sweetie, how tactful was he talking to your parents! I know what you mean about running "Mum's taxi" ,hope you get some time to yourself to recharge your batteries for dtd when DH is home.
CaliBee, I've realized as it's now Friday your DH will be home already so I don't expect you'll be reading this for a while, you'll have some catching up to get down to with better things to do than come on Mumsnet!!! Hope the timing is right for you.
I thought it must be coming up to your due date, I remember it was going to be just after the royal baby arrived .It is such a difficult time but it's good your DH will be with you on the day xxx
2minds it will be lovely have a wedding to plan, a good distraction from those 2ww s every month!

Diege, have a lovely break in Whitby. I do hope it will be relaxing for you. I think you really deserve to put your feet up and read a good book, snooze, have all meals cooked for you etc Oh, and any chance of a day spa, massage, manicure etc???

I feel like I could do with a holiday too, but I just had one didn't I? How soon my relaxed air has vanished Never mind, not every week is like the one I have just had. It was unfortunate that DH had to be away when DD was involved in a big school music show (so rehearsals every day after school, plus night time performances) and when DS had conjunctivitis. That was healing well until yesterday, when I forgot to give the drops to the daycarer, and then forgot to do them when I got home with him. Then he fell asleep on the way back from dropping DD at the entertainment centre. So this morning he woke up with a yucky sticky eye! So I will have to be more vigilant now and do them for an extra day.

DH's father called yesterday in a flap because he couldn't contact my DH (who was in a conference) because he needs him to drive him (FIL) to the hospital on Monday for an operation, and drive him back home the following day. The operation is in the city where DH is now, so he'll have to drive 400 km home today, then possibly turn around tomorrow (I hope it won't be until Monday morning) and drive those same 400kms again. Poor thing.

It can't be helped. His father has gotten quite unwell and frail over the last couple of years, and his mother had a stroke at Christmas time and is still recovering, so DH is happy to help. But I am a little disappointed as we are coming up to ovulation Last month I Oed at day 12, if I do O at day 12 I'll at least get a shot at it tonight at day 10, but if I ovulate day 13 or 14 it won't be so great ( he will be away the nights of (possibly) day 11 and 12. I have had twinges, so I don't think I'll have a later ovulation like I have done some months.Hopefully he won't leave til Monday morning, and we'll have a go at it Sunday night or Monday morning

Oh well, I cannot control the situation, I just have to go with it and hope for the best possible chance. This afternoon I will do an opk and see how it is looking. What's the bet the opk will be positive on the night he's away?

Despite lots of car trips yesterday, I did take the day off work and did get a little time to myself. After dropping the kids at school I went to the pool and did 50 laps I am so pleased with myself. I am getting very addicted to it, can't wait to get into the pool, and feel it is a sort of meditation, with the bonus of being good exercise.

If you have kept reading this post, then you deserve and a

I am so glad I have mumsnet friends to unload on, it really does help with my stress levels

Evening all

Gum I am keeping everything crossed for you that you will have that baby. Well done on doing the fast day(s). I have made some forays into dieting but am not v committed at the mo!! The supplements I took are the ones on Fertility Friend: www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=226042.750 . See the first posting on 31/01/10. There was one supplement she lists which I didn?t take, but can?t remember off-hand which it was. I think Lysine. I need to review the list myself and work out what I can and cannot take while still BF The Rascal. Sorry to hear about your shitty family and troubles with FIL. Hope you get a chance to DTD. As for your family ? it?s such a shame how crap they are, but best to concentrate on your own lovely brood. Though I find it difficult to take such advice. My family are a totally PITA and I wish I could take my own advice and stop worrying about them and get on with my own life without seeking their approval.

Hi 2minds. Nice to meet you. Sorry about to hear AF has put in an appearance, but huge congrats on proposal.

Hello again Irish. AF returned in Feb this year, so 8 months after DS was born. (And OMG, how I enjoyed the best part of two years period free!!) Was BF then, but not exclusively so.

Calibee I hope you were able to make the most of your Clearblue smiley. Thinking of you at this difficult time too.

Diege Hope you are having a good time in Whitby. Great news on #6, and lovely to have a boy on the way.

I need to knuckle down and read that supps list. I don?t know why I find it so difficult to focus on it. (well, I do really, I am shagged out and plain shagged off at the moment. Scuse the language ). BTW, did you read the article in Red magazine recently? The premise was a book which has been published recently which suggests that declining fertility with increasing female age is a myth. I?ll have to dig it out and re-read it, but was interested to note that even The Lister hospital is recommending taking CoQ10 these days. The other main point I got from the article was that it?s less about needing or being able to improve egg quality, but more that the environment that the eggs develop in needs be conducive to maturing eggs. So, antioxidants etc are helpful. Anyway, basically, it confirmed a lot of the stuff which is on the Fertility Friends website. There?s a bit on the article here, but not much of interest: www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/blogs/jean-twenge-dismisses-fertility-timebomb

Off to check lottery numbers. When I cut my birthday cake on Thurs I wished for something along those lines....

Thanks for that supplement link Fireflies. I actually have a print out of it which I must have printed out when you told us about it before

I think I have most of those sups in my pantry. I have been very slack taking them, but after reading your post I have been reminded how important it is to have all those vitamins, antioxidants etc in your system to give the egg the best chance.

I, too, believe that the environment for the developing egg is very important. So I am going to make a better effort to take my supplements. I have just been on the fertility friend website and a lady of 47 has got a bfp! However it is early days and she's had many losses, I hope this one can be her THB. Sadly,I do think it is true that there's a higher chance of miscarriage as we get older, however it doesn't mean every pregnancy will be miscarried. So I can hold onto that hope. I have decided that my latest goal is to either be pregnant by Christmas (obviously I have absolutely no control over that) or 10 kilos lighter. So either way I will be happy.

My DH got home last night and we managed to DTD. I plan to get another chance at it tonight as he is going away tomorrow. Luckily it is only for one night, so I suppose it won't make a huge difference to TTC.LAst night's opk was quite light, so it doesn't seem that ovulation is imminent, but then again I may get a positive today. We shall see.

I am going to read the article you linked now.

I had a quick look around the internet, and here is an article written by Jean Twenge. It is quite encouraging.

Fingers crossed that last night was the night, Gum. Thanks for the link. Twenge is the one behind the Red article. BTW, 'Angelbump', who put together the Fertility Friend stuff had problems with MC, so her 'protocol' is designed for that also. I remember B6 as being important, and that you can take a huge amount of it!! I'd found her post after the first IVF round failure. Our embryos were of excellent quality but failed to implant so I was spurred on by that too.

Well, I am still "hopeful" here. DH has just driven off to take FIL to hospital, but I got lucky (or he did) again last night, so if I ovulate today or tomorrow, I guess timing is good, and I'll jump him again when he gets back from the city tomorrow night. I did an opk last night and it looked even less positive than the night before, but I haven't missed the surge as my temperatures are still low. Who knows, maybe the timing will all turn out to be perfect in the end? I will do another opk tonight to see how things look.

For the first time in ages I actually had three glasses of wine with a friend yesterday. It was good to have a chat and unwind a bit. I think I may have needed it. I usually keep alcohol consumption very low as I am ttc. But after years of doing it I am beginning to wonder if I should relax on that a bit. I don't know, some days I think all my hard work with food,supplements, not taking drugs (as in over the counter pain-killers),not drinking etc etc is partly causing stress and I should let it go. As well as the guilt for drinking too much caffeine But then I think, if I am going to have a go at this, I have to do my best because the odds are so poor for me, I have to be good.

Anyway, today is a fast day, so I will probably have a bit too much caffeine, but I will only eat nutrient dense foods, will take my supplements (when I eat) and will swim laps. So I guess it is falling in favour of "doing the right thing" for ttc.

calibee, how is everything going for you? I know how awful it is with looming due dates, but I am glad your DH is there with you. I am sure his cuddles will help.

I hope everyone else is ok.
Check in and let us know.

Thank you for all the congrats.

I haven't been so good on the avoiding alcohol recently as have spent the week celebrating our engagement! Going to try to be good now though.

Just back from a nice weekend in London. Met a nice group of women while out on Saturday, one of whom had 10 children & looked amazing! She kept asking if we were going to have a child together & that we must try. We told her we were leaving it to fate and left it at that, but it can be tough when people keep encouraging you to have a baby at a time you have been trying for a while. DP has a couple of weeks off work starting tomorrow so at least we may have a chance to try a little more this month.

2minds congratulations for your engagement!
calibee as the 22th will be the first anniversary from my baby tfmr, I guess how you're feeling with due date approaching....I hope finally having your hubby with you will help..
I'm coping better then expected, especially considering af hit me a few days ago and next cycle there won't be any ttc because I'll be on holiday without dp..we already had one week together and with dd in switzerland/france where I lived for one year as a kid..we also met one schoolmate of mine whom I hadn't seen for about 20 yrs..that was very beautiful..there are still so many things to appreciate in life, aren't there? On

2minds congratulations, that is lovely, happy news

gum Good for you to try and get the dtd into a really small window of opportunity! No one can say that you're not trying everything possible, I do admire your stamina!
Hope you don't mind me saying, but I'm not sure I agree with this fasting diet of yours... In my experience, these types of diet only make your body go into starvation mode, making it even more difficult to lose weight. Probably not what you want to hear, sorry! But I have tried so many different diets, and the bottom line for me now is - watch what I eat and especially how much, and to try to be as active as possible. Which I think you are, blimey, 50 laps in the pool?! I'd be dead

calibee Hope you are enjoying having your DH with you, how long is he staying (he might have already left again, sorry if I get the dates wrong). Due dates are so difficult - I had the one for my 1st mc at the end of July, just when the world was reeling with the news of Royal baby George. There was no escape, and I have to admit that I cried while watching the TV news of Will & Kate leaving the hospital with their new son (only to then be appalled at how they strapped him into the car seat!). It's tough, and I hope that you'll get plenty of distraction with your move. hugs

Diege Have a lovely and relaxing holiday!

It looks as if things might resolve themselves for me soon. My hope for a natural miscarriage has not been fulfilled, and after speaking to the EPU again today to discuss my options, I have now decided to go for the medical management. I am just so tired and fed up with waiting, I want it over and done with. They are reluctant to do the surgery because of the size of my sac, as well as timing (Bank holiday coming up, difficult to fit me in).
I'm off work this week as well, I couldn't face going in and risking it all kicking off while I'm there anymore (it was extremely stressful going to the loo every time last week, I was so worried that I'd pass the sac) - even though it was a good distraction!
I feel strangely relieved, now that I've taken the decision, at least I know now what's going to happen and when. And they'll be able to take everything off me immediately to get it analysed (I qualify for tests now to investigate why I keep having mcs).
So all in all, not what I wanted for my ideal scenario, but given the circumstances, I guess it's second best.

I really don't know where I'll go from here. Will I be able to face another round of ttc? I still would love a sibling for DS. And for myself - I would love another opportunity to bring this new person into the world and watch it grow and develop. DS is so lovely and gorgeous (well, at the moment), and I want another opportunity to experience this! Sounds all soppy and gooey, but I'm an emotional mess at the moment .

Sorry for the essay!

Jbrd Please don?t apologise for the essay ? your post was pretty succinct compared to some of mine. Come and vent whenever you need. I am not surprised you are en emotional mess at the moment. Any woman would be in your circumstances. Are you getting good support in RL? It does sound good that you can get some answers now. I?m assuming from what you say that DS is your only child at the mo. I don?t want my DS to be an only child. I am trying to brace myself mentally for him to be our only child though. Secondary infertility can be even more torturous than primary as support in RL can be lacking (well you have the one, can?t you be happy with him, etc etc.)

Have been looking some more at the Fertility Friends thread and collating more info from there so going to digest that and start stocking up on supps as long as I think they will be ok while BF. I guess there?s a long enough gap btwn morning feeds and bedtime. About 7 hours to digest! Time to ditch the evening glass of wine too!! I keep getting a last, good bottle of fizz to round it off and then cave and get more.

I can?t write any more if I wanted on this post, as DS wants me to sit with my face right up to the TV too while Night Garden is on!

jbrd - sorry I am posting under a different name from what I would do normally on this thread. But I just want to ask if you have had another scan, since the one at 7+4? I only ask because I had a scan at 7+3, known dates etc and sac measuring less than 5 weeks, empty etc. was told it was wrong dates or miscarriage. Went back 11 days later and baby fine, correct size for dates etc, and went on to be normal pregnancy with my daughter. I am sorry if the miscarriage has been confirmed, as having multiple miscarriages myself, I know how hard it is to cope with. But I just wanted to suggest you get a second scan before taking medical management. I am sorry for interfering if a sad loss has been confirmed already.

Morning Ladies.

Jbrd, I do understand your desire to have the miscarriage complete. I hope the medical management goes well (as well as can be expected). I wish now that I had gone for that option for my second miscarriage instead of the surgical option as I do worry it may have caused scarring.

As for the fasting - I totally agree with you - I have always thought that starving diets were a bad idea, but from all the scientific and anecdotal evidence, I think the fasting is very different as you are not starving the rest of the time - just two days a week. It is what our ancestors did - it was feast and famine- and our bodies are adapted to function best like that. Also, the medical evidence for lowering cholesterol, blood sugar etc makes me think it is a good idea. Of course if (when) I get pregnant I plan to eat a good balanced diet without any fasting. Roll on BFP!

I am so pleased to report that I still haven't had a positive opk. DH will be home tonight. I had a very low temperature this morning, so I think I may ovulate tomorrow or the next day, so I will do another opk tonight, and also seduce DH. I hope he isn't too tired from all the driving, but I bet he'll need some relaxation From all accounts, his father's surgery went well, but we don't know yet how bad the skin cancer is,and if it has spread.

Waving to willitbe - I wish I could work out who you used to be

mozzamummy, your holiday to Switzerland sounds lovely.

Hello everyone else. I must dash, have to get the brood ready for school and myself for work without DH to help...oh wait, that's the same as every day

Willitbe - yes, I did have another follow-up scan last week, when I should have been nearly 9 weeks, and the results were exactly the same. The EPU is extremely careful with these things, they did not even refer to it as miscarriage, that term only started to be used once I discussed management options with them.
Just been in to sign the consent form and take the first rounds of meds. Then back in on Thursday (unless things happen in the meantime). Quite resigned to it all now, sigh. Trying to take my mind off things by doing some baking and garden work. Oh, and getting my eyebrows threaded later