Fabulous Fecund Over Forties TTC: fertile,prolific,fruitful and productive. Hand over the bfp's and hand them over now!!

[hopefulgum]

Starting the new thread for you wonderful ladies before I fly off into the sunset.

May this thread bring us the happy news we've all been waiting for.

Wow Morien, I can't believe you are already 16+4. I am glad all is well.

I hope al th eother preggo ladies are well too. Sparkly Saphire, do you have any news for us?

Calibee, is your DH still on leave (That's probably why we haven't heard from you

Well, as well as looking after DS all day I have felt quite lousy myself. I am drop dead tired, but I had a reasonable night's sleep. I hope I feel more energetic tomorrow when I am at work. I have literally been completely useless all day.

Thank you for the welcome!

Congratulations on your pregnancies Morien and Isabeller, did it take you very long to get there?
I get very sick when I'm pregnant too, silly that I can't wait for that feeling now!

Your Dad is Italian then Gum? We went to Italy (my first time) this year. I absolutely loved it. It's the first place I've been that I want to go back to. Usually I want to try somewhere new when we can actually afford to go abroad, but I really want to go back to Italy. We stayed in an old farmhouse in the mountains near Lucca, it was stunningly beautiful.

Mozzarella I'm so sorry you have lost your baby girl.

Fireflies what is SWI/SWOI?

Gum I have just started taking- vit c, co-enzyme Q10, evening primrose oil (up to ovulation), zinc, vit b6, b complex, selenium and iron. I think I may get the Pregnacare conception too. DH is rolling his eyes at my stash, he doesn't believe in supplements!

My cycle is strange this month. I am crossing my fingers that I ovulated on Day 10 and had a fallback rise. FF says with a dotted line that I ovulated on day 14. If it was day 10 then my LP was 10 days and I could still be said to be spotting, albeit a bit heavily. Probably wishful thinking though. I've had a possible fallback rise before though on month 2, very similar to this month. I wondered if it could possibly be to do with which ovary is producing? I know they had to do a repair on the right one when the removed my tube, they said it would make no difference but I think they were on damage control by then.

DH thinks perhaps I should look into what went wrong with my diagnosis. I should have had a laparotomy much sooner which could have avoided my tube loss. I don't know if I want to open that can of worms...

Ogden Shagging with/without intent. Though one of the more regular threadees might be able to correct me as I think I might have the initials for the second bit wrong. The supps you are taking are v similar to the list I had. 'Angelbump' recommended taking those on top of Pregnacare. I had an attaché case full!!! DH took his fair share too.

Which reminds me - male infertility increases with age, but is not so well know about. Is worth bearing in mind. My DH certainly had to make lifestyle changes before DS was conceived.

Hi Morien. Nice to meet you.

Good to see we are all getting supp'd up.

Hi all, just popping in quickly. Its my due date today,but no sign of anything & I don't have much faith in due dates anyway. I'm having a sweep tomorrow, but still think I'll need induction on Monday, but hoping not. I'll try & catch up later from laptop not phone,which I'm on now, if I get chance.

Ogden I got my first BFP in the first month of ttc last year, followed by MMC at 11 weeks in early Aug. Started ttc again immediately, but it took quite a few months to get my cycle back on track. Strangely enough, my EDD is only a few days off the EDD from my MMC. It has to be said, though, that my idea of ttc was very low key - no supplements other than pregnancy vitamins with folic acid, no temping, no OPKs ( and irregular cycles!) Lots of DTD though In fact we'd just been told we were unlikely to conceive naturally, and were about to start fertility treatment when I got my BFP

Hello everybody and thanks for your thoughts , gum I'm in the north on the adriatic sea, the sea and beaches are nothing exceptional but this place is very children-friendly with lots of playgrounds on the seaside and my family has a beautiful house built in, the thirties with a beautiful garden..I spent here lots of holidays as a kid..

morien happy to hear from you! sparkly waiting for the big news and the baby name!!
I'm a bit anxious for the new work which is starting soon..I know I'll miss my colleagues, but I really hope I will enjoy teaching ..anyway I'm happy to have a change in life..
I also bought supplements online, it's a mix of coQ10 and vitamins..I couldn't take more then a pill a day because I would mess them all, obviously I forgot to bring them here..I bought something also for dp (zinc, vitamins, taurine) but he doesn't want to take them..I wonder wether after 7-8 months of trying he should also get checked..what do you think? He's absolutely reluctant..

Ogden I don't know if it helps to know, but if you have both ovaries, having only one fallopian tube doesn't reduce your chance of conceiving by 50% (as I was told by a consultant). There are receptors in the uterus and fallopian tube, so even if you ovulate on the 'wrong' side there is still a good chance that the egg will make it into the uterus. I found a great article on this two years ago but can't find it for the moment. There is something on the ectopic.org.uk website if you're interested.

Not sure about pursuing your HP re mis-diagnosis as I don't know your full story, but it is rife in the fertility industry. I was thrown off the TTC track with misdiagnoses of endometriosis, PCOS and a rare form of cancer!

Good luck Sparkling. Nice to have another nearly-grad on the thread.

Mozzarella it would probably be a good idea to get your chap's swimmers checked. We found though that the NHS declared DH's to be ok, whereas fertility clinic suggested it was not so good. The crunch was first round of IVF which had to be ICSI. That shocked DH into doing more. And it cost £1K more!!

Not getting v far on my research on BF and the full list of supps, but feel positive taking Pregnacare again and last night DH proved to be a bit of a hero getting DS off to sleep with just a bottle of manky milk. (It's manky because it's a mix of oat milk, oat cream and prescription formula. The first two are pretty paletable, the second stinks and tastes of gravy so no wonder it's difficult to get him to drink it).

Have a good evening all. ff xx

Hello! Back from hols, plus add-on stay over night at Blackpool 'Pleasure' Beach . Look forward to reading through and catching up - you've been a chatty lot

Hello everybody and thanks for your thoughts , gum I'm in the north on the adriatic sea, the sea and beaches are nothing exceptional but this place is very children-friendly with lots of playgrounds on the seaside and my family has a beautiful house built in, the thirties with a beautiful garden..I spent here lots of holidays as a kid..

morien happy to hear from you! sparkly waiting for the big news and the baby name!!
I'm a bit anxious for the new work which is starting soon..I know I'll miss my colleagues, but I really hope I will enjoy teaching ..anyway I'm happy to have a change in life..
I also bought supplements online, it's a mix of coQ10 and vitamins..I couldn't take more then a pill a day because I would mess them all, obviously I forgot to bring them here..I bought something also for dp (zinc, vitamins, taurine) but he doesn't want to take them..I wonder wether after 7-8 months of trying he should also get checked..what do you think? He's absolutely reluctant..

Sorry again my tricky phone..posted twice

Hello everyone! Thanks for thinking about me, it's much appreciated! I've taken a bit of a break from MN, just reading, but not posting... Been drifting a bit in the last weeks, dealing with the mc and its fallout.

mozza Your little girl's anniversary must have been a tough day, I hope you are managing to get back to a more 'normal' life now (whatever that is). Grief can come in many different ways, and even though we learn how to live with it on a day-to-day basis, it can re-surface violently at any time. I hope that you and your DP can support each other through this. I think we often forget how much men can be affected by losing a baby...

sparkly Happy due date Hope things get moving for you soon! That came around really quickly, blimey.
Same for Morien, how can you be almost 17 weeks already?!

gum Hope you'll all get over your illnesses soon. It's so annoying when it's just one thing after another, you never seem to get a break from feeling poorly.

Hello to the newbies! May your stay on this thread be short

I'm doing OK - turns out that I didn't have to have the whole course of medical management after all. I reacted really strongly to the first round of meds they gave me last Tuesday, the tablet that is meant as a 'preparation', softening the cervix etc. The plan was to go into hospital then on Thursday for the pessary, staying for the day to complete the miscarriage. But after 2 very uncomfortable days (and especially nights!) with lots of paracetamol, I passed a big piece of tissue on Thursday morning. I took it with me into hospital, and they confirmed what I had suspected, it was the sac. Then they sent me straight back home again.
I can't say how relieved I was that I didn't have to do the medical treatment after all, I had been dreading it.
I've been recovering really well since then, although I seem to have managed to pick up an infection - currently on antibiotics, which seem to be doing the trick.

The kind GP actually wrote me a sick note for the whole week, but I am seriously thinking about going back to work tomorrow... As nice as it is being at home, but I am dreading the return to reality a bit and would like it to be over and done with... Been living in a bit of a bubble since the bad news of the mc.
On the other hand, it's lovely just sitting in the garden and reading, so relaxing and soothing for my prickly state of nerves... It's pretty much all I did today - after I drove my mum to the airport. She's been visiting since Friday, and could not have picked a worse time, the poor thing. I'm ashamed to say that I was absolutely horrible to her She means so well, but she drives me crazy. Which I struggle with at the best of times, but with the mc to deal with as well - very bad combination. I think she was really looking forward to going home . I cringe when I think about how awful I was [guilty emoticon]. Why do relationships with parents have to be so difficult?!

Jbrd sorry to hear you're having such a rough time, though good to hear that you're recovering well. Take it easy. Don't go back to work before you have to though. Take the time to recover properly and with a sick note!!

I'm sure your Mum understands. I have similar scenarios with mine. If you think she would appreciate it, can you send her some flowers or just a card reminding her that you love her really??! I agree, relationships with parents and other family members can be wrought with difficulties, and I don't know about you, they seem to get worse as we get older.

Night all. FF xx

Jbrd, I feel for you. Yes, relationships with parents can be difficult. I know mine is (but I know that ours is pretty dysfunctional). I couldn't have coped having my mum around when I was going through the miscarriage and emotional aftermath. In fact my parents have no idea that I have miscarried.

Hopefully the next time you see your mum, you can have a better visit. I think your behaviour is completely acceptable under the circumstances and I am sure your mum understands. I think reading in the garden for a few more days wouldn't be a bad thing. I understand that getting back to work means "getting back to normal", but be kind to yourself, it is a tough journey, and emotionally you are probably still a bit raw.

I am glad you didn't need the medical management in the end. Will they test what you passed (sorry, don't know how to phrase it)? Having the testing done really helped me to understand that the baby wasn't well enough to continue growing. Of course it didn't make me feel good about any of it, I still felt angry and cheated, but it helped me understand that it wasn't something I could have avoided.

Mozzamummy, how lovely to have a beautiful home on the coast to holiday in.

Nice to hear from you Sparkly, can't wait for the news of your new baby.

Welcome home Diege, looking forward to hearing all about your holiday.

Fireflies, are you trying to wean baby fireflies? His concoction sounded rather unappetising Are you concerned about falling pregnant while breastfeeding? I was, but I did fall pregnant while bf Charlie. However after I miscarried (I stupidly thought it may have contributed)I weaned him. I did find the BFing really difficult in the first trimester. My nipples were so sensitive - that's how I knew I was pregnant.

I am feeling that way at the moment actually, though no longer breastfeeding (obviously). But my nipples are so sore and it was almost unbearable to have DH touch them He also commented on them being really "hot" (and he meant temperature). Yesterday I felt so tired, I really do wonder. I know it is way too early for symptoms, but I feel like I could be pregnant.I know, I say this far too often for it to have any weight. Just ignore me.... Still have to wait a few more days to test anyway.

That's what I say every cycle until I get to 9DPO and just can't help myself...

Hi everyone, I was here last year in Sep when I had a mc at almost 11 weeks having fallen pregnant unexpectedly at 41. Despite not having planned the pregnancy I found myself wanting to try again to replace the loss. DH (reluctantly) agreed, to keep me happy I think; he is 11 years older than me and we have two DDs already.

Anyway, finally got another BFP in June but it seems the same has happened again, at exactly the same point in the pregnancy. Have had spotting throughout then heavy bleeding this week at almost 11 weeks. Phoned EPU who said just to come in for my 12 week scan as planned on Monday.

I haven't posted for a long time as I found it made me even more obsessive about TTC but have kept up with all your news - Congrats to Morien, Diege and Sparkly and others with good news. Was gutted to read your updates JBrd, I was due in March too - hope you're doing OK. Always look forward to your posts Gum every morning. Hello to everyone else too.

My dilemma now is whether to give this another go or just to accept that it was not meant to be. DH wants us to move on and accept it, but I keep changing my mind. My head tells me that there are so many negatives - our ages (DH is 53, I am 42) and the implications of this in terms of health risks, finances, retirement plans and energy levels - let alone the fact that there is a real chance that this too would end in mc. Then there is the fact that my DDs, at 7 and 10, are becoming more independent and there would be a huge age gap between them and any baby, meaning the new addition would almost be like an only child. It would mean that there would be less money and attention to spend on the girls and they would miss out on travel and other experiences.

Despite all this, my heart still longs for another and it's hard to revise this vision of the future that I longingly imagined. Time is running out and I already regret not trying for DC3 earlier, I don't want to look back in years to come and regret not giving it one last chance. I do try to analyse this longing - is it because the clock is ticking that I feel such a pressure to have another; is it a way of denying my children are growing up and will leave me one day; or is it just denying the inevitable fact of the menopause and growing old.

Sorry for rambling, but it is quite cathartic as I can't really talk to anyone in RL, including DH as he just doesn't really get it. So to sum up, I might be joining you again, I might not - how's that for decisive action .

Gum there are two issues with BF DS now. My main concern is that some of the conception supplements may not be good for him to consume via my milk. Also he was waking up to five times a night and BF was the only way to get him back to sleep. I think we are slowly getting there. It?s been difficult ? intensive teething and a cows milk allergy have made it difficult hence the unappealing cocktail!! If DH can get him off to sleep again without me and it becomes a regular thing, then I can take a load of supps in the evening and digest them overnight. I think the two remaining daytime feeds are going to be more difficult to drop. I would BF while preggers, though I am exhausted enough as it is, so I doubt if I would have the stamina to do so. I'd probably have to spend 9 months on the sofa!!

I hope your hot nips are a good sign!!

Hi Woolly. Hoping you're wrong about the MC. You and your DH are similar ages to me and my DH (I'm 3 years older than you and DH 3 years younger than you.) The age gap btwn us and DS really worries me. The finance issues is a big worry to me too. I'm sure you'll find a way through it all.

Really have to apply myself to some packing now. Having a long w/e in Edinburgh. Really looking forward to it. Just wish the bags would pack themselves!!

Mozza, your baby girl's anniversary must have been so hard, I have been thinking of you.

JBrd, I'm sorry you had a hard time with your mum, I know I wouldn't have coped with mine around after my m/c, I'm sure she'll understand how hard this is for you. What a relief to avoid the full medical management, but please don't go back to work before you feel ready.

Woolly, you sound like you're having a difficult time, I'm so sorry you've had another m/c. I hope you can reach a decision you & your DH are both comfortable with regarding TTC.

I'm sorry to see so many of you having DFs/FILs with health problems, and hope they are resolved soon. As DH and I both lost our DFs many years ago, it's our DMs we have to worry about - I think they can both be a bit difficult in different way as they've only had themselves to please for so many years. They're both in reasonable health at the moment, so long may that continue.

Diege, I hope Whitby was lovely and you got some rest.

Good luck for this month gum, and I hope your DS is back to full health soon, it sounds like a bad run. Both DH and DD have colds - this definitely not the time for me to have one.

Welcome ogden, hi fireflies, and hello to all. DD and DH are out for a bit, I suppose I'd better go and fill in my birth plan - I expect to all be irrelevant if I'm induced which is why I haven't done it before.

Fireflies I didn't know that, thank you- it gives me a little more hope. I don't know if I have the energy to pursue anything regarding my treatment aswell as ttc, an apology from them for the dismissiveness would be nice though!
Good luck with the weaning, not easy even without an allergy. Have a lovely w/e!

JBrd I'm sorry for your loss. Family are so awkward sometimes. After my second miscarriage my DM (who I usually get on well with) asked if I was sure I had ever been pregnant! I hope you manage to take some time for yourself before you have to return to work.

Gum I find it hard to hold off on the testing too, today even though I am spotting heavily (not sure if I should actually count this as AF), I was feeling very nauseous and have been a little for a few days. I ended up testing. And it was negative. And then I felt a bit silly again.

woolly our situations are rather similar and I have spent the last two years hoping it would just happen, two years I really wish I hadn't wasted. I was frightened off by my miscarriages a few years ago, and I too struggle to analyse my reasons. My Mum says it's just something a lot of women live with, you always want more, but I'm not so sure- I know most of my friends have definitely decided no more for them with no regrets. I have decided I am going to speak to my GP though, I'm hoping she will check my progesterone. So many on here have said spotting and early miscarriage can be down to low progesterone. I'm making an appt tomorrow. I hope your scan on Monday brings good news. I bled heavily early in one of my pregnancies but baby stayed put!

Good morning ladies.

Hello woolly, I remember you. It is good to see you because so many of our regulars are regular for a while and then they disappear and I always wonder what happened to them. I am really sorry to hear that you may be miscarrying again. Gosh, it is so darn hard trying for a baby after 40. Some women get pregnant easily and have easy pregnancies and healthy babies (I did at 41 yrs and 9 months), but then some of us have to deal with the heartbreak of hope and loss, and sometimes over and over again.

I too think of all the things you mentioned. My DS is now 5. Why would I want to start over again? When I embarked on this ttc journey I just wanted to give him a sibling close in age because his nearest sibling is 8 years older. And I was naive enough to believe that with my proven fertility record (5 kids, all easily conceived, no miscarriages) I would give my DS a sibling before he was 4. How wrong I was. And as time has passed I know that it isn't just about giving him a sibling, it is also about what I dearly want, and that is to have one last baby. I absolutely love having babies and kids (clearly, as I chose to have all 5 of mine), I really feel one last child will complete my family and would be good for all of us, not just DS.

But after trying for so long, I ask myself why I would continue to do this, when: there's a very good possibility of more heartache - miscarriage, or worse, a baby with health issues,or not compatible with life; I am 46, almost 47 and the truth is, my 5 year makes me tired so how on earth do I expect I will cope with a baby/toddler at this age? My job is going really well, DS is in full-time school next year, so we'll have two decent wages and no childcare fees - the best off financially we've ever been; almost all my friends (bar the ones on this thread ) have moved on from the baby stage, most have grown up kids, and are doing all sorts of fun stuff without kids (though to be honest that doesn't bother me much, it does bother DH); and, a BIG factor, my DH doesn't really want a baby, he wanted to move on before we had DS, so another won't be a source of joy for him (though he'd be a great dad no matter what);lastly (that I can think of right now) TTC month after month, year after year can get pretty tedious, and in my case a bit addictive - I find it so hard to let it go- which in some ways might just be a force of habit, but I really think it is because I don't want to give it up. It is also a maddening rollercoaster of emotions. Most of the time I am just fine, but the tww can be a bit crazy. Despite continuously saying I won't get my hopes up, I do, every month, and then when the test is fucking negative,yet again, I feel shit for a couple of hours and just pretend everything is alright. And I do all of it without mentioning a single skerrick of information to my DH. I guess if I stopped ttc I would also save myself a pretty penny on all things ttc related: opks,preg tests,supplements. I could start spending that money on something useful like a gym membership or a Thermo mix

But here's the thing- I just want to carry another child for 9 months, give birth and see the look on the faces of my children when they hold the baby for the first time. There's just nothing better than that, so I am still plugging away, month after month, year after year, and the truth is I don't think I will give up until I no longer have periods. My DH might get one hell of a shock when at 50 I get pregnant with a THB and he's 56 !! I still don't think that is too old for a man.

BTW, I got a BFN at 9 dpo this morning. I know it is early, but the latest I have ever had a BFP was 10 dpo. All the others were at 9 DPO.

Fireflies, I hope you have a lovely weekend in Edinburgh. I would so love to visit that city. But the way things are going I will have spent our last dollar on pregnancy tests and we'll be eighty and still not have travelled to Europe !

Ogdennash, crossed posts. Sorry about your BFN. Don't feel silly, many pregnancies start with spotting. I think it is a very good idea to get you progesterone checked. It might just be the magic bullet you need

Hello Gum (and everyone else). I've lurked here for a couple of years but have only posted two or three times. I could have written your post above myself! Ginger ninja is six and a half now. We decided she would be enough, I saw the doc about getting sterilised, then I realised I wanted one last shot at it. Maybe just to feel a baby in my arms again, do things differently, give DD a sibling, I dont know. Im 42 in Jan and having looked at the risks DH said no way. By March and DDs sixth birthday I could have begged, borrowed or stolen a baby. We went on holiday in June and we had a great time with Dd and I had a lightbulb moment. I dont want another baby, my life is good, DD is everything to me. It just felt that everything was slipping out of my control. I was getting older, DD was growing up and didnt need me as much, my body wouldnt do things twenty year olds take for granted! What Im trying to say is I understand the overwheming need for another baby. Its something you should never have to justify either. Will go back to lurking but await news of all your BFPs.

Gum, I think while there's still a chance it might happen it's hard to give up on that dream. I just find the uncertainty so frustrating - if I knew that this was a non-starter I would find a way of coming to terms with that but there's always that possibility that it might happen, hence the constant roller-coaster of hope and disappointment.

Rowgtfc72, I think it's great that you realized you were happy and took back the control of your life - that's what I feel is missing at the moment - that I'm letting fate control my life rather than making a conscious decision.

I've just been reading some of the threads about parenting sleepless babies and tantrumming toddlers in the hope that I will feel better about (probably) never having to do it again. Then I remember the smell of a newborn's head and I'm back to square one...

rowgtfc72, thanks for popping in. It is great that you feel that way, I often wish I could feel the same way. I read on another site, "when there's a baby shaped hole in your heart there's only one thing that can fill it", and that's how I feel.

However, I am intelligent enough to understand that not everyone has the holes in their heart (whatever shape they may take) filled, and I may never have this gap filled.

But as long as I can, I will keep at it. And if I get an epiphany and suddenly realise that it is better not to embark on a new baby, then I will be grateful for that release.

Incidentally, I went out for dinner last night with a friend for her birthday and she invited her other friend who is 39 weeks pregnant. So, all evening the talk was about pregnancy, babies, birth. I am pleased that I was able to happily chat about it without feeling at all sad. I was just really pleased for her, and in some ways, glad she was one carrying the huge bump around (which looked exhausting!). But as I sat there with her, I did often think,"maybe that will be me in 9 -12 months time".

I doubt it will be me in 9 months time. Another clear BFN this morning. I am okay with it. I watched the last episode of Broadchurch when I got up and had a solid good cry and counted all my blessings.

Right, off to the farmer's market, then a catch up with my little sister.

Have a lovely day everyone

Gum, I hope I didnt come across as insensitive. I was chatting to a lady at dds swimming who had her last baby at 46. All natural, no help. Its never game over till your out of the game, and from the way you post your still very much in the game. Theres nothing to say it wont be you in 12 months time. (doesnt quite say what I mean to say but hope you get the drift)

Hey there. I think I might just join you ladies. I'm 42 at the end of next month and just about at TTC stage from next week. I had a mmc at 9 weeks in July which was managed by ERPC. I had a little boy last year and a late miscarriage in 2010 when we lost two little boys at 20 weeks. So here I am ready to start all over again. I never actually worried about ever getting pregnant so we just never started until I was 38 and we fell with the boys after just 4 months, 6 months with DS and just one month this year. Feeling scared and more than a little depressed to be in this situation but hey here goes. If I don't try we'll never know and I don't want to reach 50 and realise that I made a mistake by not trying. Wish me luck and happy (really?!) TTC everyone else. x

Welcome Horseygirl. So sorry about your losses. I hope you will have your THB soon. It seems you fall pregnant quite easily, so you may not have to wait too long.

Row, don't worry I didn't think you were insensitive at all. I admire anyone who has been through this journey and is able to stop when they've have enough or realise that it isn't what they want anymore. Unfortunately, I seem to come quite close to that decision, but then can't quite follow through

Anyway, this cycle is a bust, as my temperature has slid downwards and a clear BFN this morning. No more testing this cycle. AF will be here in the next couple of days I'd say.

My Zita West supps arrived a few days ago and I've been taking them religiously three times a day. Oh my goodness, my wee is bright green!I bet there's some sort of colouring agent in there just to make us think they must be super fantastic because our wee is green! I have run out of COq10 (which seems to be the latest one that fertility doctors are prescribing for over 40's) so I am patiently waiting for the next lot of super potent ubiquinol (supposed to be more easily absorbed by the body) to arrive.

Well, I have had quite a rollercoaster of a weekend. Yesterday I met up with my sister and learned that her family is going through a pretty intense time. After four years of having an affair with a married man, he has finally decided to leave his wife (though it hasn't actually happened yet) and so my sister has finally decided to leave her husband and kids properly (to date she's been living part-time with them), though it is no shock to them as they knew it was coming. However, to top it all off, her 16 year old son has revealed that he has been a girl trapped in a boy's body for years and wants to "come out" as a girl. What a blow for all of them. My poor darling nephew has been so unhappy for years apparently. And for all this to be happening whilst she is in the process of leaving. It's all so messy and heart-breaking. I just hope they can get some counselling for DN, not because they want to change his mind, just so they can all work through it. It is going to be such a hard road for DN to travel.

Just when you think every thing is crusing along nicely-ish, life can throw curve balls!

My afternoon was lovely though. I took DD to netball, and her team is 2nd on the ladder, she's very proud and excited about the upcoming finals. I swam 50 laps, which felt really good because I'd skipped a session last week.

Today is father's day over here, so I will shortly be cooking breakfast, then a big roast lunch for parents-in-law.

Happy Sunday everyone. Is anyone else coming up to the nasty am I/aren't I/should I test? time in their cycle? Now that I know it's all over for me, who needs cheering on??