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BFP on 2 home tests but BFN at Dr's?

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MrsAnderson22 · 25/06/2013 14:26

hi, I tested positive yesterday afternoon at home. I went to the walk in centre last night as I was worried about severe pains in my shoulder I've had for 2 days now. today is the 3rd day. I know this can be a symptom of ectopic preg, and you are more susceptible to ectopics with coil removal, I had mine removed in march. so at the walk in centre they did a test, it was bfn but showed blood in my urine! nurse said I could be about to have AF.....I still haven't, I tested again this morning using a first response test and the line was clearer! so 2 home bfp and 1 bfn from nurse. blood in urine and painful shoulder. any advice?

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MrsAnderson22 · 06/07/2013 22:24

hi, yes I'm home now. I woke up this morning amd was bleeding, just a little on my bottoms and when I wiped. nothing in the toilet so it wasn't trickling. I phone the dr and she said to get straight to a&e where they did my bloods again. since wednesday my hormone levels have only gone up from 136 to 143 so the dr basically said although I may not be actively miscarrying right now, it's definitely going to happen. she did an internal examination when I was there and said she didn't see any fresh blood, and I wasn't sore when she pressed on my stomach, which she said were both very positive signs. she did some swabs and let me come home saying she'd phone in an hour with my blood results. when she did phone, she told me about my levels and how they hadn't risen enough and that I have to keep my appointment on wednesday at 9am to have them checked again but to expect them to have decreased because it can't possibly be a viable pregnancy given todays results! I am finding it hard to take in, I have had a miscarriage before but I had an awful lot more bleeding and it was bright red, this mornings looked more like old blood. its completely stopped as of around 12pm, nothing at all even when I wipe and although I am having a little cramp, I am putting that down to the internal, they feel exactly like when I've had a smear test!! Wednesday just seems so far away!! my god i am hating hormone levels at the minute! xx

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Writerwannabe83 · 06/07/2013 22:43

I just read this thread through - what a nightmare this has been for you.

The best of luck for Wednesday x x

RaRaZ · 06/07/2013 23:54

That's terrible. Can't believe all the ups and downs you've had. How can it be 'very positive' but also a definite mc??? I don't understand. This must be so tough on you emotionally. I hope you're DP is helping you x

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 00:25

that's exactly what is confusing me! in one day and off the same dr I'm told 2 different scenarios! I'm hoping I get more of a definitive answer on wednesday! I'll keep you all posted, thanks for being on the other end of my rants and fears, I really appreciate it. DP is being great, very supportive, but at the same time is as confused and frustrated as me xx

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petra27 · 07/07/2013 00:41

MrsAnderson, I've just read this thread from the start and can't believe what a stressful two weeks this must have been for you.

I'm wondering why they are making you wait till wednesday for more bloods?

That just seems more stressful for you?

I'd be tempted to go in on Monday morning (would be 48 hours since the ones you've had) and ask for them to be done since it is the 48 hour gap they need to draw conclusions.

I've been in a similar situation and unfortunately in my case that did turn out to be a MC in the end.

I didn't start to properly bleed until my HCG had dropped down to below 10, so it took a while to actually start but I'd had a 48 hour blood test show falling results a week or so before this, so at least I knew the situation for definite at that point and could prepare myself.

Similarly if your 48 bloods are rising well it would be a lot less stressful to know this on Monday rather than wait till Wednesday.

The waiting is horrible. It is a blessing you have got such a good DP and you can support each other through this. I'm thinking of you.

Vikkijayne2507 · 07/07/2013 08:46

Thinking of you here

RaRaZ · 07/07/2013 10:29

Did you ask that, Mrs A ? How s/he could give you two opposing verdicts? I'm baffled. Wish I wasn't and wish I knew something to help.

I'm inclined to agree with petra above: my understanding is that when you start to mc, your hcg levels stop rising. So I'd want to know sooner rather later if they're still rising. I don't think them rising just a little means that you're definitely out of the woods though - it may be a high-risk pg or you may mc later on, but to my knowledge, if you're starting to mc, they won't rise any further.

Thinking of you.

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 14:46

I did ask her, she just said going by the hormone levels it can't possibly be a viable pregnancy and they also can't rule out an ectopic, she can't explain why there's no pain or fresh blood (yesterday) and true to form, crippled in cramp today, right side of abdomen and going down into the top of my leg, no bleeding unless I wipe and shoulder pain has returned :( not going to a&e today though, for them to send me home as they don't scan at weekends! I'll go tomorrow when the other's are at school. I know this may sound harsh but I'm at the point now where I wish they'd just clean me out and let me start again! I know, I can feel something isn't right :( xx

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RaRaZ · 07/07/2013 15:11

I totally understand Mrs A, but I think it's terrible that they've told you that it might be ectopic and they're NOT DOING ANYTHING!!! Ectopic pgs are dangerous! And painful, as you're finding out. I really think they should be putting more emphasis on your health and wellbeing than they are at present. What if it IS ectopic and it ruptures?! I don't mean to scare you, but it's a possibility and one that needs to be avoided at all costs. Have they scanned you? Have they carried out an internal exam? Have you had your abdomen felt?

And so if it can't be viable, wtf are they planning to do - just leave you to see what happens? Not good enough! I'm really angry on your behalf; I don't think you're being treated properly at all. Can you go to another hospital or doctor?

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 15:23

I had an swabs taken yesterday and dr prodded at my belly and that's when she said it was looking positive! I haven't had a scan and all I kept being told when asking for one is my levels have to be in the thousands before they can see anything. so what if my levels dont reach the thousands but I'm having an ectopic? do I wait until I pass out with the pain? I'm so frustrated, I've seen 4 different drs in the past 2 wks, 2 say levels are fine I'm just earlier than first thought, 1 says everythings looking positive but levela are too low?!?! how can that be positive? and the other one has said definite miscarriage or ectopic. I've been told to wait until Wednesday to see if my levels have dropped, if they have it means it's miscarrying on it's own according to dr and if they have stayed roughly the same we need to talk about the next step whatever that is! x

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 15:27

also, I was told that ectopic wouldn't cause shoulder pain unless internal bleeding had occurred in which case I'd have to be further on than 3 wks (bearing in mind 1 dr thinks I'm now 8 wks!) ectopic pregnancies are dangerous 6wks+ when they grow to a certain size and can rupture the tube. but, again, they won't scan because my levels aren't high enough to show anything!

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evelynj · 07/07/2013 15:48

What a nightmare for you-could you try talking to the one who thought you were 7 weeks & seeing if you can get them to agree to a scan?

Thinking of you...

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 15:58

hi, he did agree to a scan, he even booked me in for it for 2 days after I saw him. I turned up for my appointment and was told they weren't doing it because my hormone levels aren't in the thousands and they wouldn't be able to see anything.

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MrsAnderson22 · 07/07/2013 23:58

hi everyone, well, im typing this from a hospital bed unfortunately :'( my bleeding, cramping and shoulder pain got so bad today I had to go to a&e...again!! they kept me in, drew bloods, hormone levels have decreased to 76 so more or less halved since yesterday. I'm definitely losing the baby but Dr's are still unsure whether it's a miscarriage or ectopic and are still adamant they won't be scanning as they won't see anything. I've been told my options are: 1, to take a tablet to dissolve the pregnancy or 2, to wait and see if it rids itself. I'm put off by the tablet (I can't remember it's name) as you can't ttc for a number of months (I've asked 1 nurse who didn't know how long you had to wait, and 1 dr who also didn't know how long you have to wait!) so tomorrow I will ask the consultant! i also don't just 'want to wait and see' as I want to be pain free asap!! x

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OveranxiousUnderated · 08/07/2013 07:47

Sorry to hear that MrsA Sad hope you're ok x

The fact that your levels have halved so much suggests it is ending ok by itself and I would be inclined to try and 'wait and see' if you can stand the pain...could you ask for some stronger pain relief? I too would want to avoid the tablet if possible.

I have had two ectopics, well one suspected that resolved itself (levels were 350 decreasing every day) and a second 3 weeks ago which unfortunately was developing normally in my tube (levels 31000!) and ruptured causing me to have my tube removed. With your levels so low I don't think you have to worry too much. I hope the pain resides soon.

I am so sorry you are going through this. Be kind to yourself and try to stay strong.

x

Writerwannabe83 · 08/07/2013 07:52

Hello MrsAnderson,

I'm sorry it has all come to this - what a long trek it has been to get an answer and even now you are still left hanging as to what to do.

I agree with the others, ask for some stronger painkillers and try to see your way through the pain

x x

petra27 · 08/07/2013 08:32

So sorry to hear that Mrs Anderson,
I hope you are OK
Hopefully the consultant will come round this morning and you can press them for some answers.

RaRaZ · 08/07/2013 20:48

Oh I'm so sorry Mrs A - especially as thing sounded so positive for a while :-/ This is terrible. I'd agree with the others: if you can - and assuming you want to try for a baby again - I'd try and avoid the tablet. It does sound as though your body is sorting things out itself, but ofc you need to be able to cope with the pain as well. How you are feeling emotionally? Sending you love. Flowers xx

evelynj · 08/07/2013 23:58

Hugs to you-defo wait to see if it goes naturally-I had a miscarriage last year at 8 weeks after ttc for 15months but seemed to be more fertile afterwards & was pregnant 5 months later.

It's hard to get through-ESP since you've been all over the place with stress on this. Be gentle with yourself & allow time to recover x

Vikkijayne2507 · 09/07/2013 00:07

Sorry to hear that Mrs A hope you bounce back but take care of yourself

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MrsAnderson22 · 09/07/2013 01:49

hi everyone, thanks for your kind words and well wishes. I was discharged from hospital today, I have continued to bleed and it seems to be getting heavier. on the plus side I am pain free and in the end wasn't offered the tablet as it is thought my miscarriage will run it's course itself. emotionally, I am feeling drained and frustrated but at the same time relieved it wasn't an ectopic, that may sound odd but I think a miscarriage is more straight forward and less complicated, not any less upsetting of course. so the next stage is to have bloods drawn next tuesday (15th) to see if my hormone levels have decreased again, which of course I'm assuming they will have. I'm exhausted and thankful for all the support I have received through family, friends and of course you lovely bunch.

please keep an eye on this post in the future, I hope to have some good news for you all, with a happy 9 months commentary :) I would like to share it with all of you! xx

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RaRaZ · 09/07/2013 09:33

Thanks for the update, Mrs A, it's great that you're keeping us posted - some people go a bit quiet and it's worrying! I'm sorry you're having a shit time and I'm REALLY sorry it has turned out to be a mc - they're horrible to go through. But I almost think that it must be a relief in some ways now - it's freed you up from the seemingly endless line of doctors saying "It's ectopic. No it's not. It's a mc. Well, it might be a mc. It's probably ok. No! Everything looks great!" etc. At least you know now. And it's terrible, but it seems like a pg that confusing to the medical professionals may not have continued in a healthy way, so at least it's happening in the early stages and at least you're not in any pain. I understand it's heartbreaking and I'm not detracting from that, but at least if this mc is pain-free and 'easy' physically, you're in a better place to ttc again afterwards.

Glad your friends and family have been so good. It makes a real difference. Have you told your children?

Take care xx

Vikkijayne2507 · 09/07/2013 09:47

I will be keeping an eye Mra A I think letting the mc run its course is the best option making ttc easier and quicker in the long run. Good luck im glad its not painful all the best xx

DisneyDiva87 · 09/07/2013 09:57

I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through MrsA I can't imagine what it must be like but I'm sure it is one of the worst things in the world.

We're here if you need to scream and yell and don't want to take it out on family and friends. Thinking of you and sending virtual hugs.

RaRaZ · 19/07/2013 13:38

Mrs A, how are you doing now? x

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