TTC 10 + months, part 14 (eek)

[GinSoaked]

A friendly, supportive thread for lovely ladies taking waaay longer than they ever expected to win their babies

Just popping in to say thank you for all the lovely messages. I am fine. I had a massive cry on Friday. I did what I learned in counselling letting it come out when it suited me, I sat down with my diary (which I started after the mc) and wrote down how rubbish it all felt, which leads the a good flood after that I felt way better, as I didn't have to worry so much about the tears sneaking up on me, I burned a candle - thanks for the idea buzz next to the guardian angel SB got me for christmas after the shitty year we'd had. After that we went for dinner, had a lovely time, sadly the puddings were a bit rubbish pout but the rest, including the wine, was lovely. So plenty was taken in. Yesterday I spent the afternoon at my parents near the sea, went for a jog, got some mum and nephew cuddles and came home to nice tea which SB had pretty much cooked. Today I woke up hideously early and I've been baking for the not birthday and the friend coming to stay with the candle on again and I'll be sowing some flowers later on today. So it is okay.

Well done on the midnight injection madness I hope the eggs are fab and get on with their business tomorrow, you too critter? All very exciting.

Enjoy the feeling of PUPO nelly and mrsd!

Sea I am in shock about the 100K fertility journey of your friend. We had good jobs could never afood That Much but even if we could I don't think I'd be able to keep throwing money at it. Mainly also because the chances do drop off quite badly after 3-5 rounds of IVF (like after 4-6 of IUI). The controversial drT gets many pregnancies doesn't he? But I do think getting pregnant and mc-ing is harder than failing rounnds... Might just be me and might just be now. I used to be a bit envious of those who'd miscarried because "at least they could get pregnant", I got cured of the misconception the hard way!

I am quite jealous of your "pockets of infertility" euro and madness! I've told the world and have one multiple MC friend - now nearly popping number 2, one former friend with anovulation - now with a 1yr old - and one friend who never made it (afte IVF and MC). I know of one classmate who also has anovulation, but we're not friends. I only know one former colleague who had a baby boy through IVF. And that is it. I know of a 10-20 babies born to people who met after us for the past 2 years...

I am holding out great hopes for Colin, poutster and I am happy that you're feeling a bit better. Hmm for tea. Sorry big dog is being moody, I am sure neither you nor little dog did something wrong.

Wow, scan time already sar. Keeping everything crossed for you tomorrow. I am sure you'll be fine. You so deserve this!

Hope the result of recovery and hair dressing were wonderful, buzz. I have the same activity lined up for next week. Sorry Kayla is being naughty, but I think you might have spoiled her a little ! Great to hear your positivity!

Are you thinking of IUI Ramona? As the thread veteran of that particular type of AC I am happy to give you a run through of the process (done it without drugs, just a trigger, with two different types of follicle growing drugs).

The chat on intuition and knowing it will be difficult or not work, stuck in my head joy and seaview. Firstly I always thought we'd struggle but I have a really strong intuition that one day our child will be there. Second, I was chatting with some medics on this sort of subject and they were saying that many, many people who come to them have an intuition that something is wrong with they sick child but they reasonably said, we never see the parents that are equally worried and have the same intuition but are wrong. If the child turns out healthy after all, of course they don't end up at the consultant. So how can we know what such intuitions mean, except that they often serve to highlight our biggest fear?

On the topic of sievy memories, shall we do a quick list - helpful for the thick and/or hormonal older fred-members and perhaps useful for the newbies?

Many luffs, tail feather and happy no-birthday cake to you all.

Morning cross-post zippy! My short-lived pregnancy was after IUI+SO. Shall I start a list again?

lemon and SB 34 (!) TTC since June 2010, totally unexplained including remarkable healthy and normal looking insides during the lap, 1 pg+mc from 6xIUI, start round of IUI in May, possibly IVF or more IUI afterwards.

I think intuition can be powerful a strong and a good thing when it comes to making decisions. Go with your gut is usually a good choice. But for me I don't trust it when it comes to foretelling my eventual outcome. I'm pretty sure I will end up with a child at some point, but only because I will keep fighting. Ivf, then DE, then adoption. Whether I get there myself, I've no idea. I did however try the positive thinking bit today (was it zippy, on phone so can't scroll back). So I had an outloud chat with my embryo and told it to keep growing, that I didn't know if it would be a girl or a boy but we really wanted to meet it. And told it about all the fun stuff we would do when it arrived. Yes, officially crazy but I kind of liked imagining for a minute.

Anyway lemon I hope today is ok, I'm glad you were able to let the tears out . Your plans for remembering sound good. Tight paw squeezes for you.

Buzzy so exciting about your trip. Is someone going to check on Kayla for you? She will probably sulk with you but I usually find they forget as they are so excited you are home. I will keep everything crossed.

Oh as usual I've not got very far with checking in. I can't copy lemons post but mine is

Me 38 () MrN 35. TTC since Aug 10. Discovered I have very low AMH. Never a sniff of a bfp since day 1. An unsuccessful ivf in December (2 embryos) and now in 2ww of round 2. Only got one follie, one egg, one embie, hoping for one baby... Everything else looks healthy, sperm very good, now worried about Teflon womb. Starting to get head around Donor eggs.

Euro ? I know what you mean about pockets of infertility. I know many couples who are going through the same thing ? more seen to be having problems than not it seems. Being unexplained is very difficult but I think even being explained and not getting pregnant is difficult too unless a cure/solution can be found. It?s hard to want something to happen and for it not to work over and over.

Madness ? well done on the trigger. Big day for you tomorrow. I am sending lots of positive vibes your way. What are you taking the antibiotics for? I?m sorry if that?s a silly question. I am an IVF virgin and still getting used to all the terms and meds that you have to take on it.

Critter ? How was the party? Hope you are still drinking plenty of water?

Zippy ? A belated welcome to you. I think sometimes docs recommend IVF without tests because they think that is the best chance of getting you diffed. When I had all my investigations, hsg, lap etc. They always said I could skip all that and go straight to IVF. I think much of it depends on age and waiting times. I don?t think there is a right and wrong answer. You have to do what you feel comfortable with. Many docs seem to think it?s best to treat the infertility rather than finding out the cause.

Lemon ? Glad to hear you had a nice weekend surrounded by loved ones. . I agree 100k is a crazy amount to spend. The couple would have done anything and they got there in the end. I think you are probably right that mc is much tougher to deal with than not getting pregnant. I have never had a BFP but I can imagine the pain of being excited and then let down badly. I have also seen close friends go through it and it?s horrible. My heart goes out to everyone who has had to experience mc.

As for the chat intuition or being negative. An interesting one. I always wondered when I was in my twenties if I would have problems getting pregnant. I have no idea what I will do when I start the IVF. I don?t think I?m v good at following my intuition. I have it but usually I try to rationalise everything or try not to think about it. .

Just had a lovely country pub lunch. Was surrounded by tables of adults with babies. We were the only barrens it seems. [sigh].

Great suggestion lemon to do a recap. Old 'uns like me need a reminding now and again.

Here is mine.

Me 35, Mr Sea almost 40. TTC for 3yrs & 8 mths. Never been pregnant. Good AMH (23) & FSH (4) + HSG & lap all clear. ?Unexplained Infertility?, 2 IUIs with clomid this year, both BFN. Currently on cycle monitoring for IVF and waiting for my immunes results (have to admit I cannot wait to see what the results are).

Hello all! Blimey, I've missed loads. The Fred wasn't updating on my I phone so I didn't realise!

I hope our pupo ladies mrsd and nellie are having nice relaxed weekends. Hold onto that lovely positive feeling and make sure your dhs are looking after you.

Good luck for tomorrow mad. Enjoy your drug free day today! I really hope everything goes well - it sounds like you are going to have a great haul xx

critter is your EC tomorrow too? I'm so impressed at you organising birthday stuff when you are growing so many eggs! Your estrodial levels sound great btw. Mine were higher than that and I only had 11 eggs, which is why they were so worried about ohss. I think your level is v respectable for so many follies.

Aww lemons, I feel so much for you. I can't even imagine how hard this weekend must have been. I would be utterly devastated if anything happened to this bean. I have been thinking of you today. Big hugs x

buzz I think you are off this week? Thinking of you and wishing you lots of luck! Am so pleased you are feeling positive and can't wait to hear how it all goes.

sea re intuition, I've always been very pro ivf, long before we have any inkling we'd need it. Part of me expected to get instantly preggers when we started ttc, but the other part knew there was a problem. I still had the whole I can't believe I'm doing ivf feeling though during the 1st cycle. Your pub lunch sounds lovely. I bet you were much more relaxed and enjoying the vino than the peeps with rugrats!

Sorry to hear bout the red witch's arrival ramona and zippy. It sucks, even when you are kinda expecting it.

pout sorry af turned up for you too. My post ivf cycles were longer than normal, which is a total headfuck. When is Colin due to be reunited with you? Remember, fets have higher success rates... I hope big dog is now out of his snit! Our fur baby is currently being totally spoilt with fresh meadow forrage hay, which has dandelions in it. I am a bit ashamed of the amount of ££s we spend on her!

sar will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Welcome back euro! I'm positive you will be a create success stat too. We can meet up at the create baby days they have. A cynical bit of me did wonder if the clinic were so pleased for me cos i'd boost their stats! Not long until your next go now.

All pretty much the same here, with the 'hangover' being particularly bad today. The next scan can't come quickly enough!

I don't know if you want to add my details to the roll call or not...

Me and Dave both 34, ttc almost 3 years. Severe male factor ishoos, meaning Dave has about 2 good sperms! 2 failed mild ivf (icsi) cycles at create followed by a FET with the 1 remaining frostie, which is now (hopefully) a 7 week, 1 day bean. I should bugger off but luffs you ladies too much!

Madness I'm the same. Coming back from the US is tough. I have been knackered all weekend. I would normally lie in and try to catch up a bit, but my dad very kindly has been helping us (i.e. doing for us) build some storage cupboards and fit a new burglar alarm (our alarm had never worked, and the nearby burglary freaked me a out so we decided to finally get it sorted), so I have been DIYing instead.

I'd say around half my friends are instadiffers and half have struggled in some way or other (PCOS, endo, male factor, repeated mcs), which is much worse odds than the average (I think one in 6 or 7 couples struggles statistically). All of them have got there in the end though. But like drizz I know many, many babies born to couple after we started trying.

drizz your weekend sounds poignant but lovely. My due date is indelibly imprinted on my brain and I am not looking forward to it.

Sorry to those of you who have AF visiting.

zippy I'm the same re: drugs. I don't like taking them and I tend to REALLY react to them - I can often take half the adult dose of something to get the effect. Which is one of the reasons I find myself at natural IVF. It is not completely drug free but uses a fraction of the drugs of full IVF.

nelly that sounds like a lovely chat with your embie. I kept telling ours how much we wanted it and cupping my hand over my non-existent preggo belly.

critter how are you doing? How was the party?

I'm a bit puzzled as to what is going on. I an pretty sure I ovulated as I flew back, and my boobs started feeling sore yesterday, but my temp was low this morning. Maybe my thermometer is about to give up the ghost. I have been using it pretty much daily for the past 2 years... Maybe it is time to invest in a new one. I hope it is the thermometer rather than my cycle as ovulating is rather important for natural IVF!

Here are my stats:

Euro (37), Mr Euro (38). TTC for just under 2.5 years. Unexplained, save for borderline immunes, although I have a suspicion it's a swimmers problem as none of his tests have been stunning. Tried 3xLetrozole and 2xIUI to no avail. Got BFP on first cycle of natural IVF but the embryo didn't develop and I mc'd. Trying again in May hopefully.

Evening all! I have had a very 'interesting' and manic week but I have been reading on my phone. So much I want to say to people but I may well miss bits so apologies in advance.

Firstly I wanted to give lemon a big love. Letting it all out is a good thing, I really feel for you it must be incredibly tough. I found your post very moving and you have been in my thoughts. This will all work out and I really do believe you will get there again, hopefully very soon.

pout god so sorry about the headfuck cycle. I've had a few of those now and they suck. Bloody hormones. What gives with Big Dog, is he over his mood? I live with the moodiness animal ever, he's got a cob on right now because we have cooked pork and he doesn't like the smell.

nelly hello pupo I love the fighting talk. I need me a bit of that. Keep doing the talking it can only be doing good.

critter how are you? That is a lot of eggs! Does it hurt?

madness well done on the trigger shot and loads of luck and love for tomorrow.

mrsden how are you doing? So glad you have your embies on board.

sea you are not the only barren, I was in a pub just down the road thinking the same thing! My experience of mixed race fertility is only instadiffing, if that is any help.

ramona and zippy hello! I've been loving your posts and its good to have new folks on here. Of course I wish you a little stay.

euro hope the jet lag goes soon. I was wiped out after my last long haul.

joy how are you doing?

buzzy glad you are feeling a bit better and positive about these next bits.

gin stay stay! Yuk to hungover feelings but yay to what they signify. I loved seeing your update on here, it is uplifting.

sar is it your scan tomorrow? How are you feeling?

There has been a lot of talk about intuition. I have felt like I will never get pregnant fom my first failed month. I did not think that before ttc at all. I think there are probably a lot of people who feel this and go on to have a baby. Grads can you confirm?! I most definitely still feel that and in my referral waiting feel like the fertility ship has sailed past my desert island and won't ever be coming back! But I'm keeping busy and hoping that I'm wrong.

Hi Sea, I've not had a chance to say hello to you yet. I share your frustration with the unexplained label and I know it's impossible to stop yourself wondering why, but I second MrsDen in saying that mixed race being the cause is prob very unlikely. The whole world is so racially intertwined these days. I am part Scottish part Greek and I'm not sure the subtle differences in our make-up determine any more than physical features. I can't see it being a compatibility issue. Thanks for your note on the IVF thing. I think you're right, diagnosing unexplained is perhaps too difficult/ impossible and their only route is IVF. We are trying to figure out how/when we can fund it at the moment...

Hello Pout, I've missed saying hello to you too. I'm sorry about the af trickery too. Have you just come off an ac cycle? Every month, even when all the symptom spotting draws a blank, I still have a teeny bit of hope that bfp's come around with no symptoms at all and I still hope. Worse though when you have unusual things going on. What's your next step?

Nelly, I loved your chat with your embie :-) It actually inspired me to put into practice a little of the positive attitude we've all been chatting about. In your 'by hook or by crook' post (you'll have a child regardless of how) also made me feel like I have to stop fannying around and pondering why?? and just get on with it. I'm 38 and running out of time. So I started the clomid today (that I've had squirreled away in a drawer for months). Natural hasn't worked so far... Thanks for unintentionally kicking me up the butt. If I didn't try the clomid I might forever wonder if it might have worked. I promise not to blame you if the shit hits the fan ;-)

Euro, I've bitten the bullet and started the clomid. I'm resisting the urge to predict I'll have ALL of the side effects and instead am trying to imagine it as a wonder-drug that will fix ALL of my problems. How's that for positivity! ;-) I feel for you with the ovulating / temp menkulling. I've thrown away the OPK's and my thermometer for now. It's not stopped me symptom spotting for ovulation. Only a bulldozer or a large cricket bat would do that ;-) I hope you managed to squeeze in a little natural attempt on your return from US :-)

Rabbit thank you for the welcome! Where are you with everything? Keeping busy and hoping is about as much as we can ask of ourselves in this. I hope your referral comes soon x

Lovely wishes to anyone I've missed xx

evening ladies

i'm unsure about the new barnet but it will settle down i'm sure

euro could it just be a late ovulation this cycle

lemon glad you managed to survive this weekend, it sounded lovely despite the sadness, I can not imagine what would give you the idea that my little Kayla is spoilt

so where are the awsome foursome at two are PUPO madness is not EC tomorrow?? critter where are you at now

gin is your next scan on the nhs at 12 weeks

sar hope all goes well for you and your scan

rabbit no talk of missed ships

pout thats a bit naughty of big dog, he should be happy that he has little dog and you for company

Well I am still busy but not sure why I have got a few bits together but will pack on Friday as I have recently discovered that I have booked it off. We are paying nearly £100 for special IVF travel insurance

waves to everyone else

Gin - Yay! It?s great that you?re discharged I couldn?t be happier for you.

Euro I hope it?s just your thermometer on the fritz.

Pout - Sorry about the crappy cycle. It?s always upsetting when that happens. Huge paw squeeze.

Madness- Goodluck tomorrow.

Critter- You are an egg machine.

Lemon - I?m glad you got it out. I?m still sorry you have to go through it. I think you?re right about intuition occasionally playing into our greatest fears.

Waves and hello to everyone I missed, those that are PUPO and at various stages of conception. I am completely beat, the weather was gorgeous (over 20 C) and we spent the whole weekend outdoors spiffing up our lawn.

I will add my stats. Me 27, DH 33 TTC 17 months 1 MC after first month of trying. Polycystic ovaries and clear tubes (HSG this cycle). DH has some morphology issues. BFP instead of AF this morning.

Sweet! Did I read that right? Have you just sneaked in a BFP in there right at the end?! Wowwwweeeeee!
Congratulations. Fred 14 is doing very well so far

Mad - good luck today
Critter - is today the day for ec for you?
Sar - I think your scan is today. Hope it all goes well.
Will be back later and check in properly.

Grouch ? i nearly missed your announcement, you slipped that in there! Many congratulations. Fab news!! First Sar and then you to escape the HSG because of a BFP. I need to book another one in!

Buzz ? so close now. I?m so glad you are in a positive frame of mind. It?s going to be really interesting to hear of your ivf experience abroad.

Lemon ? I hope yesterday was ok. Your post from Friday made me so sad purely because I recognise everything you said.

Mrsd ? i hope you are ok and managing to pass the time without going crazy. I?m certainly keeping the faith with you though.

Mad ? best of luck today. Sounds like you have a great haul.

Nelly ? well done on the ET. It makes total sense that you talk to your little embie. I did exactly the same thing. Roy had a chat as well and they perked up after that. I personally think chatting to them is a lovely thing to do.

Critter ? have you had EC yet??

Ramona ? i?m really sorry that AF got you over the weekend. I hope you did something nice to compensate.

Pout ? sorry about AF and about the weird cycle. Did you feel like something had happened? to mess you around for over a week is pretty bloody cruel.

Sar ? really best of luck today. I?ve got everything crossed that mini sar will be just fine.

Rabbit ? i think it was after the first month that I had a ?feeling? that we would struggle. I actually always thought I was pretty fertile because i had big hips and clockwork cycles. I now laugh at my naivety. But I htink you are right , I think many people think like this and then do go on to get pregnant pronto. How are you otherwise?

Euro ? it does sound like your thermometer is giving up. hope you had a good time across the pond.

Gin ? you might be a grad but you are still one of us, I won?t allow you to leave here!

Sea ? it?s so easy to search for reasons as to why it?s not happening. I know quite a few mixed race couples and none of them have had problems. I honestly think it?s just mega bad luck and there will be a reason somewhere which actually ivf may diagnose. Very impressed (and envious) of your amh level by the way! Weirdly i?m not shocked by your £100k friend. I think if you have the money, you are more inclined to just keep on trying. Personally I do worry about the long term health effects of having so many ivfs. I don?t think they quite know yet what risks there are. Ana Marie said that one of her patients had 10 rounds of ivf and they all failed and then she got pregnant naturally. Yes one of THOSE stories again but still quite extraordinary! And I have emailed the clinic with very very long list questions. They are going to be delighted and probably think i?m a nut job but I just have so many questions. The meeting is in a few weeks.

Zippy ? there is quite a lot of visualisation stuff out there and I am quite intrigued by the notion of it because actually I think deep down I do fear the whole baby thing (but doesn?t everyone?). I?ve had a few friends show me their nursery before their babies are born and rather than be upset , I?ve just found it totally surreal and totally beyond my comprehension. I don?t believe visualising though will cure whatever our issues are but I think it would certainly help with positivity. I can just imagine MrJoy?s face though if I brought back a little diddy pair of shoes or socks. I actually think he would commit me! Perhaps I?ll get myself one of those fake babies that they give to teenagers to put them off having unprotected sex. Actually that might put me off for life!
Oh and by the way I don?t even take aspirin , drugs have always freaked me out but somehow I managed to shoot up and swallow steroids during ivf . So if you get to that point i?m sure you?ll be fine.

buzz I don't think so. I had all the signs of ov last week - more EWCM than I have had in a couple of years, ov pains that have now stopped, and sore boobs just after I would have expected to ov. I do hope it is not an anovulatory cycle. I've been charting for over 2 years now and I've never not ovulated except for the cycle immediately after downregging for IVF.

Sweet! That was a very stealthy announcement! Woo hoo! Looks like the HSG might have dislodged something and helped the swimmers get through. What great news!

Good luck to madness and critter. And happy thoughts for our differs.

Good luck mad, thinking of you x

Zippy glad to have helped

Sweets you old dog

Speedy post between meetings. Had another chat to embie this morning (blasto?). I hope no-one catches me talking to "myself"!!

grrrrrrrrrr, massive rage that I had typed a mega long post that got lost.

I'll try to come back after work to write a bit more.

Massive congrats to grouch we need more details

I have no signs that anything has worked. It feels like every other cycle. My boobs don't even hurt anymore so I'm worried the progesterone has stopped working.

Hi all! Quick early morning phone post to wish madness lots of luck and say YAY to sweet! Hurrah, brilliant news! Big hug to lemon, was thinking of you yesterday. Will do proper long post later today, just to update that I had a scan on Saturday where they found I had a few follies at 17 and 18 but lots of 15s and 12s - so I did another night of stims on Saturday and went in again on Sunday, and then they asked me to 'coast' with no stims last night to bring down my estradiol level which is apparently a bit high. Goin in again today and will prob trigger tonight I guess. So EC would be Wednesday.

it sounds like you're being well cared for and monitored critter good luck for Wednesday. Keep drinking the water

Running in really quickly as I'm supposed to be working sar is your scan today? I'll check back later for good news. Hugs.

sweet that's the way to do it! Many congrats.

Keep going nelly and mrsden and mrsden don't worry about the lack of boob hurt. FWIW my two non-boob-hurting cycles were the one when I didn't ov and the one where I was preggo (on progesterone)

Great news critter egg machine and madness Good work ladies

Reading you all, rabbit good to see you after a bit. Sorry must go. xx

Whoop sweet! Can't believe how you slipped that one in, cool as a cucumber. Fantastic news

lemon your post made me feel sad. I am so sorry but your weekend sounded like a lovely way to mark the date. Thinking of you.

madness Huge good luck.

critter It sounds like your clinic are very on the ball. Hope all goes well today at your appointment. Very best of luck for Wednesday.

mrsd Don't stress about the progesterone thing. The lack of sore boobage is most likely the trigger shot starting to leave your system rather than anything sinister. My boobs were heinously sore after the trigger for a few days.

euro I would trust your body. If you had ovulation pains that tied up with sore boobs then I reckon your thermometer battery is on the blink.

buzzy IVF insurance! What does that cover? Not long now for you.

I was thinking about the intuition thing and reckon I must have had an inkling that all wasn't well pretty early on given that I went to the GP at the 6 month mark. Whether that was intuition or just pessimism I don't know. As for making space in your life for a baby, well that scares me to death! I couldn't imagine buying something for a baby and putting it away. Like you joy I think that MrP would have me committed. However, that said, I used to have a packet of baby vests and socks that I had bought for somebody who had had a baby. For some reason I never gave them to her so decided to hold onto them "for when I had a baby". We started TTC and it became clear we were struggling and those bloody vests haunted me. I saw them like a jinx. In the end I car booted them and felt so relieved to see them go. Funnily enough I have got rid of a lot of my childhood stuff too recently because I feel like they are bad omens. Maybe desperation and sadness just does funny things to your mind.

zippy Good luck with the Clomid. Are you being monitored?

gin when is your next scan? I second that you can't leave holds onto your legs

rabbit at your furry baby sulking at the smell of pork.

that's a good point about the hcg pout I hadn't thought of that. Do you have to wait much longer for the fet?

lemon I can't imagine how tough the weekend must have been for you. Big squeeze.

euro could the travelling/jet lag/time difference have thrown your temps out?

mad good luck today

sar is it the scan today?

My 2nd cousin had her 5th!! baby yesterday. A girl after 4 boys. My mum rang to tell me and said that they've called her Faith and have told people it's because they never stopped believing that one day they would have a girl. I was a bit that they honestly think they had it tough having 4 boys first and were longing so much for a girl. I think people live in parallel universes. I've looked on her fb page and it's full of people saying how amazing it is that they finally got a girl, how they now have a perfect family etc. I've seen posts on here about wanting one gender but I didn't really think people in real life were like this. I'm happy they live on the other side of the world and aren't part of my close family.

buzzy does the ivf insurance pay out if it's a BFN?? That would be worth having

mrsd my boobs were less sore on my IVF BFP cycle than they are usually. It's one of the reasons I was so sure it hadn't worked!

Travelling has never thrown out my temps before. I'm just rather confused. My cycles have been very regular and the first one after MC was only a day or two out, so this has unsettled me a bit. I will order a new thermometer and see where that gets me!

I am agog at your cousin. I wonder if she has any idea how blessed she is.

gin I agree with pout.

critter that all sounds good. I hope the scan gives more good news.

How are you doing doll?

Just a quick one,

Sweet - woohooo, fantastic news. Congratulations.

Critter - the coasting sounds sensible.

Den -don't worry one bit about lack of symptoms. It really doesn't mean anything at this point.

Good luck to madness for ec today.

About the intuition thing, I believe deep down we do know more about our body break downs than our clinics give us credit for. But I don't think we can predict ourselves a babyless future. Even though I now know in hindsight ivf was the wrong treatment for me, when we were getting failed cycles we didn't know that and I did feel there would never be a baby. I did do some reading around the laws of attraction at one point. Good reading for anyone who wants to challenge their 'intuition /fear'.

So we have been for a scan and we were luckily greeted with a heartbeat and 6mm embryo. Only small problem was there is a haematoma in the womb caused by the baby burrowing and causing a pool of blood. These arent uncommon im told but I might bleed very soon. At least I am forewarned.

I apologise in advance if I don't update as much in the near future. It has nothing to do with disappearing off thread but I am feeling ill 24/7 and computer screens make me feel even worse. Like gin, im not complaining, but just trying to manage it.

Helloooooo to all you lovely lovely ladies.

that sounds all good sar how amazing was it to see the teeny baby? At least if you have a bleed now you'll know not to panic. I'm sorry that you're feeling pukey though. How many weeks are you now? Will the next scan be at 12 weeks?

euro I don't know her well, she's my mum's cousin's daughter. I think that makes her my second cousin she must be an instaduffer because the eldest of the 5 children is only just 9 I think. I suppose if you've never had a hard time ttc or had children with health issues then you have a very different set of wishes and expectations. I was just a bit shocked that they seem to think they've had some sort of struggle to get what they want ie a girl and don't just count their blessings. According to my mum they're very wealthy too so I suspect there is a little bit of always getting what you want.