Excellent Egg Buddies continued! Anyone having IVF/ICSI in Jan, Feb and March 2013 please join us!

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We've run out of room on Karbea's Jan IVF thread and it is too much fun to stop! We're all getting into comfy clothes and enjoying the side effects and surprises (and occasionally some hand holding).

Hello Mewling nice to have you back. Do you know when you are starting? Are you down regging first? xx

Hi all....all checked out and chilling in the soho club for a bit sipping a hot chocolate so thought I would catch up with you all.

Flight is at 9pm so we have a bit of a wait, but are going for dinner and also just gave DH his last surprise for his birthday which is we are flying home business so he was chuffed...shame I could give him a BFP as well.

I didn't test today and I'm going to hold out till OTD now...thanks noks for sending the fat lady away I hope she stays away and stuffs her face full of Greggs pasties!

north it must be horrible to see the first signs of it all being over...habg in their Hun, I have a feeling I will be joining you after Wednesday. At least you can console yourself with drunken sex! something I am missing...I can tell you! I know you would have preferred the alternative but it will happen

euro glad you ended up enjoying your day...you earthquake comment made me chuckle out loud! I think you should take it a day at at time until Thursday see what they say and then make your decisions....but I would totally cancel my trips...I wouldn't want to be away from home or DH, I am still holding onto the hope that Barry is going to have a major growth spurt!

sharon wow your follies are growing fast....brings you closer to stopping those jabs. Your friend memorial sounded really uplifting as well as inspirational, we all have to take our positive vibe from wherever we can get them

keep LMFAO at your controlled orgasm trial...can you get on with it and publish the results so my clinic will change their advice please!

dildals how are you doing is the news sinking yet?

delilah still thinking of you lovely if you are still lurking....it's good to hear you have a positive plan

choco I'm glad you have your embbie on board...fingers crossed for you

mew good luck with the ICSI...it's fantastic you already have a little one as a result so you know it can work

Who have I missed? Apologies to those I have....hope you are all having a lovely Sunday evening

Will be in touch either from the airport lounge or when I'm back from across the pond

Xx

Safe trip back Honty. Enjoy SH NYC. Xx

Evening all

hont safe journey back Hun. Am still keeping my fingers crossed for you that little Honty-o is hiding behind an organ and will put in a late appearance.

mew good luck for your ICSI.

Afm, I don't know whether to be cross or not and I'd be glad of a bit of Wolf Pack guidance. MIL has called a couple of times to speak to Mr Noks and she hasn't even asked to speak to me to see how I'm doing, or to see if I'm ok. Mr Noks had to go back oop norf last week for a funeral and I obviously spoke to him loads when he was there because i was feeling a bit crappy down regging, with MIL in the background, and again, she didn't ask to speak to me. I texted her to let her know Mr Noks got back safely and all I got back was a 'thanks for letting me know' text. She obviously knows that we've started ivf (as do all our family - saw no reason not to say anything) but it's like it's not happening. I don't know whether it not she feels a bit left out because my folks are funding us and she's 300 miles away, but I know that she has much more contact with my 'perfect' SIL who has had the first grandchild and is annoyingly nice fucking dull with a touch of the Stepford Wife about her and don't really want to cause any friction between Mr Noks and I by saying something but. Oh, I don't know, I just don't think it's on. We've had a good relationship up until now and I'm a bt confused by her reaction. Any thoughts, opinions, advice would be welcome.

Noks x

Hello ladies, how are you all?

hont safe journey back and fingers crossed for Wednesday

keep look forward to hearing the results of the trial too. Am I supposed to feel horny in the 2ww?

euro am still hoping for you

northey really sorry for you, I've been there and it's truly horrible

scarlett you sound like you're treating your follicles very well. I used a hot water bottle too during stims

shazza 2-3 litres of fluid sounds about right, if you can force it down

noks I think I was on 450iu

mewling good news about you getting started soon

AFM I don't seem to have done anything a lot today. I feel really dopey, but not really sure I can blame that on Thursday's anaesthetic. Far too early to start symptom spotting and have resolved not to test early (deluded). Have just had a major panic as I was reading the dosage instructions on the box that my gestone injections are in and I think I should have been using 2 vials per day and not 1-oops, will ring clinic in the morning to check. Does anyone have any gestone experience?

noks maybe she doesn't want you to feel uncomfortable, and therefore hasn't mentioned it? Might she have asked Mr Noks how you're getting on? Families are a bit odd really, when I had my miscarriage a couple of years ago I couldn't understand my SIL not mentioning anything when I saw her, was as though nothing had happened.

noks Re families & people mentioning it - sometimes people aren't quite sure what to say or how to react. When I had my miscarriage I preferred that everyone did NOT mention it, and just shut up, it felt private and I didn't want to be confronted with it and definitely not engage in polite conversation. I just wanted everyone to F off TBH. So maybe your MIL thinks that you might be the same, prefer to ignore it and get on with it? I dunno.

Re sex & orgasms - Yes this is clearly where we ALL have been going wrong all these years! Had we not had orgasms while having sex, we would have conceived YEARS ago! ;-) It does feel weird. At first your ovaries are still so big it feels like he's bowling a strike with his erection, he in turn worries about the effect of cyclogest on his weapon of choice (will this give me boobs?), and I then worry about the orgasm scaring the shit out of the embryos! :-) It was so long ago I heard my pelvic bones creak - although that could be my age.

For all the potential BFNs - hopefully fat lady has a stroke at Greggs.

I am doing alright. Still v emotional. On Thursday/Friday I was just completely overwhelmed/reeling/didn't know whether I was coming or going. Not helped by DH telling me with guilty face that one of his friends was staying over on Thurs night, so we had no time together to digest. Such a man-thing to do, completely oblivious of dates/times. Then on Friday he had a boozy lunch planned, and we all know (well I assume most of you know) how those pan out. So only on Sat morning we had a chance to talk about it (after the alcohol vapours had lifted from our bedroom). Then I went to a baby shower where they went 'can you imagine if you had twins! oh, that would be horrible' 'Did you read that article in the Metro about the largest twins, nine pounds each', err. It is not that I am scared of one particular thing, it's just the whole thing, the concept. All of sudden you go from TTC for ages, to pregnant, to pregnant with twins. It's just quite a bit to digest, but I am sure we'll figure it out. I found on the net that there are local twin groups and there is a charity called TAMBA which supports parents of multiples, so we can glean their knowledge. God, in one of their brochures there is a picture of 2 35wk pregnant ladies, one with singleton, one with twins. Dude, seriously, the twin belly looks like something out of Alien, it's almost drooping it's that big ... EEK. I am going to wear a belly-bra I think. LET'S MAKE IT TO THE 12WK SCAN FIRST THOUGH! Before we start buying sensible cars, double prams and patenting belly bras ;-).

Night people! Grow follies! Rise HCG levels! x

Cheers choco. I think you're right, it's just a bit out if character for her and I hope she's not feeling left out but...at the same time, I think I need her to demonstrate her support by sending the odd text and calling once in a while. It doesn't help when you start comparing yourself with SIL, who tried for about ten seconds to have a child and popped one out. Silly I know but I guess we've all done the whole comparison thing and come off worst. Sometimes it doesn't take much to knock the ole confidence does it ? And we've all been at the brunt of the 'la la la let's pretend she's not affected by infertility because I haven't a clue what to say' awkwardness, haven't we ?

Dildals your paragraph about sex made me laugh out loud. You have cheered me up !

Both friends at work had twinnies and they coped just fine. Obviously it was hard work, but they decided to go with it and have two popped back in. I think for both of them, their chances of conceiving naturally weren't great (for one friend it would be nigh on impossible) so it was shit or bust. I think like you say, it's such a shock to be preggers, let alone with twins, that you need to give yourself some time to get used to it and be ok with it. You'll get there. Joining a group is a great idea.

I hope your bedroom doesn't smell of alcoholic man fumes anymore !

Noks xx

Thanks everyone for all you " safe trip home" wishes

Currently sitting in the lounge on my second glass of fizz....if by some miracle I get a BFP on Wednesday...I will have already passed on my boozy tendencies ;) I'm not going to feel guilty about this little indulgence.

noks I think your MIL may feel like if she says anything you may feel pressured...even my mum is cautious about how she asks me about stuff and always says "there is no pressure, don't feel stressed", which of course in its self doesn't help but she is coming from a good well meaning place. I'm sure she asks Mr N how things are going? Why not call/text her and let her know its ok for her ask and you want her involved...sounds like you have a good enough relationship to do that, if she still decides to be silent then maybe ask Mr N to find out what is up?

Dils LMFAO...hilarious girl! And thank you for the good vibes for my rising HCG levels

choco how long have you been on the gestone? Surely your blood levels would have shown if there was something not right? I'm sure you will be fine

Right...well you will all be tucked up in your beds, with your embbies/babies/thoughts of babies...so good night, hope Monday is a good one

XX

dildals you'll be fine, though it's normal I'm sure to freak out a bit! Great idea to find people in the same situation, maybe start a thread on MN too once you feel safer. Have you spoken to anyone other than dh yet?

nok maybe she doesn't know anything about ivf , or maybe doesn't want to pressure you? My family know we're doing it at some point, but not when. I don't want to have to update on eggs, embies, pee sticks. Maybe you need to drop something into the conversation, like 'oh, I'm feeling bad from these drugs' to let her know if you want to talk?

We have my mil and bil staying with us. Dh hasn't told them anything so we've had to hide all the drugs, letters, paraphernalia... Also, I'm feeling v tired on the stimms, is this normal?

Scarlet I was told thurs-sat for EC. I think it'll be Thursday as my eggs tend to grow fast. Does that mean tonight will be my last stimms then trigger tomorrow? I have another scan tomorrow morning to see. I think you've got one today? Good luck. Grow follies grow!!

euro I wouldn't go on next week's trip whatever happens, tbh. But you might be OK for the us one if you've either got Barry a bit safer or, god forbid, miscarried by then. I hope you're coping, sweetheart, the waiting till Thursday must be hideous.

hont business class!! Awesome! Great surprise.

The fat lady clearly just fuelled up at Greggs for a big aria as BFN. The good thing about being and idiot and testing early is I've had nearly a week to get my head around it. Swing between philosophical and devastated. If I need to leave it a cycle we will probably hold off and try to aim for early June to give the last frozen embryo a go. On the plus side, I have a hideous virus so I am looking forward to hitting the hard core, over the counter drugs!

Morning ladies

I hope you are all ok.

Noks I agree with what has been said. Maybe your mil doesn't know if she should ask. When I told my mum she said I won't keep asking how you are and pressure you I'll wait until you tell us. Maybe your mil is the same. I hope so. I completely understand about comparison. My sil produced the 1st grandchild after about 5 mins and is now pg with the 2nd. I know its not a race but I cant even get off the starting blocks. I couldn't engage with my niece at first but now I love her she is great and keeps me going on this journey. My sil on the other hand is awful.

Keep I'm full of admiration of hiding all this from your house guests. My DP suddenly wants to have all his friends over for dinner. All this time together and he chooses now for us (read me) cook a 3 course dinner for 8 people who don't know what we are going through. AND he was miffed when I gently suggested that maybe this wasn't the best time to have a party. Like I was snubbing his friends.

Dildals you cracked me up. It was the bowling ref that did it for me. Closely followed by the belly bra. Don't worry honey it must be a total shock to be preggers after being TCC it's almost like we don't actually believe it will happen even though we want it so much. I'm sure twins will be knackering but also marvellously funny, loving, rewarding and lovable. I saw 2 handsome twin young men on thd train the other day. Maybe about 19 and I imagined for a moment how proud I would be if one day I had 2 strapping sons like that.

Choco well done on the resolve not to test. Concentrate on looking after yourself and the little one. Are you at work ? What did you decide to do in the end?

Honty hope you are back safe and sound. Thanks for the updates. I feel like I've been to NYC with you except I don't have nice new boots to show for it .

Hello everyone else. Good luck for those with scans today.

Have a lovely sunny day. More later.

Love shaz x

Vall I'm really sorry. How gutting for you. Take good care of yourself. Is your DS ok now? Beechams cold and flu or solpadine are my drugs of choice. Both with caffeine so basically you are high and dont care about being ill. Loads of love xx

Me again. I think im having a hot flush on the bus. I just got abit hot and felt overwhelmed. I had to ask someone to open the window. I broke the rules and spoke to a stranger. I'm sitting here breathing slowly and trying to concentrate on not fainting or throwing up. I wore a cashmere jumper today as well. School girl error. Now I know why my mum gave me her cashmere jumpers when she had the menopause. Xx

val I'm very sorry about the BFN. I agree with early testing to hepl you get your head around it.

Sharon that sounds horrible. I had a few hot flushes when I tried Letrozole. I kept throwing layers off and storming out of shops because I suddenly got too hot! I have told Mr Euro to run for the hills before the real menopause hits if that was a taster of it!

honty what a fab end to your trip. I travel a lot of work but cutbacks mean I rarely get above Premium Economy.

Morning all!

val sorry about the witch circling overhead, hopefully she will have eaten so many pasties she'll fall off her bromstick into next doors garden and you'll get a late result

euro how are you feeling today?

sharon ahhhh the hot flushes, what fun I also told OH to move out at the first sign of menopause, I've seen the future and it contains a lot of HRT

noks another vote for your MIL not wanting to put her foot in it so choosing to say nowt - my MIL is like that, but as soon as I start the conversation she is genuinely interested, she just doesn't want to pry.

Honty I've never flown business, lucky you! did you go all diva and demand hot towels on the flight and a steward to stow your LV carry-on?

keep I think we are looking at either Friday or Monday...

Scan this morning, still 3 good follies, still growing strong; 2 on R at 14mm & 1 on L at 12mm so growing about 1mm a day, which seems steady? Endometrium lining 11.2mm but I have no idea if that is good??? I read it on the screen after the nurse had left the room

Next scan Weds am then they will decide if to go for EC on Friday or Monday, I think I am going to book Friday off anyway, could do with the day off tbh...

Big waves to everyone else

Thanks scarlett and euro. I've calmed down now so am ok.

Great follie action Scarlett. Sounds very promising. Keep up the good work. Xx

val, just :( I also agree that early testing helps. My partner was amazed at how chilled and balanced I was on Saturday when I got the official bfn. It was because I'd already moderated my own hopefulness all the previous week, and was really just looking for confirmation, or a random, unlikely, last minute miracle.

See you again in a couple of months for a frozen cycle, then :)

Nice growing, Scarlett.

I'm ok. I've reached the point of acceptance now. All my symptoms have completely gone, my boobs are back to normal size and I am cramping from time to time. I just want Thursday to be here so I can stop the meds and let the inevitable happen.

Norf we might end up as cycle buddies when I go again. :)

Euro it must be an awful feeling. Try to hang on until Thursday. Don't give up on Barry yet. Do whatever you need to to be kind to yourself. X

That will be nice, euro :) You, me, vallinna. We can be the cool kids doin ivf re-sits after failing first time round because of practising eyeliner and snogging our hands.

Thanks All.

Sharon Ds infintely better, as am I now I am as high as a kite on Solpadine The Verve lied, the drugs really do work!

Scarlett HRT is WORSE than the menopause (if Bureserelin is the menopause). I have had so many hot flushes during my FET cycles! Fingers crossed for you and your follies! All those readings (lining included) sound fab.

Northey, Euro (really hope you don't join us though) - here's to hiding behind the bike sheds with some cheeky blue cheese, sushi and booze for the next few weeks

Hi all,

back in blighty after a fab flight home...there is much to be said for those full reclining beds in business...how will i ever go back (i'm practising the diva bit for bit longer!)

scarlett i was on buserelin and the hot flushes, especially at night, were hideous

northey, euro, van i maybe joining you too in the 1st failed IVF ranks...euro still hoping your scan on thursday is good news...the wait must be awful. how are you feeling van and northey?

after reading what you have both said about testing early and beingprepared i know think i should have perhaps done the same...although my BFN on saturday has given me quite a clear indication I think. I totally feel like myself, i couldnt feel less pregnant...not that i know what that feels like

Grrrr back to work tomorrow...really cant be bothered....all i can think about POAS on wednesday at the moment

xx

Hello!

shazza hope you're ok after your moment on the bus this morning. Are you an old hand with the sniffing now?

keep yes, if EC is going to be Thursday then last stim would be tonight, last down reg tomorrow am and then trigger tomorrow night. I'm excited for you!

val really sorry to hear about the bfn

euro thinking of you and still keeping everything tightly crossed for Thursday

scarlett follicles and endometrium sound good. What day of stims are you on?

northey how are you doing?

Waves to delilah

noks any news on the mil front?

hont I had done 3 days of gestone at half dose before realising! No blood tests but I phoned the clinic today and they've said not to worry about it. (Worry, me?!) Just bloody glad I realised when I did.

Been a bit of a lazy cow today (again). Had a half hour acupuncture session and apparently my pulses are full of energy even though I feel knackered. Off work until next Monday. Too early for any symptom spotting or poas, thank god!