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TTC 10+ months thread 12

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buzzybee123 · 21/12/2012 13:56

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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MuddyWellyNelly · 24/01/2013 16:52

A 25 day period would be pretty grim.

My SP was Flare. I had norethisterone which started on day 19 I think and fudged my period. Then on about day 4 I had a prostap injection, then 2 days after moved on to the gonal f. I think it was because of the prostap I have to wait?

I want to avoid the norethisterone this time. I had bleeding for 10 days and think it contributed to my body being so slow to get going.

Forgot to say, back up thread someone (euro or joy?) was being told to drink milk. Post EC I was told that the fluid in the follie was high protein so to drink milk to replace it. I guess that's the thinking behind the milk drinking during the cycle. Soz, I am way behind!!

akuabadoll · 24/01/2013 17:49

I'm on the antagonist this time nelly no meds until stims start on CD 3. Might be worth looking in to?

MuddyWellyNelly · 24/01/2013 17:55

Yes I need to book our follow up with the clinic - damn honeymoon got in the way Wink. I still don't know what the point of the norethisterone was?

akuabadoll · 24/01/2013 18:09

humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/7/455

this link might help nelly

viviennewestwould · 24/01/2013 19:53

Crumbs, my eyes are watering with all the reading! Mrsden, what lovely care you received - glad it was a positive experience for you, all-in-all.

Clomid: I've done three cycles (currently resting before my lap & dye) and had no symptoms whatsoever. I actually think some women are just soft arses. Each cycle scan has shown two big juicy follicles bit still I am not pregnant; I agree that pregnancy rates for those already ovulating are almost non-existent. What I like about being on Clomid is that it has succeeded in making more eggs pop out (important at my age when time is a factor) and my day 21 tests confirm ovulation.

Seaview, I shall be following your IUI journey with interest as I am about to embark soon.

Good luck to all who are on the bench/awaiting follicle growth/taking drugs.

Thinking of those who are feeling blue and hopeless Thanks

ThatWayMadnessLies · 24/01/2013 20:11

Evening ladies,

Won't manage to catch up with everyone as I've had a busy week and only just been able to keep up with you all. You've been chatty!

First of all welcome back nelly. I am so glad that the honeymoon was brilliant and at least the evil witch waited until you were heading back home before she struck.

mrsd glad you're feeling much better today. I've never had a catheter after my laps so that must have made it rougher to recover from. I had a drain the first time and I think that probably contributed to you staying in longer. Removal of the drain was probably the worst bit for me - it made me feel really queasy..... Hooray to sparkly clean womb and tubes. You should feel really positive about moving forward to ivf with all of those questions answered.

Fingers firmly crossed for euro and doll the ivf buddies and positive thoughts for joy. Surely there will be more activity on the grads thread soon Grin.

pout I plan to ask my diabetic friend for advice getting used to the shots. She's done surreptitious stabbings under the table in a restaurant Shock so should have good tips for how I can cope with it. I totally get what you mean about it coming around quickly and feeling like you want more time. When push comes to shove I know that I'll be completely freaked out, even though I've wanted it for such a long time Confused.

rabbit my mum is really into crocheting. I am definitely more of a knitter, but crochet does appeal since it doesn't involve two unwieldy needles..... Have a quilt to finish this weekend for imminent arrival of work colleague's baby. After that I'll be on the search for more fabric Grin

Scan picture arrived from best friend the other day. Totally expected but still made me feel a bit Sad. Visiting another friend tomorrow with her lovely ICSI baby so will be asking for lots of advice on managing AC while working.

Big waves to everyone else. Have totally forgotten what else I've read over the last few days.....

ArtemisTheHunter · 24/01/2013 20:58

Hi everyone (assuming you've not all disappeared off to lick trees Grin)

Wow, lots to read today! I've been lurking but have vast work deadlines looming (which idiot agreed to have 3 different reports due in on the same day? Hmm) so not had much time to catch up properly. I am home alone so mega post likely to be upcoming Smile

mrsden great news on the lap. Hope you're recovering well and taking time to rest, it's a big thing.

Nelly welcome back! Honeymoon looked amazing, glad you had a brilliant time. I was told to drink milk too, but not why, can't bear the stuff but managed to force it down in the form of hot chocolate. Might not hurt to have a bit of loved-up time out post-honeymoon before cycling again - a post-honeymoon baby would be so much better and less cliched Grin

Lemon hope you're feeling better, those down days are the pits. I never really understood how some days I felt OK and quite positive about it all while others I just sank into despair. It has a lot to do with underlying mood and hormones I think. As always there was some great advice on here.

Am cheerleading for the IVF ladies Doll, Pout and Euro, and Gin best of luck for the FET cycle. Well done Doll and Gin for getting back to it so quickly. Short protocol sounds a lot better than long, I really hated the downregging stage. Pout I didn't feel ready either. It felt very rushed as we were pushed through before xmas and I didn't want to do it but once I had started it just kind of had its own momentum and I just had to accept that it was happening. And it can work, even if (like me) you don't have the best odds Smile

Critter your poetry trip sounded and looked amazing, I am very Envy you met one of my favourite poets, and of the frozen margaritas... sounds like it did you the world of good, hope the positivity lasts.

Joy if you're reading, been thinking about you lots and everything's still crossed. The waiting is the killer. Hoping very much for good news.

Pout glad the house is good. We've got water leaking through the roof which I'm ignoring until the snow has gone. God the enforced shagging gets tedious. IVF at least provides a break from it. And TBH I think we've done it about twice since I had the ET about 3 months ago Blush. That's partly because we weren't allowed at first, then I was plain terrified, and the progesterone supplements (aka the infamous fanny candles - yep, that was my carpet...) are perhaps the least sexy thing I've encountered in my life, but in reality I think we're both just relieved not to have to do it for a while... Hopefully the urge will come back at some point (we'll need to make the effort to ensure it does) but I do sometimes wonder if the last 2.5 years of enforced swi has just used up all our reserves and neither of us will ever want sex again... Hmm Grin And on the needles... seriously, I faint at blood tests and I managed it. The needle is tiny and not like I imagined. It helped that I had a big scary nurse scowling at me the first time though Grin

Viv hope all's good again with you and Michael. This stuff takes its toll. Do you know when you're getting your lap? I'm one of the soft arses who didn't get on with clomid Grin, mood swings and bloating/weight gain mainly, but I had to try 3 versions of the pill to find one that didn't give me severe PMT depression so I'm probably a general wuss rather than a clomid-specific one. I wouldn't have cared if it had got me diffed though.

Seaview I felt like you do about telling people about AC. 3 people knew about my IVF (apart from me and DP) and one of them was my mum. I'm a convert to acupuncture after being sceptical earlier on, I'm convinced it helped during my IVF cycle, it made me feel better at least which is enough for me.

Rabbit I had the short, light post-pill cycles too and blamed the fake hormones but I think Seaview is probably right, so many people take the pill that if it caused problems for people GPs would start noticing it as part of their caseload. I know it's not comforting but my cycle change also correlated with being older post-pill. I had dreadful heavy periods when younger, like you and Nao, and my two friends with 16-year-old daughters say they are going through the same, so it's maybe a life cycle thing? but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong! The medics were only ever interested in my lining so as Buzzy says if it OK that's the main thing. I love the crafting and that you are learning to crochet. I stash yarn like some people stash porn Grin and am what Mr A describes as a 'knit nerd' (and proud of it Smile) Pout there is a book called the 'Happy Hooker' by the same people that do the stitch and bitch books, it has instructions in, and there are probably loads of instruction videos on YouTube.

Well I had my 12 week scan today and can't believe it's come round. Finally beginning to believe it might be real. Bean now looks more like an actual baby and was waving its arms and legs around which was pretty mindblowing. We have a 2ww for the nuchal test results (oh the irony) so I still haven't told anyone, and definitely won't be making any big announcements. I don't feel any different (apart from weight gain - v glad i can blame xmas over-indulgence for the fact my clothes are tight) and am lucky to have had no nausea etc though it did freak me out at the time.

I can smell burning... Mr A has been at the pub so is at the mercy of my limited culinary skills serves him right. I must dash go flap a tea towel under the smoke alarm. Waves to Sar and anyone else not mentioned. Love, hugs, tail feather preens and sparkly knobs for all Smile

buzzybee123 · 24/01/2013 21:06

evening ladies

I've tried to catch up but its been mega busy on here

mrsd glad you are feeling better

euro interesting how the body behaves, just goes to show that you never really know what is going on inside, glad your scan has gone well, not long now very exciting :)

madness sorry about the scan pic

pout sorry you are in the doldrums, just think of this as a necessary evil to reach your goal, big hugs

doll 3 times a day Confused I've never know more than twice, what a faff

on the twin front I would love to have twins, I don't think I want to go through all of this again to have a second, they say that there are more risks with two but all the people I know who have had problems have been single babies, like my boss who had her baby at 25 weeks, I would be prepared to take the so called risk.
well had bright red spotting today on CD22, think AF will be here soon, I think the next cycle will be our last natural one before we start IVF, well I might get ready for bed as I think I'm coming down with something Hmm

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buzzybee123 · 24/01/2013 21:29

art congrats on your scan :)

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EuroShagmore · 24/01/2013 22:15

Congrats on your scan Art. How amazing to reach that point. It just doesn't feel like something that could ever happen to me right now, but it really wasn't long ago that you were going through your IVF cycle.

I'm very jealous of all of you with light periods. I have nasty heavy painful ones, and always have. It was only when I was very thin indeed that they lightened.

viviennewestwould · 24/01/2013 22:27

Artemis, congratulations on your wriggly, waving babby Envy and thank you for the mention.

It's good to know there are other women on here who are sick to the back teeth of the effort required at ovulation. This journey is seriously destroying my sex life!

Do you think Joy is okay? Is she perhaps staying away until she knows one way or the other? I'm so nervous and excited for her.

seaviewasia · 24/01/2013 22:58

Euro - your previous IVF experience sounds terrible. No one would blame you for losing it in the waiting room of an IVF clinic though. These places are some of the most awful places I have ever been to. I have seen ladies pass out from pain, crying.... so much heartache. Glad you managed to find a place that does natural cycle. I really hope it works for you.

Nao & Rabbit - regarding v heavy periods when younger. I also had the same. I spent many a period in my teens and 20s worried about leaks. I remember sitting at a boardroom meeting and wishing all the men would leave the room so I could walk out and run to the loo as had leaked through my skirt.... Blush
It so hard being female!!! Men never have to worry about stuff this this!
I have done a lot of reading and consulted with my Chinese doc about this. In Chinese meds, they believe having light periods when you used to have heavy ones could be a sign of blood stagnation. Don't want to go too much into it here but a good read if you are interested is Emma Cannon's Baby Making Bible. She combines healthy eating with a light touch approach re Chinese Meds.

Viv - don't worry I will keep you up to date with my IUI journey. I have a scan booked for next Wed to see how follies are doing.

Art- what a great result for you. Very happy to see success stories. Glad you felt the acu helped. I am also having acu.

Twins debate - an interesting one. My DH would love to have twins. I keep telling him that it can be complicated for babies and mum. I don't think he really gets it. I would prefer having one at a time but I must admit... it's tempting to have twins if you can choose... If it's taking so long to have my first... having 2 all in one go - get it all over and done with in one swoop! Grin

I must admit I am totally lost re long/short protocol, downrigging etc. I just haven't got to that stage of AC yet. Confused

Night night ladies... tomorrow's another day.

viviennewestwould · 25/01/2013 07:33

Seaview, are you having superovulation drugs to produce more follies or natural IUI?

Did everyone see the statement made by Britain's Chief Medical Officer yesterday in the papers?: 'Homeopathy is rubbish' Shock

mrsden · 25/01/2013 09:02

Homeopathy is rubbish IMO. It's basically water. Do you use it viv?

Art, that's wonderful news. I hope you feel a little more relaxed now.

Euro, I feel the same as you. I can't actually imagine it ever happening for me. But, I guess we never really know. Pregnancy seems an alien concept to me.

I felt good yesterday until about 8 when I suddenly felt totally exhausted so went to bed. I'm ok today, but the wounds a bit stingy. I need to ring up to arrange to have the stitches taken out next week. Apparently, they are disolvable but that takes about 6 weeks and the scar is better if the stitches are removed.

joycep · 25/01/2013 09:52

Hi ladies,. So ivf failed. It is just the icing on 3 years of fertility shit quite frankly. I didn?t even get to my official test day. Last weekend I just felt that it hadn?t worked so much so that a wave of doom and gloom engulfed me . I really don?t cry much, stiff upper lip and all that but found myself two nights in a row lying on the floor and sobbing uncontrollably. I think it was also partly the come down of several intense weeks of injections and daily bloods and then you are just left with your own thoughts for 10 days. PMA was non-existent because I just had a pure gut instinct that my womb was empty - i felt the blastocysts had perished soon after they had got in there.

I have no complaints about the clinic at all. They really were brilliant but with a pregnancy rate of 66% in my age group (birth rate 58%) it makes it even more difficult to be on the wrong side of the statistics especially as they do say that if you go there for your first ivf , rates are more like 80%. It was a massive gamble to go somewhere so expensive but we are grateful we were in a position to in the first place but to effectively gamble our life savings away just adds to the pain. I think I can see from this round that for my age I am not in great fertility shape but then again i did know that already. It doesn?t help when I read on FF or overheard others in the clinic discussing their egg haul and how many they get to freeze ? it?s so hard not to compare.

I now feel pretty numb and empty and it doesn?t help that we have nothing to look forward to this year. Being in the office depresses the hell out of me. I wish we could book a holiday or sth but coupled with Roy?s work, my leave days needing to be saved for ivf round2 and no money for extras, it just makes it impossible. I am in that horrible black hole of having 100% belief there will n ever be a happy ending for us. I always believed ivf is often just a numbers game but now being someone who has a failed ivf behind them, I feel that for me it may just not be like that. I have this overwhelming feeling that babies happen to other people and we will never get that lucky. It just seems so unobtainable even with going to the best clinic in the country.

Anyway, I am going to buy a king size mars bar for tonight, have a steaming hot bath and probably cry for the next week. In an overly dramatic manner I last night sobbed in Roy?s arms and told him how sorry I was at being so useless and told him to go and find himself someone who can bear his children. Hopefully it?s just a blip and I hope I will dust myself down, start exercise again, lose the many pounds i have piled on and decide what the next move is. I think I?ll get the follow up appointment & see what they think, ask about taking dhea and test our karotyping to check that we?re not carrying some balanced chromosome translocation (yes have spent this week googling more things). Somehow I feel I am moving ever closer to shutting the door on starting our own biological family. On the surface we don?t seem like a complicated case but I think we are very complicated but for an unknown reason.

Just had a brief look back & thank you all so much for thinking of me. Made me well up a bit.

Art ? absolutely thrilled for you. It must be totally mind blowing to see your baby. It must have been a very special day. And so glad you have got through these last hellish 8 weeks which must have dragged.

Mrsd ? bloody well done for surviving the lap. Hurrah at not losing your tube. Sorry about that cyst but it sounds like you are in pretty good shape. That hopefully has given you a boost of confidence you need. I think nearly all of us on here have had a lap now. We are a brave bunch of ladies.

Lemons ? i am sorry that iui didn?t work for you. I have also had freak short cycles. Just a few months ago, I had one that was 23days. It worries the hell out of me. But I think a lot of people do. I do wonder whether it?s just a dud egg cycle actually, like an immature egg is released or something. I always think back to my childhood. Being the youngest, i have never really felt like I have grown up. Give me half a chance i would still be climbing trees.

Seavie ? nice to see you back. I don?t know whether you remember but you sent me a link to an acupuncturist in St John?s Wood. Well I now see her. She?s great so thank you for sending me the link. No pregnancy of course but that?s not her fault!

Euro ? sounds like thins are moving ahead pretty quickly for you. Very exciting. So you will be able to do this natural ivf every month won?t you?? Is that the plan?

Sar ? how are you doing? When is the likely plan for your next FET?

Nelly ? welcome back. So pleased you had a wonderful honeymoon. It does seem like you were away for ages.

Pout ? i consider myself a huge wimp and I had a melt down trying to do my first needle injection with IUI. I ended up getting Roy to do it. Then one day he wasn?t around and I had no option but to do it. Strangely it is much easier if you do it yourself. Once you manage to do it once, you will be fine. Grab a chunk of fat (easy for me) and take a deep breath as you push the needle in. It doesn?t even hurt. That probably doesn?t help if you have a phobia but I think once you have started you?ll find that your phobia will go.

Madness/Rabbit/Viv/buzz and everyone else i have missed ? big wave.

seaviewasia · 25/01/2013 10:41

Joycep
I am absolutely devastated for you. I remember we messaged sometime ago and you were looking to start at ARGC and we exchanged info on acu. I also saw your posts since. It's only natural that you feel like this now. Please take good care of yourself, take your time, don't think about AC for at least a couple of weeks before thinking about next steps. Have more than 1 Mars Bar!!! Have 5!!! It's important to take time to heal... both from the intensive cycle at ARGC and mentally.
Lots of love to you.
PS. I also see Ana-Maria in St John's Wood. It's funny. I went to her last week and I was thinking about you there and wondered if you ended up going there. I am sorry it didn't help. Sad

seaviewasia · 25/01/2013 10:41

Viv - Yes I am have superovulation IUI with Clomid.

viviennewestwould · 25/01/2013 10:56

Joy, I, too, am devastated for you. I have no idea what you are going through but my heart goes out to you. Of course you feel like you are never going to have a baby, but please know that this is an irrational thought; you have no idea what the future holds, so allow yourself these very natural negative thoughts but do try hard to banish them - they make no sense. You are a warrior xx

CritterPants · 25/01/2013 11:44

No no no joy. This is crushing, I am so so sorry. I wish I could take away the pain that you're feeling. Please be really kind and gentle to yourself. Am thinking of you and absolutely gutted this round didn't work.

ArtemisTheHunter · 25/01/2013 12:12

Oh no Joy. I'm so sorry. That's not what was meant to happen... I am gutted for you. This should have been your turn. And how typically generous of you to think of other people when you are in such pain. Look after yourself and take some time out to process this, IVF is such a hard road physically and emotionally. Will be thinking of you xx

freedom2011 · 25/01/2013 12:32

I'm so sorry Joy. And also so inspired that you are already thinking about the next steps in terms of appointment, and getting up and dusting yourself off, doing some exercise. You're incredibly brave. I'm gutted for you that it didn't work out this time. Take care of yourself.

rabbitonthemoon · 25/01/2013 12:37

Bobbing in with a huge hand hold for joycep what devastating news for you. Art you are spot on - this should have been your turn by rights. I know there is little I can say to make you feel better but try to hold in your head that you WILL feel better. For now, just sit with the feelings and mars bars and acknowledge how fantastically strong and brave you are. Remember any one of us can easily turn into a real voice or person if you need more than a virtual hug. You are amazing and this will all work out, promise x

mrsden · 25/01/2013 12:47

Joy, I am devastated for you. It so should have been your time. But I do honestly believe it will happen for you. You have every right to wail, please be kind to yourself. I know there's nothing that any of us can say to make you feel better, but we are all here to hold your hand.

mrsden · 25/01/2013 12:53

Joy, also just to say that we had the karotyping testing done. I don't know of it was just our clinic but the results took ages but that might not be typical. Im pleased we had it done, I have an inverted chromosome apparently that 1% of the population have. They said its of no consequence. The geneticist we saw also asks about your extended family to see what illnesses, miscarriages etc there have been that might give a clue of a problem. We also had the cystic fibrosis one done, very reassuring to be told that you have an almost negligible chance of having a baby with cf.

MuddyWellyNelly · 25/01/2013 13:15

Oh joy I'm so devastated for you. I know exactly how you feel and it sucks. For me the things that kept me going were distractions ( in my case a wedding, but try anything!) and knowing I'd done all I could. No regrets. It's just bad luck. Your time will come, I know it. Spoil yourself, then look forward. Like Rabbit says, we're available for actual spoken words if you need us. X