After m/c - the wine and shagging thread: no 2!

[wilderumpus]

Hello ladies!

So we have had our mc's... and are moving on and thinking about making new babies :) Hurray, hurray!

Yay, in getting better at this! So I would be dpo 5!

Yay! So if I remember correctly, the egg implants anytime from dpo 6 to dpo 12 but you wouldn't have much of a chance of getting a bfp before dpo 10 (but there's some chance of getting it before then, and I think was it sheldonella who got her bfp before dpo 10?).

hollar all, happy fridays! not so in my house as DH has buggered off on impromptu work drinks leaving me holding the baby instead of doing two hours work grrrr

one I have had BFPs at 10dpo though super faint :)

hayle mc doeds weird things to our brains, don't sweat it. I am sometimes totally chilled about other people's pgs and other times just can't even begin to face them. is most odd.

have a lovely holiday ice! you jammy wench you are always beggering off on holiday!

I have no pos opk yet! In fact I don't know what is going on. I could only do it at lunchtime which is annoying as about 3 hours after I get up is the best time to get an accurate result pour moi. Lunchtime one was neg, which is what has been happening for the past four days, when midmorning results have been almost, almost positive. I have lots of post ov signs and have for a week now so am even wondering if I ov'ed super early this month - before I did the opks?! Arf who knows, we are dtding away anyways!

Is so odd, I never have this so can only think i ov'ed early or am possibly having an anovulatory cycle? can you have one of those but still post ov symptoms I wonder.

Now, I'm not one to gossip, but I was just scrolling through "active" threads and discovered that an infamous poster has been banned!

what where who why? oooooooh [nosy emoticon]

one im confused now...
I have a 28 day cycle (well i did before mc not so sure now as only had one AF)
AF started 30/07 so I count ovulation date 14 days from then. which worked out to be 13/08
so ovulatuion period runs from 3 days before that date till 3 days after. (roughly) meaning that was from 10/08 until yesterday 16/08.
Meaning that as of today I am 4 days post ovulation? (i realise I got that wrong previous post and I counted from first day of ovulation period)
is this right? how complex is this whole gettiong pg thing!! was so easy with dd as it was a mistake surprise and a lovely one she was too!
AF is due the 27/08 so ill be testing from then??

are you guessing within a 6 day window when you ov'ed then hayle? I think people normally know their dpo from ov kits and temping... pinpoints it a little more accurately. I would take your DPO from the last day of what you have considered yoour fertile window, just so you aren't hoping for a BFP too early and being saddened by BFNs that might not be true... sooooo... maybe 1dpo if this period only ended yesterday?

Might not be that useful for you though and best to go for when you think AF is due.

can I ask why you go for ov being 14 days after AF started? is that when you have your fertile signs?

no, i used baby center. You type in first day of last period and it gives you the best time for concieving according to that and your cycle length, but yes i also have had ewcm around the time i considered would be besr plus some spotting. I wouldnt test until I was late for my AF anyway I just wanted to make sure we pinpointed dtd at the right time.
Ive never done sticks or anything because I havent struggled to get pg. But after mc I NEED to be pg so hoping it will happen first cycle like it did with the last pg. If i dont get pg by xmas then I may start looking into it more deeply.
Thanks for explaning the DPO thing!!

Sorry for the delay, my computer is dying a slow painful death and keeps doing this annoying "Ooh, I can see a bright light, it's calling to me... ohhh".

Anyway, it's none other than Guru, Wild, it's on some thread called something like "site stuff" where a poster asked why she and someone else have been banned. (Maybe it's a ruse to out non-believers liek myself)

Sorry for causing confusion and doubt Hayle. Everyone's body is different and everyone's body is capable of doing different things from month to month. For me, post mc, I've been getting pos opks on cd 15 with ov day being cd 16 and dpo1 therefore being cd 17. This month though pos opk came early.

Ps Wild was your cm your 2nd pg? I was just wondering if you'd told your gp? Isn't the 3rd pg one that they will do investigations over? I was reading somehting about that on another thread but computer booted me out.

Thanks for the info one
I think I'll get deeper into the whole thing if it take more than 3mo to get a BFP?

I thought so one but couldn't se any thread saying and she was posting today I think! proper banned? I wonder why apart from the strange need to be very opinionated but then that is MN! none of her followers are talkiing about it which is odd. does it mean she cn't ever post again under that name?

Hmmm mc's. Cp was, I think, my fourth pg. I had DS, no worries, then early dec could have sworn I saw a faint line at 10dpo then had a really really nasty painful AF, was taking paracetemol and ibuprofen for five days and was all in my back, like early labour. but just put it down to having 'line eye' and just a bad AF. Was new to the whole ttc thing then. Then had the mmc next time we ttc in Feb (mc at 10 weeks in april). Then had this last cp which has made me realise the dec one was probably a cp.

I wondered about seeing GP. I think two things: 1) I have a hormonal imbalance, which the gp said when my cycles were ridiculously irregular after stopping BF in Jan but then they settled down to about 32 days. She suggested going on the pill to sort them out (which is odd as don't people have weird cycles after coming off the pill?!) This cycle seems weird though as have had sore boobs and bloating etc even tho not actually ov'ed yet.

OR 2) I have just been unlucky and everyone gets cps, just not many test early enough to realise? Most pgs fail. maybe all my bad luck has come at once. Generally my cycles are ok I feel, but I don't know and do worry my prog might be a bit low, affecting implantation.

If I have another CP (or nasty AF that I suspect is off as I don't want to test early any more) I will go to the doc :( Just hoping it doesn't come to that, can't bear the idea i might have problems and have to have tests and stuff.

anyone any thoughts?

I had a reasonable line on my opk tonight which is odd for an evening test and WOOHOO some EWCM! so hope, hope will pop an egg by Mon...

sorry for mammoth me, me, me post! and thanks for asking :)

don't let your comp die one!

hayle if you are dtd eod then you should have it covered whenever you ov.

BUT you can't necessarily take you ov time from an app as it might just assume you ov 14 days after af starts and that is somewhat of a myth for most wimmin. For example, on a normal cycle I actually ov on day 20, then have a 12 day LP. If I thought i had a typical 14 day LP i would keep missing the egg by two/three days.

BUT but but I would say stay chilled anyway! I like your style tbh. wish i wasn't such a control freak carry on with what you are doing chuck am sure you'll be preggo in no time!

Thanks :-) I would never have thought about all this if I hadn't had a mc!

yeah. I only got into opks because I am ridiculously nosy about everything and hate leaving stuff to chance and had irregular cycles aftre breastfeeding for two years. DS was a pill accident and was on it for ten years bfore that so have never really known what my cycles are like!

Argh should be getting organised for going away tomorrow but spent ages unpacking and putting stuff away earlier post-house move so have done nothing and now i just want a wee glass of wine and a bit of trashy tv! Oh well, just hav to get up early and get organised then lol

Going to dtd again later too.cos even tho cycle will be all over the place this month its still cd16 (i usually seem to ov roughly around cd19) and quite a lot of cm last day or 2 (sorry tmi) so u never know...

Sounds like a good plan little miss! Think I'll have a go tonight too even tho I reckon I'm past it, that's if I can stay awake!
Why did I teach dd to talk???

def sounds like a good idea little if you normally ov in a few days. My post mc cycles were actually not that different, WTF cycle was totally normal.

hayle my child doesn't stop talking at me. just. doesn't. stop.

Forget my opk fretting ladies! it's ok! EWCM in da house! and happily cervix also getting nice and fertile! Am sure you are all completely delighted for me hehe! Really though I am so pleased and relieved that I might drop an egg and maybe mekka baybee :) No dtd here tonight, is our night off tank da laird. Love it but really, eod? on a wonky late cycle? chuh, ovulate already

Wild I guess it's a grass is greener thing, that's not the right term for it, but what I mean is that I wish I was in a position to recieve help from the NHS. I'm so sorry though, I hadn't clocked how much trouble you've had. It's just that for some taking a little dose of aspirin saves a pg, but for others it leads to an mc, and I would love to have a doctor tell me if there is something I can do, and then I realised you can... I understand not wanting to know if there's a problem. But knowing and doing something about if it could save so much heartache... I would, but that's me, I'm old and do not have time on my side. On the other hand, I bled for two months after my mc and refused to go to the gp then, I even left the thread for little periods of time occassionally as my repeated reports of bleeding was causing everyone concern at the time!!! I HATE going to the gp and won't go if I don't want to!

And I was on the pill for most of my adult life, it took a year for my periods to sort out into a routine, that sounds like an odd suggestion?!

Ooh, well done Wilds ovaries!

Good luck with the packing and holidaying and ovulating Littlemiss!

Hayle I didn't have a clue about any of this before mc either.

(and my isn't it warm out?)

yeah one I hear you. I am pretty confused today as my opk this morning was finally positive, (yay) but neg by lunchtime again and I have creamy cm and low closed cervix so clearly not fertile at all :( think my body is trying its best but not popping that egg this month, or any time soon. I have sore boobs and bloated and spotty still so think hormonal imbalance.

I will wait out this cycle ond if Af doesn't come at the usual time I will go to the docs. I bet they will say is stress and send me home. Or I wonder is this a good time to be investing in tests and suchlike for fertility? that would be very demanding and stressful wouldn't it. very sad to think I might have fertility problems and am pretty emotionally fragile still. Maybe i should just sit out ttc until I have submitted and I bet everything would sort itself out then onlyIwantababynow

Thank you for your time one and your eminent sense :) sometimes I guess we just don't know what is good for us until someone points it out.

yes, am most wam!

Aw. . Stupid unrelaible bodies that won't respond on cue. Have you been dtd or were you waiting? (Note to self, learn how to check the cervix... actually, first get over your squeamishness ... then defintely learn). Hormonal imbalance sounds tough. And emotional fragility is awful. I don't have kids, and someone handed me their baby for a moment yesterday, I was mid sentence and actually choked on the word while taking him into my arms. I would not like to know that I had some trouble or other either. I don't know if the tests are stressful. I do have one friend though who's getting some help from the NHS and she feels like there's someone else to share the taks with now and is a bit relieved. (note to self, put some wine to cool in the fridge!)

ah we have been merrily dtd eod for a while now! :) So I know the opk situ is only academic, if there is an egg to fertilise then we are doing our best so yay. But I don't like that my body seems to be stuttering this month when it is normally pretty reliable give or take a day or two, and my LP is always a healthy 12 days which I think is a good sign?

I don't mean doing the tests themselves would be stressful but worrying about the outcome would be and the whole 'fertility' thang. Looking at DS and thiking I might not be able to make our family any bigger makes me feel very sad. On the upside though if I knew we were a bit fucked I suppose we could just decide not to go any further with ttc and relax with the son we do have instead of wasting his toddler years pining for another one.

Am sure is all fine. We really haven't been trying that well or for that long, the months we have dtd eod we have got pg so... If I wanted to I think I would seek help maybe closer to handing in, then I would make fertility my new project! I would have to read everything and anything I could; I would get all obsessive research-y as us academic types are wont to so need to have the time to do that and not compromise work!

Speaking of which, must crack on!

Yes, I get that. And I'm probably speaking as much to myself and my own wishes anyway. I'm spotting again today, . I'd like to know what it really means fo rme at this time. I never spot mid cycle. I googled it again and found links to cancer and menapause (sp?). EXACTLY what I want to hear. Where did all those nice links to "super sign of fertility" go? Might take my mind off things with a bit of laptop shopping, got that bottle in the fridge, and can't be bothered to cook so am having a baked beans, fish finger sandwich... (really must sort out that diet!!!)

couldn't you go and speak to your gp anyway if you are worried? I don't know about mid cycle spotting, I had it for two cycles after my mc but not otherwise... I generally thought it was a sign of impending ov? I've not known about it as something to worry about but I don't know anything so...

I have been googling too (!) and it seems that having a pos opk but not all the other signs matching up isn't indicative of anything, and to go with the pos opk over the other 'signs'. So I shall. Will be so glad to be post-ov at last! Am on CD22 today! Poor Dh is hungover and shattered today so dtd tonight probably will take some imagination and effort on my part or we might face the dreaded sex fail. After all the effort of dtd eod we have put in this month would be a real shame to fall at the last hurdle! hehe!

hope you enjoy your tonight! nom!