Easter bunnies and chocolate eggs! Jump aboard for the ladies hoping the Easter Bunny will bring a very special egg.

[Pipbin]

Well the witch has caught up with me at last. So I have decided its time to start a new thread as I think our christmas reindeer need a rest.
So step aboard ladies and join me for a hunt for the golden egg.

Right, did that completely wrong! LBOT's chart

welcome back lastbox. hope you had a good holiday in spite of the weather.

i'm in same situation. not sure whether i ovulated CD12 or CD14, it is so annoying. But if you DTD as you said then you should be in with a good chance. i too see the day before ov as the magical day but 2 days before is also very good!

i'm either 11 or 13DPO. temp still up, have a blocked nose today so hope i'm not coming down with a cold or that that is the reason for the high temp (fx it stays up)

Any news black cats?

no. either 13 DPO or 11 DPO. The test sticks i have are not super sensitive so I can't test early. i'll see what my temp does tomorrow morning.

And the WTF is going on here award goes to Pipbin!

So today I have had a tiny bit of spotting. And EWCM. Now I had this last month about two DPO. But I don't think that I have OV'd yet. The temps don't add up and if I had then it would 10 days earlier than normal.

Here is my chart

I also called ClearBlue today about the CBFM who said that because it had picked up a peak it wouldn't be looking for another one. I suggested that I might reset it and pretend that this was CD6. She said that I could do that, but they wouldn't recommend it.

Pip - I see you've been taking EPO. Have you just started? I just started this month at the suggestion of this book I'm reading and found it delayed my ovulation by about a week. Might be why your cycles are a bit wacky at the moment? I remember taking it last time we were ttc and had similar results, not sure why I started taking it again this time! Just a thought...

I actually don't think you've ov'd yet either...

No Lastbox I've taken EPO for about the last 3 cycles. And when I didn't I has similarly long cycles which makes me think that I was oving at about the same time.

pipbin it doesnt look to me like you've ovulated yet.
i'm DPO14 or 12 today- hurray! nearly there. not testing today due to rubbish sticks, shall hold off 2 more days or see if AF comes first. Temp still up, very high at the moment 36.96.

woke up to loud disco music and a DJ saying stuff which in my sleepy state i didnt understand, then 5 mins later it happened again so went to peek outside the window and blimey! apparently the olympic torch was going along the main road at the end of my little street i live on. 10 mins later a man trotted past with the flame and a few people cheering him on ! rather chuffed I saw it and still in my nightie (non working day today)

Hi everyone.

CD24 here and STILL no EWCM although I had the tiniest amount of blood when I went to the loo this morning, so possibly an ov bleed? No temps this month so I have no other data to consult. I have thought about taking a sample temp just to see, but I've either been waking late, drinking or - last night - had a really bad cold with a fever - so there's never been a good time to check. CD23 has previously been the latest I've ov'd in a charted cycle, so by the law of averages, I really SHOULD have ov'd by now.

I actually feel better for not temping. Of course it's frustrating not knowing what's going on, but DH and I are keeping up with DTD every other night, so I don't really need to worry about timing it right. But I don't have that constant "What does this MEAN?" internal dialogue going on.

Ladies - tell me more about EPO. What effects does it have and what have you noticed?

I've been considering acupuncture based on what other people have said on here, but I talked it over with my friend at the weekend (a vet trained in animal acupuncture) and she said that a lot of the claims for acupuncture are unproven and a bit woo. However, if there is a specific condition that has already been diagnosed, then it's possible to use acupuncture as part of a treatment plan, but her experience is very much in the area of alleviation of pain or improving movement. I think there IS some evidence that it can be helpful for infertility but I think my friend is right that you need to diagnose the underlying cause of the infertility first.

blackcats - that's really cool! The torch comes past the end of my road next Tuesday morning and I'll be taking DD out to see it before work/ nursery. DH is going to make her a little replica torch to hold.

Blackcats the torch came past here a few days ago. Didn't make any effort to go and see it though.

Well loads of EWCM here today. Temp down again this morning. I'm sure that I'm going to OV in the next few days. Which means that the CBFM was completely wrong. But then I think that I know my body well enough now to know that I didn't OV when it thought I did.

Hi treats glad not temping is working well for you. I do think DTD every other day is best for conception, though of course not everyone can manage that ! we have a natural pattern of every 3 days but stress and illness can widen the gap to as much as 5 days . I actually started temping to see if i was ovulating , years of being on the pill it didn't even occur to me that I could already be menopausal with the pill masking the symptoms. I really panicked when i read that nugget of information! Then i just got into the habit of doing it.

a mini torch is a lovely idea, some local libraries have had workshops with the kids to make them and they've loved their creations.

tiny bit of blood could well be an ovulation bleed!

Hi Pipbin , does the CBFM improve over time? i.e does it need a couple of cycles of info first?

Blackcats I'm hoping it does. I'm just worried that it will ask me for sticks far too early. Last month I had a surge at cd12/13 (OPKs got dark but not dark enough), in fact I thought I was going to OV on CD14. So I have clearly done the same again this month and the CBFM is convinced. This means that next month it's going to ask me for sticks early in the month and I might well have this fake LH surge early. Once it's detected a peak that's it, it stops.

Not sure if any of that makes sense.

sort of. how strange. well i guess if you don't get on with it you can resell it without a loss- other than what you've spent on sticks. I think on MN there is a thread just for women who use CBFM, remember stumbling on it once, might still be active- if you haven't come across it yet.

temp slightly down this morning but still high. I sometimes wear a mouthguard at night and did wonder if that affects my temps- obviously i take it out to stick my thermometer in! anyway I didnt wear it last night. hmm, either 13 or 15DPO . have no symptoms either way.

Pipbin - I had something similar last month. Loads of EWCM and what I thought was an ov bleed on CD15, followed by a really low temp on CD17 (which usually means I'm about to ov) but then FF didn't record me as actually oving until CD23. Didn't test using OPKs though, and my temp taking was a bit erratic so I can't be certain. Shame that the CBFM isn't working for you - especially when they're so expensive.

Sounds as if you've got a day or two to go before you can be sure blackcats - when are you testing?

I had a bit more brown spotting last night and this morning. Very odd - never had that at this stage in my cycle before. I'm CD25 today and still no EWCM and the only sign that I might have ov'd is this spotting - if it was an ov bleed. Finally getting some non-EW CM though......

i very, very rarely get spotting. almost unheard of for me so not a sign i can make any sense of.
I may test tomorrow if my more sensitive sticks arrive in the post today, otherwise might just use up the last of the less sensitive ones to get it out the way and not expect much from that. Not hopeful in any way.

another grim day. little bit of sunshine yesterday, very welcome and now its gone again. Bloody depressing.

I never get spotting either blackcats - just the teensiest bleed last month on CD15 and then this yesterday. Don't know what it means - just going to keep DTD every two days and test next Sunday.

Fx for you. Hope your new sticks arrive tomorrow.

Well I got a positive OPK this morning and out of curiosity I dipped a CBFM stick in the same wee. The lines on the CBFM stick were a very clear positive. Dark second line and non existent first line.
I'm not sure if I should reset the CBFM so it doesn't ask for sticks again early in my cycle.

How regular is your ov Pipbin? If your ov day is similar this month to the last month or two, then maybe you should. If it's a bit erratic, then maybe you should suck up the cost of the extra sticks and begin the testing early again next month.

Treats. I've been temping since Jan and ov has always been day 18 to 20.
I just don't get why I'm getting this early surge.
I'll mention it to the fertility doctor.

What's with all the late ov's? Must be some sort of lunar thing!

Though, I'm pretty sure mine was late because of the EPO. Treats Evening Primrose Oil is meant to help with EWCM and to balance out your hormones. I've been reading a book called The Fertility Plan by the first man to perform IVF in the US and a woman who practices acupuncture and traditional chinese medicine. It's an interesting perspective ot say the least. The say that doctors too often skip right to medicated/surgical infertility treatment before properly diagnosing a patient and trying to correct whatever is wrong through lifestyle changes. I know you and your DH were pretty healthy, so you've probably already got it covered, but it's an interesting read if anyone is interested in that kind of thing. On his website, there is a test you can take which will tell you your fertility "type" and give you some clues as to why you're not conceiving - Making Babies Website I found it to be pretty accurate - it says I'm a mixture of "Stuck" and "Tired"

Anyway, any testing Black Cats?

I've decided I'm going to go with ov CD22 over here. Making me 5dpo with not a shadow of spotting! Shhhh......!

My ov was late too !

Backcats? Any news?

yes bad though. AF started after sex last night. no warning at all. temp down massively today- why not yesterday??

felt pretty sad last night and am rethinking things. no time to write as i have work today and with little sleep last night need to put my face on for a change.

good luck to anyone soon to test!

blackcats - I'm so sorry. I was feeling hopeful for you....... Hope you're OK today - do whatever feels indulgent to make you feel better. Maybe work will take your mind off things until you're over the worst and you can start to feel more positive about things.

I think the eggs don't want to come out this month because the weather is so awful! They're staying inside out of the rain....... Maybe next week when the weather is supposed to brighten up a bit!

LBOT - thanks for the info on EPO and your new book. I'm sticking to my guns about just DTD every other day for now and not trying any new tricks but I'm definitely going to have a look at that website.

Pipbin - if you think it was just a random surge this month, then maybe you should reprogramme your CBFM (or however it works) to reflect a CD18 ov?

I was interested in some of the things that KicktheGuru was posting on the other thread we were both on (Busting TTC myths if anyone else is interested - I'll post the link in a minute). I sort of knew, but hadn't really thought about, that OPKs (and CBFM I guess) only detect an LH surge. This is usually - but not always - followed by an ov, and sometimes this can still be a few days away. So it's quite possible to have an LH surge without an ov. Or to have two separate surges in a month (as you seem to have had), but only one ov. Or to have the LH surge and then not ov for up to a week. Which might explain some of the results you're getting?

This is the TTC myths thread