TTC 10 plus months, part 6

[mrsden]

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

Just getting used to this posting lark, being a forum virgin. Had to cut and paste my last message in bits. Lost a chunk of it and have been faffing for about an hour and have to get on with some work! So... Waves to all the other lovely ladies and hope that you're ok izzy and had some positive news today.

Oh bums frannie that is poo news and you are fully entitled to wallow. My two bestest friends were pregnant together and now do stuff together but this all happened earlier in my ttc and I thought I'd be joining them. I feel for you immensely as it does give a feeling of being left out. I really hope you get to join them very very soon. And I prefer the wolf. I am ashamed to write that.

joycep I do meditate and find it helpful and I'm on a new wave of it at the moment. When I don't I am more grumpy and sad. I find various podcasts/meditations really uplifting. But, when I am very sad, I don't want to listen to them. It's odd. I don't know what's happened to me. I think I have had to just resign myself to being stuck for now. Also I am super tired of being sad and gloomy like an eeyore. I thought I'd try a piglet approach and see what happens. Also, this is the first month we've tried for 6 months where I've not had glandular fever/hsg/lap/cold!! This is no doubt giving me false optimism. Knowing the fibroid isn't inside the cavity is also cheering in some ways but worrying in others, cos if it isn't that who knows what it is. Damn you three minute miracle and your silky dangling! how is the beer book. I worry it would scare me shitless.

pout we have Yorkshire puds with everything they are too good to be confined to just beef. They mopped up garlicky Boursin juices a treat.

kitty I saw my mum the weekend before and she went to see my gran yesterday. This was a good way of not leaving the house and totally ignoring the mums out in force. There were an awful lot of first mothers day on Facebook though which I ignored and didn't 'like'

Ladygee sorry about the aunty comments. Do you know why she doesn't have babies? It wasn't very understanding. At least we will always know what to say. I hope you're appointment comes soon. That doesn't feel like very good follow up haste? What is your plan now - are you waiting for an nhs round? I hope something happens naturally while you wait.

I'm watching the Paris cooking new lady. 4 days til leave

Detangling not dangling. Ha!

Morning all!

I am having a bit of a head-in-the-sand approach to IUI this month. So not much to report and not too much hanging out here... That might well change when I have the trigger shot in the house . My collar bone is mending nicely and I have my final check-up soon, thanks for asking pout. The pain is nearly gone, which is great.

Thinking still of izzy and all of you who had horrid mother's days. Sorry about the pg announcements frannie and someone on the previous page. Your aunt was totally out of order lady, I would have considered punching or yelling at her.

Welcome new nellie!

You sound so much better wine I am impressed, and curious about the work thing. And about the treats for the next few months.

Sorry about the general uselessness of men on here recently. Mine has actually been wonderful (I did have IUI break-downs over the weekend and cried a fair bit, which did indeed get plenty of attention, but we also had tearless good talks).

My memory is pants, so general waves and friendly feelings towards all of you.

And thank god for being a cheapskate shampoo consumer too, pout. But then I haven't changed my diet at all, neither my shampoo, my honey intake, my amount of exercise (except when injury inposed) nor even my alcohol intake for TTC. To be fair we have a very healthy lifestyle generally with a cheeky glass of wine or three over the weekend being the worst vice (and after 21 months of TTC, I think we can safely assume most cycles, that I am not pregnant). But mangoes and peas are still definitely on the menu, we really like curries and sometimes make lassi with it :)

Glad that I am not alone in the manky shampoo stakes lemons! I do occasionally buy decent-ish shampoo if it is seriously on offer in the supermarket & a huge bottle of Tresemme or something but would never spend more than a couple of quid [pathetic attempt to look less cheap smiley]!
When do you pick up your IUI drugs? I guess things will feel more real for you then. I think that until then a head in the sand approach is probably not a bad thing.
It's so nice to hear that your DH is being super sweet to you. BTW I am with you on the whole not changing anything for TTC. I have became a bit disillusioned on that front months ago and now am working on my mental wellbeing and if that means a little bit of what I fancy so be it.

wine at your silky danglings. My dogs get those too!!
I love Yorkshires. They are a really cheap way to bulk out a meal but I can get a bit carried away and trough way too many. I'm sure my dog's face drops as he watches me wolf one after the other like I am eating his share. He loves them and recognises the Yorkshire pudding tin coming out and knows that he will get the leftovers.

I get what you mean about being tired of being sad. It is draining. I am interested in your meditation CDs but find that a bit of Van Halen Jump does the trick for me & lifts my mood [embarrassed] It always makes me chuckle too because my nephew said once how he wanted that song played at his funeral

frannie Oh God at late ovulation equalling poor quality eggs. Mentally adds that to the ever growing worry list.
I'm sorry that you are so low lately. I'm also sorry that you feel left out with your friends being pregnant. It is so unfair.

joycep Can your DH try an electronic cigarette so he just has his nicotine fix and not the harsh bad for TTC chemicals?
I sympathise with the dilemma of what to say to your GP. Can your DH go with you and you both insist that you are referred to the gynae unit? I know it is old fashioned and not PC but I really think that it helps to have a man there to be a bit pushy...I know that I'm not up to being pushy at the moment so DH is the one who does all that.
Yes, I have had some bloods repeated. I had the day 21 last week and waiting for the day 3-5. I can't believe that you were told that your eggs were a bit questionable even though you specifically requested not to be told. Mind you could that be the leverage you can use at your GP's to get a referral?

ladygee I am disappointed for you that you are still waiting for an appointment at the clinic. Hope that comes through soon for you.
Your Aunt was astonishingly tactless. I think I would have assumed that being childless herself that she might have been a bit more caring. Maybe (assuming her childlessness was not of her choosing) not having kids does make you bitter and a bit hard faced.
My 2ww is uneventful. Not even sure that I ovulated because my boobs aren't lumpy. Strangely I'm not bothered and am enjoying the not stressing over ever twang and twinge.

One last thing before this post turns into a monster wittering, did anyone see Lovelife on ITV. I recorded it and watched it yesterday....big mistake. What utter stereotyping of a barren. She is a gibbering, nervous wreck who wanders into baby shops looking at the baby clothes (I kind you not...as if) and she is mean to her husband because she "blames him" and of course it is written in such a way that we feel sorry for poor husband with the bitch barren wife and so "don't care" that he goes off and getS fertile young blonde upduffed. What utter, unresearched guff. Rant over

Morning ladies. A sneaky on my way to work post, so apologies for not catching up properly...

joy re the Aussie stuff. I have to use the conditioner as its the only thing that tames my fright wig! Although I am treating myself to an Aveda appointment on payday, so may have a look at their shampoos... any excuse Try not to worry too much about ovarian reserve. After all it only takes one egg.

frannie lol at your DH planning on popping out of work for an hour to produce his sample.

Sorry to those who had pregnancy announcements over the weekend. We had another one on thurs evening. Just what you want is a scan pic sent to your phone when you're going to the ivf clinic! This one hit me hard, as they have only been married 6 months. Lucky bastards.

kitty I agree about the coven on mothers day. Bloody babies everywhere! We also had a 1st birthday party, which made me feel tres barren.

wine pleased to hear you are in a better place now. Was the Paris cooking lady good? I missed it but plan to catch it on I player. Oh and I've been feeling jealous just seeing those twilight ads, with the evil vampire baby bump!

pout sound like they are totally going to sort you out in the op! Nice, shiny womb ahoy!

ladyg I'm at your aunt's comments. I think people really have no understanding at what long term ttc and ivf entails physically and mentally. Hope you are still doing ok.

lemon hope you are feeling a bit better about the iui now. I think it's completely normal and even an important part of the coming to terms process to have crying fits every now and again. Well that's what I tell myself...

Welcome to the other nellie and hi to nellie, mini and all I've missed! DHs sitting in front of sport ALL weekend sounds very familiar. The other weekend he watched 3 rugby matches, match of the day x2 and part of a football game. And now I won't let him forget it

Hi everyone,

I never knew mango was bad for ttc, I ate mango sorbet yesterday . I don't use the Aussie stuff, I'm on the cheap stuff too pout.

One good thing about being abroad is I didn't have to suffer mother's day. I can imagine what the coven were like. I did see a few threads on here.

gin married for 6 months and already pregnant is so unfair. I can see why that one would hit you hard. I think I've gone 2 weeks without a pregnancy announcement, that is good going for me. Probably means my 80 year old neighbour is going to spring her good news on me.

ladygee how old is your aunt? I think people from an older generation can't understand ivf, in their day you had to put up with whatever nature flung at you.

pout drilling sounds so severe doesn't it? I was having a google yesterday and came across a forum where people with pcos had had drilling and quite a few of them had then got pregnant.

joycep your mum doesn't sound very sensitive. maybe you shouldn't tell her any more about it. I know that my mum would be a nightmare if I told her. She'd want a constant update of progress and I'm sure she would trot out the relax line. She would also tell the whole world and his wife all about it. She doesn't do discretion. about DH and his smoking. Can you take him with you to the GP and ask the GP if there is anything DH should be doing (and hope that they say stop smoking). There is a lot of evidence that smoking is bad for ttc, and also that it makes mc more likely because of problems in the dna of the sperm.

I won't be leaving you behind joycep. We go to the open evening at the clinic in mid April and then assuming we don't hate the clinic we are going to make an appointment. But I have no idea how long the waiting list is for the first appointment. We're away for 2 weeks in June and I know they'll want to do all the tests again which will probably take a couple of months. So it will probably be the autumn before we're ready to start IVF. I hate not having a firm date. It makes it so hard to plan. We were talking about going on holiday in August but now I'm worried that it will clash with needing tests.

lemons pleased to hear the collarbone is healing well. How exciting about IUI.

Hello nellie and the original nelly. Waves to minipie, frannie, wine euro - are you on holiday?

This post is long and I haven't even filled you in on my week with the guests and baby. I'm going to post this before I lose it and will come back!

ok, part 2 of my post. I'm always a bit nervous that I'll lose what I've written so I like to post it quick!

Did anyone see the thread yesterday about stopping ttc so as not to get a christmas baby. I would love to find a baby in my stocking. It's so alien to me to think that people can plan when to get one.

I survived the guests with baby, woo hoo! I'm really proud of myself because I didn't turn into a crumbling wreck. In fact, I didn't really think too much about ttc while they were here. There was the inevitable awkward moment when they asked when we were going to have a baby. When asked this, I always feel myself getting hot and flustered. I lied through my teeth and said we were enjoying life as it is and have no plans yet. Now, I thought they were going to go on and tell me how great having a baby was but instead they said that we were doing the right thing and there was no rush. Actually, I got the impression that they are finding it hard. The baby cries so much and isn't very settled (despite what she had boasted before coming). To be fair, it was probably unsettled being in a strange place. But he is hard work and I was pleased when they left if I'm being honest. Being with someone else's baby 24/7 is not much fun.

I'm taking the relaxed approach this month because nothing else has worked. I'm not even bothering to take the conception vits every night. I'm not temping because I wanted to SWI when we feel like it, although I had so much ewcm yesterday that I do know that I'm about to ovulate. I need to get out of the habit of knicker checking!

Hello again.

Sorry for not namechecking but my head is in a bit of a spin right now.

I got all my blood results back including some that we're taken at 9am this morning. The levels have risen. They went from 2726 to 4440 to 84 something today!!

Midwife was very kind and said that there is a little hope because the levels have continued to rise so I have to have another scan tomorrow to see what is going on.

I don't know what to think just now. I hadn't accepted the baby was gone as I have had no bleeding since Wednesday. I just hope to god it will be good news tomorrow.

Izzy that is good news and am keeping my fingers crossed for you tomorrow. X

Mrsd I'm glad that your survived the visit. It's quite funny too that the reality wasn't quite what your friends had painted! I suppose that other peoples babies would look like hard work but I'm hoping guessing that our own babies wouldn't feel so tiresome. It's good though that you felt the way you did. Sometimes I do think that our brains try and protect us.

It's good news that you have a time frame sorted out for your next steps. It is so difficult to plan things though isn't it with the unknown hanging over your head. My DP is fed up at work but he daren't even think about looking for a new job because we don't know what kind of time off he might need in the coming months/years etc..

I am envious that you have had the forethought and common sense not to tell your mum. I know what my mum is like but still told her about our problems and she has systematically told everyone. I am really quite cross still about it because not only do people now know our most private business but people will be just waiting for a pregnancy announcement and so any element of surprise will be gone. She also has made it all about her feelings. I might have already mentioned how she said she was so upset that we weren't interested in adopting. DH was really irked by that comment and said how if adoption was so important to her then she could adopt and cut us out of the loop all together

The Xmas baby thing did make me chuckle. I actually think that it was on a similar thread many moons ago talking about Xmas babies that joycep and I first got talking. Maybe you remember joycep, you were talking about decorations and baking I think! I now don't give a flying when my baby comes along!

That sounds like good news izzy. Fingers crossed for you.

massive hug for you izzy, you must be so up and down right now. That is really good news about the HCG levels and I really really hope the scan is positive (and that you get a more tactful sonographer than last time!)

mrsden I didn't see that thread but agree it's very annoying that some people can plan to that degree. I would love a christmas baby too. In fact I can think of lots of good things about having a baby at any time whatsoever Christmas.

Well done for surviving baby week! You're right, looking after a baby doesn't look like much fun when you look at it without the hormones of mother love. I just hope that I feel differently if when we have our own.

I wonder whether people are more tolerant of the boring, annoying bits of looking after their children if they have struggled to TTC?

joyce and everyone - Aussie shampoo! so that's where I've been going wrong . In fact I switched to something cheaper else a couple of months ago so one more thing ticked off I guess. Don't eat mango much but I do eat peas. What's wrong with peas ?

Gin grrr at pg announcement. What is it with sending scan pics? I'm sure people never used to do that. Is it just me, or is it a bit of an odd thing to do... rather oversharing ... although maybe I'm just being a bitter old barren.

pout I didn't see that Lovelife programme but it sounds awful. I do think there could do with being more media portrayals of problems TTCing, but not like that! I am joining you in the 2ww. Don't your day 21 blood tests show you whether you ovulated, or are you still waiting for those results?

lemon when does the trigger shot arrive? I am a bit clueless about IUI tbh, I thought they generally used Clomid rather than a trigger shot Glad to hear your collar bone is mending and not hurting.

wine and frannie I know what you mean about being left out. 3 of my uni friends had babies last year and they all live very close to each other, and to me. And now they hang out together on ML while I am stuck in my crappy stressful job . I met up with them at the weekend in fact - it was a bit Coven like but luckily not too much baby chat. (Though now I wonder if that was deliberate as a couple of them know we are TTCing... I hope not, I kind of hate the thought of being pitied.)

oh and at late ovulation meaning poor quality. I had read that somewhere but had forgotten it. bugger. I usually ovulate around day 20.

joyce I can't believe the gynae told you something you'd said you didn't want to know! anyway as others said, it only takes one egg.

to everyone else I haven't namechecked. Hope all is well.

I have my first gynae appointment at Guys & Thomas's tomorrow... I really don't know what to expect. The referral letter says "be prepared for further tests straight after the appointment" or something like that. Did anyone have tests straight after their first gynae appt?

Hi mini not sure if its same but I had internal u/s at my first appt and if CD had been right I would have had some blood tests done, is it possible thats what they mean?

Quite possibly cakes! the letter is pretty vague. I have already had a scan and various blood tests but guess they may want to repeat. Do you remember what CD they wanted you to be at in order to do the blood tests? I will be on about CD 23 and about 5 dpo.

so what did they recommend as the next step (if you remember)?

oh and thank you for replying!

My GP never did Day 3 blood tests they only did 7DPO( otherwise known as Day 21 tests) When I went to Gynae I was spotting pre AF so had it been proper AF they would have done day 3 tests. Next step for me was the day 3 blood tests and some other ones he decided on and then HSG. I guess it will depend on what your particular circumstances are and the full picture your gynae will have.

I have no idea where the mango thing came from. I am sure i read something somewhere that it was bad. All i can find is that it is actually good for fertility so no one junk them!

frannie - i know someone who ovulates around day 30 and still managed to get pregnant but there are so many things which can seemingly can affect our chances of conceiving that i think we all probably pick up and worry about anything that relates to us. the truth is it seems you can be a 50stone woman who has been sterilised yet still get pregnant ? this is what makes it so infruriating! As for peas, i love them but I don?t go near them with a barge pole. I am so sorry about another pregnant announcement for you. I think i would find it less painful and more preferable to a preggo announcement if someone kicked me in the stomach and stamped on me.

wine - that ?s really good that you have dragged yourself out of that rut. I know exactly what you mean about being exhausted of feeling down. You never know the glandular fever and all the other issues may just have been preventing your body from getting pregnant. Go Wine , go shag! I am crossing fingers for you. The Beer book is good. I don?t find it as frightening as my menopause book! If you have had a cold recently that surely means your immune system isn?t a problem.

pout - that?s a really good idea about mentioning an electronic cigarette to do DH. I feel so bad nagging because he is so stressed at work and automatically to cope he turns to the fags. I will mention it to him. DH is working 6/7 day weeks at the moment and so he can?t come to the GP with me annoyingly. I would much prefer it if he could come as men do provide more gravitas.Anyway I mustn?t complain as he was due to go abroad for 3 months but it has been wound down to just one week so i?m lucky to have him here at the moment. I am sure i will just um and ah and splutter through my GP appt. I am sure your bloods will be absolutely fine but i know how worrying it all is. I didn?t watch Lovelife and thank god ? it sounds absolutely awful! Oh goodness, that xmas talk must have been well over a year ago now. I can imagine i ?lll be still here when i?m 70 talking about having a xmas baby ? i?m sure by then they?ll be able to reverse the menopause and i?ll be going for octogenarian mum.

Gin - fright wig! What is Aveda?? Thanks you?re right , it does only take one egg. And i know people conceive through ivf on lower amh results than me. sorry about your preg announcement as well ? it really is not what you need when going to the ivf clinic.

mrsd - well done for surviving the onslaught. How pleasing that they didn?t question you further about why you weren?t trying now. That?s a good friend. I know that feeling of getting flustered when asked. I know i go bright red and sound very defensive when people ask us when we want kids. NO my mum isn?t that sensitive! She doesn?t gossip but she thinks it will just happen. My MiL is even worse in fact she sounds similar to pout?s and making it about herself. She now wants to move in with DH and I ? and DH told her no as i was going to go through hell soon with ivf ?and she is only 60 and no an invalid-- but she turned it around on her to say how lonely she was. Families are so difficult! I am glad i won?t be left behind. I don?t know when we will do ivf but i like to think it will be around September time but i guess i need to sort it all out.

izzy - oh that is sounding promising. Crossing fingers for you.

mini - much kudos to you meeting up with your friends. I find i am never happy either way when i?m surrounded by baby people. They either chat non stop about their babies - --i am still reeling from some baby infested birthday i went to last October?and i think they are deliberately trying to make me feel like shit or if they avoid baby chat, i think i am being pitied!

I hate this part of my cycle. I am cd24 and i start getting in a stew about AF arriving. It arrived on CD25 last month, so flipping early which panics me. I don?t think i ovulated until around CD17 so if it does come tomorrow or cD26 which it has been doing, then my LP will be under 10 days which means my cycle is just getting worse and worse. I never even have hope that i am pregnant now, i just pray i have a decent cycle length like it use to be.

Hello! I'm new to the thread but not to TTC... 11 months in since last MC with 8 months before that and a whole heap of misery over first MC in 2009. Yes that really does make it TTC on and off for 3 fricking years. I'm only 30, so as everyone keeps telling me - don't worry you've got time on your side. Very helpful when I feel like I was ready to be a mum 3 years ago.

Anyway, I've had a quick look over this thread and have read so many familiar things such as : a) trying to relax and letting things happen naturally - my pet hate; b) being told not to obsess about things such as shampoo, food, charting, testing for a BFP if AF is a day late c) being jealous about other peoples seemingly stress-free pregnancies and I-get-pregnant-at-the-drop-of-my-knickers mum's with all their smug photos and comments on FB. d) randomly bursting into floods tears at the sight of cute babygrows, other peoples happy news and adverts (for-gods-sakes). Sometimes, I even have full on tears in public like a mental. I also took to my bedroom for a 3 and a half hour pity party when DH's bestfriend announced his GF's pregnancy. That was March 2010. Still baron, still blubbing. Some of our friends have whole new small families of 2 children since our first MC.

Luckily I have a very patient if not worn out DH.

I'm not sure whose got the DH whose a smoker, but we gave up last year using electronic fags and they worked a treat. My DH had smoked since he was 14 and he gave up last July at 33. He hasn't had a single drag or even a puff of an electronic fag since October. I can recommend Liberro, expensive to get going but so much cheaper than fags over the long term, especially as they are re-fillable. Plus you can get loads of smoke juices in different flavours and some of them don't even contain synthetic flavours.

I went to see my GP yesterday following 2 cycles of mid-cylcle bleeding (sadly not ovulation bleeding but proper mini-period bleeding) and have had blood tests for diabetes, thyroid function etc. Fanny inspection on Monday and results and then a referral for the beloved fanny-cam in 6 weeks. I really am at a loss, I'm healthy, normal BMI, non smoker (well since last July), gave up caffeine last July, I don't have any PCOS symptoms, I have no STIs, I eat a largely organic diet, I enjoy the odd glass of wine although I'm trying to quit again, we BD loads, DH's sperm is totally normal. I'm starting to think perhaps I'll never be a mum. Still must keep positive, tests are starting, prodding and poking may show up a small problem.

Well, that's my background / rant over. Nice to meet others who are going through the same. This LTTTC is a very lonely business.

On a separate note, anyone using the CBFM? Despite mid-cycle bleeding, I'm still showing high (2 bars) on my monitor - CD17? First month of using and have been high since CD7?! Starting to think I have estrogen dominance? Anyone else experienced this?

Love and luck to you all, hope that everyone's day has been stressfree and positive :)

Oh Princess, what a dreadful time you have had. I could have written many parts of your post if I was eloquent enough. I am so sorry about your miscarriages. They are a miserable experience. It annoys me that you have to have 3 in a row to get investigated. Anyway you are in very friendly supportive company on here and has made this journey less lonely. Most of us are at a loss as to what is going on. I know I am. I am coming up to 2yrs since a m/c, I do fear it was the 1st and last time I will ever experience it. It is my naughty husband that has started smoking and I am going to discuss electric fags with him tonight. Thanks for the Rivello tip.
I don't know anything about the cbfm but I hav been told I am estrogen dominant ... But by a woo guy. I do believe he is right though!

izzy so much good luck for tomorrow, really hope you get some good news.

Welcome princess sorry your TTC experience has been so difficult so far. I really empathise with what you said about feeling you?ll never be a mum, I often feel like that. As you say hopefully all our pokings and proddings will help us get there.

joyce at your MIL trying to move in with you during IVF! Er...no thanks. Fingers crossed for your cycle length being ok this time.

mini as for tests at first gynae appointment, when I had mine, at the end of our chat with the consultant he basically told me to whip my pants off and did a load of vaginal swabs it was not what I was expecting and I was not prepared! However, it was good because I didn?t have time to get stressed about it and it was over before I knew it. But that could be what they mean by further tests. Well done for surviving a semi-Coven incident at the weekend :) I agree that scan pics are oversharing, it?s a weird thing, especially when they become facebook profile pics

pout can?t believe your mum tried to guilt trip you because you don?t want to adopt ? where do you even begin with that?! The lovelife sounds horrible, so glad I didn?t watch it.

mrsd well done on getting the baby visit over with. It sounds intense and like a lot of hard work.

gin sorry you got a scan pic to your phone on the way to the clinic. That is truly shitty. Can I join in on the DH sport obsession front, it?s highly dull.

lemons really glad your collar bone is healing :)

wine I totally know what you mean about not wanting to do the relaxations when you feel down, I get that too, I now force myself to do them anyway but will tend to just pick a short one. at silky danglings!

frannie it is just such a heart sinking moment when you find out a close friend is preg at the same time as another mutual friend. You just know how things are going to go from there ? shared mat leave, baby shopping, etc etc. It?s very sad to feel that you are missing out. However, we will get there, and will have people to share the experience with when it?s our turn.

lady hope your appointment comes through soon, and glad you have been enjoying your new baby niece, bet she is gorgeous. Sorry about your aunt. The longer I?ve been TTCing the more I?m thinking that the fewer people you tell the better. Unfortunately this revelation has come a bit late for me as I seem to have already told everyone within a 10 mile radius

Tonight I went to acu, it was good but I felt very spaced out afterwards and I walked out without paying! Totally forgot. My lady didn?t even say anything, she just looked at me slightly oddly as I left. Oops, how dippy.

We should be starting SWI really, but DH is working ridiculous hours so neither of us is really in the mood by the time he gets back. I?ve been watching Vicky Cristina Barcelona tonight. Penelope Cruz is ridiculously gorgeous.

Morning all. Sorry I disappeared for so long. I'm still having trouble with pain in my hand, though I've got a new possible diagnosis of nerve pin. Something to do with a nerve in my neck being agitated by my computer posture and causing the hand to ache. So I've started physio which will hopefully help.

On ttc front there's no news from me. My first post-HSG cycle did not give a miracle bop, so I'm hoping our second will. Should just be coming up to ovulation now. We've only managed to dtd twice so far, but they should be well timed for meeting that golden egg in a couple of days. If I can, I'll jump dh for the next couple of nights in a row. It's weird to learn that men actually don't want sex whenever they can get it, and sometimes take persuading.

I've not managed to read all the way back to my last post, but I did see the good news for izzy, and then the possibly bad news. I really, really hope you continue to get good news now izzy and all the rest just turns into a bad dream.
I'm really sorry if I've missed anything else important. Usually when I'm away from a thread for a while I go all the way back and read through, but this usually delays my posting by a couple more days, as it's so hard to catch up that far. So I'm going to to a big wave to everyone, welcome to all the new names I see, and promise to keep up a bit better from now on.

just a quick one from me

I take the Tube to work and have now had 3 tube journeys in a row where I have been sat opposite an advert for IVF treatment! (with the usual cute baby picture ) ... Maybe someone is trying to tell me something ??

welcome to princess and so sorry to hear about your MCs and 3 years of TTC.

Stasi poor you. hope your hand and neck get sorted. and obviously, hope the HSG has its reputed magic effect

thanks kitty and cakes for telling me about gynae appt experiences - I will see what happens this afternoon and report back!

and fingers still crossed for izzy x

Morning ladies

Hello to princess I'm sorry that you are having such a crappy time. Sorry about your mid cycle bleeding too but at least your GP is investigating I suppose. I guess it beats the usual line trotted out by some GPs that anything period related is "just normal". That said prodding and poking around in that area is never nice.

minnie Good luck with your appointment today, let us know how you get on.
21 day bloods is for ovulation. I'll get the results for that at my infertility clinic outpatients appointment. I still have to have the day 3-5 but will have to wait for AF to show before I can book it. I can't guess with any degree of accuracy when that might be but my guess is it will be on a day when the phlebotomist isn't at my GP surgery and I will have to trek to the hospital - AGAIN!

I keep thinking that a Xmas baby might be kind of nice too. This is purely selfish I know because I'm sure it isn't much fun for a child to have their birthday and Xmas so close. I suppose though you could always have a Summer party for them.

joycep at you randomly adding things like mangoes to the TTC banned list!!!!! I might try this tactic at home and tell DH that being exposed to cleaning products is bad for TTC or that Dysons emit harmful vibrations.
As for your MIL coming to live with you - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Really???? What does your DH think? My mum would love that too because she is lonely. I would rather house share with that lass off the Exorcist. Do you get along with your MIL?
I hope that your AF is nice and late this month so that you can feel a bit more reassured about your LP - obviously it goes without saying that I hope your AF is a complete no show!

kitty Wow accupuncture must be great if it can make you that relaxed! My DH has pretended to be deaf everytime I have mentioned it!
at unprepared for internal exams. I had an ECG once and didn't realise that they attach electrode thingys to your legs and was mortified because I hadn't shaved them. I'm surprised that my heart gave out a normal reading because I was in such a state of worry about my Maths teacher legs.
As an aside I got my 'what to expect in your operation' leaflet through the post and it actually said "make sure that you have a bath or shower before coming to the hospital" Do people really not bathe in these circumstances?