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TTC 10 plus months, part 6

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mrsden · 14/03/2012 17:05

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

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princesschick · 17/04/2012 16:57

Hi keepit yes I'm bloody lucky with this GP. Earlier on in the thread I discussed various horrible doctors I've had along the way and I'm so grateful to finally have a nice one on my side. I know the feeling about trying to time DTD, it just adds more pressure. Also, I've been totally obsessing about everything that could be wrong, it's so easy esp with Google at the click of a button. I'm going to try and avoid until next Friday when we will be running through all my results. Fingers crossed for your OPK and day 21 test. I've never had a smiley face / detected surge or positive line on an OPK. However, blood tests show that I have plenty of LH!!!!! I'm going to start charting again and I'll be turning the CBFM back on after the weird 43 or possibly 28 day cycle I've just had! Enjoy Venice - v.Envy!!!!! xxxx

keepitgoing · 17/04/2012 17:03

Mine are never technically positives but they do get darker, and match with when I get my period each month...

I tried temping last month but it stressed me out as I kept waking up thinking should I test, is it too early, oh and now I won't have enough sleep... Husband banned it! But I guess it would be helpful princess with weird cycles.

We are forecast lots of rain in Venice!

eurochick · 17/04/2012 18:23

princess I don't want to worry you but high LH and irregular cycles might indicate PCOS. Your LH and FSH should be around 1:1 when tested on day 2/3. Have you had your progesterone tested post-ov? (Sorry if you have mentioned this already - there are so many posts here I can't keep track of who has done what!)

keep I love love love Venice! Even in the rain it must be beautiful.

Hubby's motility and morphology are actually quite good. There is no quality issue but maybe one of quality? Yes, I am still on the immune drugs post-ov, so I restarted them this morning.

lisacn · 17/04/2012 18:33

wine that is great news Grin

joyce great news on the progesterone levels, yes I am a great believer in acu, hoping its having some affect on my uterus, don't really want the hysteroscopy but will see what my GP says tomorrow.

artemis there are 2 other drugs they use, Letrozole and Tamoxifen which I am on, this month was 40mgs and had no side affects but it didn't help so next cycle will be 80 mgs so i'll let you know how it goes

princess acupuncture is good,an it doesn't really hurt, my guy does cupping which is a bit painful to start with as my flab gets sucked up into the cup
Sorry about your mum, when I had my first miscarriage the nurse said 'do you want me to call your mum', I said 'she was was in NZ', the nurse said 'I bet you wish she was here', I stopped crying for a second and thought NO I BLOODY DON'T!!!! if she had been she would have told me it was all my own fault. Its tough when the people who you think will support and understand you the most don't. I've certainly learnt who I can trust and count on. Anyway big hugs again x

nelly mr nickers has some great DIY skills like grouting, but he is crap at poly filling Confused I'm an anal retentative perfectionist very particular about how the job is done so its me getting feisty when its not done to my high standard Grin

hello and waves to everyone else

lisacn · 17/04/2012 18:50

have my herbs on the boil in the kitchen DH has just come out of the kitchen and asked if he can turn my cauldron off Grin

CritterPants · 17/04/2012 18:56

Hi all!

princess I love the DH proffering his bum as a hot water bottle story. That is so sweet and also hilarious. Sorry that you were in pain though, hope you're feeling a little better today! And great news about your lovely GP. Sorry about your parents' thoughtless comments, sounds like they don't really know how to handle the situation. That is crap. I'm glad they semi-apologised, at least - it's perfectly normal to find other people's baby news tricky when you've been having a rough time with having your own. Your MIL sounds fab. I have a slightly opposite situation - my mum had two or three MCs and a stillbirth before she managed to have me and my sister, so she's been awesome about my ttc woes, but my MIL has been less sensitive.

artemis - Grin Grin about the comedy Benny Hill theme tune music as a fitting accompaniment for the 10+ers fertility dance. Perk up those tail feathers ladies!
hops about ungracefully, shaking hers vigorously before getting tangled in pout's bunting and keeling over

lisa great news about the migraines.

keepit enjoy Venice, even if it's raining you will still have an amazing time - think of all the shopping - mmm, Murano glass.... lovely. And cappuccino drinking/cornetto alla crema-eating can be done indoors!

euro sorry you're feeling sore, and really good luck with the 2ww. I will have my fingers and toes crossed that the chauffeur-driven M&S top-notch swimmers do their job!

joyce amazing news about the progesterone result, that sounds jolly promising indeed!

ladygee poor Mr Gee. I am very glad that at least I don't have to perform on demand in that regard - there are plenty of crappy things about the female side of ttc but at least that isn't one of them. Maybe the work colleague didn't realise why he was there?

wine hooray about the fugitive fibroid! Can they 'flush him' out of his hiding place?

Sorry and big waves to everyone else that I've missed. It's CD16 for me and my temperature looks like it's started going up so I think I'm entering my first proper 2ww, that is if I have in fact managed to ovulate... might chase down Mr Critter for one last swi tonight before getting my slippers and putting my feet up for the fortnight. Grin

ArtemisTheHunter · 17/04/2012 20:07

Evening ladies!

Princess I crossed with you earlier. Grin at the Michael Macintyre sketch. If anyone had told me 20 or even 10 years ago that it was physically possible for a man not to want sex I wouldn't have believed them. Or maybe I'm getting my tactics wrong and shrieking "Smiley face!" before wrestling MrA to the ground 5 minutes into Match of the Day isn't how it should be done. Your mil sounds fantastic. I would love a knitwear designer in the family. I have been knitting for so long I can't remember actually learning and I'm glad it's finally become cool again, in a geeky kinda way. I find it quite relaxing as I'm a massive fidget so tend to need something to make me sit down.

Wine that is brilliant news that they've found the fugitive fibroid. I hope things start to move forward for you from now on.

Joycep brilliant news on your prog test result. Do you think the acu has made the difference? I'm not convinced acu has done much for me (apart from make my long periods shorter which I appreciate) but it is good for my head to feel I'm doing something positive and not just relying on doctors and evil drugs. It's great to see some good doctor experiences on this thread though I agree that shouldn't be such a surprise!

Keepit enjoy Venice. I'm very Envy.

Fingers crossed for Mr Euro's supersperm hitting the mark...

Mothers... Mine is like yours Lisa and Princess. I haven't told her anything. She has grandchildren already but they live overseas and I know how much she would love one who lived nearer... just couldn't deal with the expectation and well meaning advice. She's also the kind of mum who would send us to school no matter what the illness as long as we weren't actually dead so I am not imagining she would be sympathetic. Princess Hmm at them finding it difficult -! I guess they are parents and they will worry but sometimes the concern comes out wrong. Lisa I've also learnt who I can trust. Though I had a difficult conversation yesterday with a normally understanding friend. She told me to 'stop worrying and just open your legs' Shock I don't know what she thinks I am doing!

I'm not going to namecheck everyone for fear of missing someone out but massive shakes of the tail feathers and cellulite to everyone, loving the dance moves ladies! I know it's only Tuesday but I was feeling rebellious so I have Wine Smile

lisacn · 17/04/2012 20:43

artemis

Shock Angry at your friends comment, does she have kids???
maybe our mothers are separated at births siblings, mine is a real peach, she disowned 5 days before I got married

princesschick · 17/04/2012 22:33

Evening ladies! Well after 2.5 hours of rubble moving (1/3 closer to new kitchen floor - yay!) and half a tub of strawberry gelato in tummy I'm feeling all good again. Period pain gone and mood lifted - thanks critter Good luck with your 2ww. euro yup I'm fully prepared for pcos. I've had my day 3 blood test today. I've never had irregular periods before Feb this year, so doctor thinks it could be a blip / stress. Last blood test was on day 15 but I was having a mid cycle bleed which may have been an actual period Confused. I don't have any other pcos symptoms, such as acne , hair loss, hairy chin and my bmi is about 22 at the moment. I'm aware that it can be symptomless so I'm not ruling it out. I'm going to wait until all the evidence is collected and see what the doctor has to say as I've exhausted myself googling over the past few weeks. Only have to wait until next Friday. thinks to self that manic googling will resume tomorrow morning to see the wonder GP. I actually think I'm a bit in love with her...
lisa your mum did what? God, I thought mine was bad enough with her weird way of dealing with stressful things but disowning you before your wedding???!!! WTF???? Thanks for advice re acupuncture.
artemis big belly laugh at the pounce tactics!! Oh and stupid people. I hate the don't worry phrase and to follow it with just open your legs. I think I would have actually said "oh so that's where I'm going wrong. I've just been looking under the gooseberry bush all these months". Come on!!!!! Right, tv time with DH, I think he's getting a bit jealous of my MNing... He's now talking at adverts or maybe me and I'm ignoring him... Waves nighty night to all of the other lovely ladies xxxxxx

ArtemisTheHunter · 17/04/2012 22:56

Wow lisa your mum has a great sense of timing... My friend doesn't have kids but not through choice, a decade of heartache and a scary number of mcs before deciding about 5 yrs ago to call it quits. She was terrific when I had my mc and is usually really understanding so I hope yesterday was just a blip... I don't bring it up unless she asks. She never had a problem getting pg and I think she's a bit frustrated at me winding myself up. I clearly haven't been through a fraction of what she has but it's not a competition is it?!

Glad you've had a good evening Princess. Mmm gelato. I finished the big posh Easter egg MrA got me and didn't save any for him, what a pig. I wonder how he tolerates me sometimes Grin

GinSoaked · 18/04/2012 09:00

Morning ladies! I'm trying to gear myself up for going back to work this afternoon, boo. Not. Looking. Forward. To. It.

euro well done on surviving the iui. Sorry to hear about your dh's results, although compared to Mr Gin's 3 million, they sound good to me! Fingers crossed for you. Had the cramping stopped? I didn't have any after ET but have been having some on and off since Sunday.

princess and lisa Shock at your mums! Princess I can't believe you got told off for leaving that party. FFS. And Lisa, disowning you?! My mum has been amazing. I've been staying at hers the last few days and she's looked after me so well. Had a little cry when I had to leave to come back to London, darn hormones!

critter wohoo for proper 2ww!

keepit enjoy Venice! The Hairy Bikers show was there last night and it made me really jealous.

artemis your comment about a quick pounce before MOTD is oh so familiar in this household! Many a swi has been refused due to that bloody programme being on Grin I can't believe your friend wasn't more understanding of your situation after what she's been through.

wine I'm sooooo pleased that they've tracked down the fugitive fibroid. I really hope you got some answers yesterday.

ladyg your poor DH. Did he manage to hide the pot when he bumped into his colleague? I have no idea how our dps manage to produce on demand. I know mine was v worried about doing it for the ivf. Although the word masterbatorium greatly amuses him!

joyce hurrah for your prog results! That's great. Maybe last time was a dud result?! And have you peed on a stick yet?! I would...

Hello to everyone I've missed!

This really is the longest 2ww EVAH! I just want to know if it's worked so I can move on with my life and plan what next drink wine I've been madly googling symptoms but basically it's impossible to tell. Being back at work will hopefully be a good distraction! And at least the cystitis seems to have cleared up. Anyway enough whining from me, hope you all have good days!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 18/04/2012 09:10

Morning lovely ladies!

This thread is moving so fast that I simply cannot keep up. It took me a good hour to read last night and as DH is struck down with man-flu he needed attention afterwards. So apologies for not name checking!

Sorry about all the insensitive parents. I cannot belief how inconsiderate some of them are. Even my PiL have been very considerate and that is not their strong point, my DH told them when my SiL got pg, as my MiL tends to go on and on and on and on and on about stuff in her life and the first grand child is a big deal in any family. At our request they have not been going on about it (although now the baby is threatening to become a premature, as SiL is not doing so well, it has become a topic of conversation with us, but just out of collective concern for the baby and not endlessly). They do not inquire after treatments (as per instruction) and thankfully did not root around in the fridge when they were here recently, so did not find my trigger shot - I was completely paranoid about that...

I am keeping fingers crossed for gin in her second WW and euro for the chauffeur-driven swimmers. I hope the WWs are okay!

I cannot believe you're in Venice artemis a cool name and an exceedingly cool location! I love it there. In fact, I love Italy. LOADS. Cornetti con crema with cappucino. HMMMMMMMMMMMM

On the topic of chasing DHs around the house for shag-week. I have to say the week after AF buggers off is so much better now we've moved into outsourcing. We actually commented the other night that intentless sex is just WAY better. We had been doing an every-other-day routine, more or less, since August (that sounds soooo long) and now that pressure is gone completely and life is a lot bit better for it.

I am so happy the fugitive was found wine. So what is the next step, is Dr Big removing it? And how do you feel now? Also well done on the amazing prog result joycep. I am impressed (and sort of considering acupuncture if this and the next IUI fail as well, I just don't have time for another 6 weeks or so).

Am loving the bunting, thanks pout (when was your l&d again?) and the fertility dance moves, whoever-came-up-w-that! Big waves to all and best get on with some work!!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 18/04/2012 09:11

X-post with gin. Great to hear your mum has been brill. But hiss boo to going back to work. Although it will make the WWs pass quicker. When is T-day?

mrsden · 18/04/2012 09:12

joycep that result sounds really good, woo hoo!

euro if your DH has a family history of prostate problems then I really would urge him to see a Dr. When DH had his checks they had a pretty thorough feel of his prostate because the Dr said it can cause problems, and I think low volume is one of the signs.

princess I have pcos despite not really having any of the classic signs. I'm slim and my periods are pretty regular, although I now know this means nothing. I'm sorry your parents upset you. I've not told mine, I think my mum would be ok but she'd want to know everything and would tell everyone all about it. She can't do discretion!

artemis that was a pretty awful thing for your friend to say. Maybe she was having a bad day and it came out wrong!

keepitgoing I wouldn't worry about the SWI and swab thing. I'm sure they've seen it all before. I hated it when I had to have the internal ultrasound for the follicle tracking and the Dr had told us to SWI every day so there would definitely have been some deposits there. Yuk.

wine I am so happy for you that DrBig has found the fibroid. Where exactly was it then? Why couldn't the others see it? Will they remove it now?

nelly I read your last line as "tuck up the breasts" I was thinking this was a new ttc craze I hadn't heard about!

We went to the info evening last night. It was pretty good and informative and the best thing of all is that I think it's finally got DH to accept that we're going to have IVF and he's seems raring to go now. I'll describe what the evening was like, in case you want to compare it to a UK clinic. Feel free to skip over it all if it's boring!

We got there at 7pm and were taken to a room where there were drinks and snacks laid out and chairs in a circle. There were only 6 couples including us, and I felt so nervous because I was thinking it looked like we were in group therapy. All the couples looked totally normal. I'm not sure what I was expecting but they didn't look like monsters or have barren across their foreheads. The head Dr of the clinic then gave us a very long presentation where he went through causes of infertility, lifestyle changes, what the clinic can do, investigations and treatments. Then he talked about their success rates . For IVF in couples over 30 the take home baby rate is 26% per cycle at this clinic. He said they are well above the national average. The twin rate was 20% I think. Then there were questions. I found this bit awkward because the couples were asking questions related to their personal situations and I wasn't comfortable doing that in front of strangers so I only asked a question about waiting times. I was really surprised that the others spoke at length about their problems. One woman said that they'd only been trying 9 months but that she was 39. Her DH said he already had children so they were certain the problem wasn't his. She started crying at this point and I really wanted to go give her a hug but she was at the other side of the room. Another woman said she had endo and was asking loads of questions about how much each procedure hurt because she'd found the HSG really painful. Judging by the questions they asked these women were not mumnetters because they seems way behind us in terms of knowledge about treatments. I felt like I could have given the presentation I know so much about it.

Interestingly, the DR made a big deal of saying that we all must make sure we have had our immunity checked for Rubella, chicken pox, whooping cough and Hep A and B before treatment. He also said we must be taking Folic acid, vit B6 and 12.

Then there was the bit that DH really enjoyed. We split into two groups and got given a tour of the clinic. We even got to go into the lab and he showed us inside a climate chamber where there were three petri dishes with embryos growing. And he showed us on the computer a speeded up image of the cells in those dishes dividing because they have a camera inside the chamber to record what's happening. The first one he said was a bad one but the other two looked good. I'm pretty sure the couple whose embryos they are didn't know that we'd all be peering at them. I was thinking how nervous that couple will be waiting for the call this morning. We got to see where the embryologists sit to do the ICSI and he told us that each microscope costs 100,000 euro. We saw the room where they do the egg collection and transfer, it's part of the lab really. The recovery room looked really nice. It's like a little bedroom with a big comfy bed and duvet and he said they keep you there for 2 hours after ec. Then we saw the men's room. They have a couch, and magazines and even a tv with porn video. And on the wall was a painting of a nude woman. All a bit odd. Poor DH! He did make a point of saying the room had two doors for privacy. But it's right in the middle of the clinic so not that private.

After the tour we got to ask the DR questions on our own. He said that we should only have to wait 3 weeks for the first appointment so that was good. He also said that the health insurance sometimes will pay half the costs of treatment and that they would write up a costed treatment plan and submit it on our behalf.

So, all in all it was positive. And I feel like we might be getting somewhere now after all this waiting time. DH and I are going to go along in person tomorrow to try and arrange an appointment. The clinic is only 3km from our home so it's nice and convenient.

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Purpledragon · 18/04/2012 09:21

Gin glad to hear the cystitis cleared up, god I hate that. When I was a teenager I could get rid of it just by drinking a ton of water, these days I need proper drugs.
Last night I was drinking some wine - my 'new' TTC plan involves cutting back on wine drinking, my weakness. Let's just say my success has been limited. So I'm on MN giving congrats to wine......on the wrong thread were I also admitted to drinking wine. Which clearly looked insane/drunk. Super. Anyway wine great news. I have a tilt too, I read it doesn't make a difference in terms of conceiving. Did you hear anything different?
joyce good news for you too.
Gin I hear you on the 2ww, the problem for me is I'm CD 4! So plan in run up to shag week...drink tons of water and grapefruit juice and take EPO to counteract the wine get me some CM not that it worked before

Waves to all.

princesschick · 18/04/2012 09:43

Morning all, just quickly checking in in-between work and getting the flat clean for two viewings this morning...[stressed face] Gin all the best with work this afternoon, hope it goes smoothly. I always get the 'back to school tummy' before going back to work. Weird really. Glad you had a lovely mum to look after you over your recovery period. TLC is definitely the way forward :) I wish my mum was a bit more sympathetic. If they find anything wrong she'll be good eating humble pie I think she needs proof that there is something wrong with you before she is willing to be kind thinks I'm a compulsive liar who gets off on attention seeking. The second part of your 2ww will fly and who knows, there could be a BFP waiting for you. Exciting! Grin
mrsden I've resigned myself to the fact that it's probably PCOS or something like that. If it is, I'm the first in my family. A PCOS pioneer. Yay me. However, scan tomorrow so trying.not.to.think.about.it.... Glad you had a positive experience at the fertility clinic and that your DH is on board. Where do you live BTW sorry if I've missed this earlier in the thread.
Waves hello to everyone xxx

eurochick · 18/04/2012 11:14

Artemis I'm stunned at your friend's comment. Does she think we don't understand how babies are made ffs?

princess my bmi is around 21-22 and my only visible symptom is a little hair on my chin. I seem to be at the lower end of the scale though, as no two consecutive scans can agree on whether both my ovaries or one (and then which one) are polycystic and I see to be ovulating every month.

Gin the cramping stopped about 24 hours after the procedure, and I think the last part of that was ov pain rather than IUI-related pain, but as one segued into the other, it was difficult to tell.

I'm glad the cystitis seems to have gone. When can you test?

princess and lisa I am amazed by the tales of your mothers! Mine hasn't been great but not on that level. Mine just seems to clam up when I start any conversation about ttc or my friends (who she has known for years) being pregnant or having kids. I'm not sure what the issue is. Maybe it dredges up painful memories (she had 3 miscarriages after me) or reminds her that she is old enough to be a granny (she has never taken ageing well). I want to get her on her own to ask her because it would be nice to have her support rather than this wall she puts up whenever the subject comes up.

mrsd taht all sounds really positive. I completely get this: "All the couples looked totally normal. I'm not sure what I was expecting but they didn't look like monsters or have barren across their foreheads. ". Whenever I am in a fertility clinic I can't marvel at how healthy and "normal" the other couples look. Like you, I really don't know what I was expecting!

In this country I think it is standard to check rubella immunity before fertility treatments (although if you need to have the jab, you have to take a couple of months off ttc afterwards so it was pointless in my case as I had decided I would decline the jab anyway. I have so little contact with children this wasn't reckless, but in the event I was fine.). They also checked for chlymidia (or however you spell it!), Hep B and HIV. The latter two are because there is a theoretical risk of transmission in the lab because of the way the embryos are stored, apparently. The others are not tested for here though and the only supplement generally advised is folic acid, as I thnk you know.

I haven't done any clinic tours. I ended up at the clinic where I did IUI because I was already seeing the immunology consultant there and as it was all a bit last minute I thought it easiest to stick with somewhere I was already registered. The clinic is new so it has no published IUI success rates, but the dr who did mine used to be at ARGC and Lister, so I figure he has plenty of experience at reputable clinics so my chances are as good there as anywhere. And we were just referred to my IVF clinic for my NHS cycle and not given any choice, so there was not really any point in touring the facilities.

princesschick · 18/04/2012 12:18

Hello ladies. Well one viewing down; one to go. I just thought that I would mention this, the guy looking at the flat has a wife and 2 children (3 and 6). We have a large 2 bedroom pad in the very centre of Brighton. It really isn't a family flat at all (the second bedroom is technically a dining room / office with sliding door onto front room) BUT he wants to bring his children up in a flat in an inner city area without a garden because he doesn't want to spoil them?! How does a garden spoil a child?! Answers on a postcard?! Confused Anyway. Can I ask Euro and MrsD (or anyone else with PCOS) are you being helped with PCOS? Or am I going to be fobbed off with "women with PCOS can have children it can just take more time"?????!!!!! I seem to remember reading something like that somewhere. I'm still hoping that I have some sort of skwiffy hormones that they can boost up with some pills. I doubt it will be that straightforward - but this is my rather negative approach to staying positive. DH has put me on a googling ban, so this is my only way of finding out!!!!!!

eurochick · 18/04/2012 12:24

Hmmm, well if you are ovulating PCOS shouldn't stop you getting pregnant (although wacky cycles might make timing swi intent more difficult) so that is the key question and your day 21 progesterone test should help answer this. I think they mainly try to help women who aren't ovulating because of the condition (one of my friends has one or two periods a year because of it). So they haven't done anything for me because everything indicates that I am - ov tests, temping, mid cycle scans and my progesterone test.

I have self-helped though. Acupunture seems to have helped regulate my cycles, as has taking agnus castus (on the advice of my acupuncturist). They were never that bad - I always got one approximately every month - but my cycles could vary in lenth by about 10 days. Now they only vary in length by about 5 days and my ovulation is very consistent - alternating between days 14 and 16. I try to eat a low GI diet as much as possible too as this is know to help PCOS as there is a link with the hormone insulin.

princesschick · 18/04/2012 12:38

Thanks euro. My periods have been like clockwork since I was a teenager, varying between 29 and 32 days. They came straight back in after my 2 MCs. They have only been messing me around since Feb. However, I've never had a positive OPK, I have lots of high days on the CBFM but no peak and my temp charts last year were really strange. I must have ovulated at some point to have been preg twice (doctor thinks that I may have had a chemical pg in Feb too). I've not had the 21 day test yet but I expect that's coming up later this month. Well, only time will tell I guess. I've started taking Agnus Castus and high concentration evening primrose oil on the back of my own research and am thinking that after my appt next week I may book in some acupuncture (still terrified of needles and royally putting this one off!!) I've read about the low GI diet, I'll mention it to the dietician next week. Really appreciate your help :)

MuddyWellyNelly · 18/04/2012 13:50

Massive speed read and post as mega busy. But LOL'd at mrsden "tucking up the breasts" if only they were big enough! Hooray for Dr Big and the Case of the Missing Broid. Hooray for good progesterone results and clinic tours. Boo to odd parents and painful wee.

I've been trying to cut down wine too but failing miserably.

Secret hobbling again tonight. Might post later as I tend to be on an adrenaline high when I get in. I may be garrulous! Oh did anyone read the thread about animals smelling their pregnancy. It was so sweet, but upsetting for obvious reasons. I read one post out to Mr Nelly about a very attentive Boxer. He made his Bear

MuddyWellyNelly · 18/04/2012 13:51

Secret hobbling??? I suspect that's a very different past-time!! Confused

Purpledragon · 18/04/2012 14:15

Secret hobbling, yes I know it...something to do with wine. I have been thinking about retesting all the basic fertility stuff because I did it and few years but. I hate the idea but slowly coming around to the idea that it might be wise. Anyway I had to submit some professional documents today and was told they had expired because i took the tests so long ago (and I thought they lasted forever). Now I have to take two three texts before 8am tomorrow. What a drag, think I've expired all around.Rubbish

eurochick · 18/04/2012 14:15

princess apparently EPO should only be taken pre-ov if you are ttc.

I've found acu helpful, as much for the "counselling" aspect of being able to talk to someone who knows about all aspects of fertility and has more time with my than the drs as for the treatment itself. But I am not at all bothered by needles. BTW, like anything the pain you feel from it changes at different times of the month. I think e.g. on your period you are more likely to feel pain from acu, leg waxing etc.

It sounds like you must be ovulating to be getting pg, so even if there is a bit of PCOS there it's unlikely to be a problem.

Enjoy your hobbling, Nelly!

mrsden · 18/04/2012 14:20

Grin at secret hobbling nelly.

princess My understanding is that pcos is only a problem for ttc if it causes you not to ovulate most of the time, or that it causes very late ovulation which means poor egg quality. I know that women with pcos have a higher chance of miscarriage due to the poorer egg quality of late ovulation. But if you ovulate ok then it's not a problem. And I'm sure there are lots of women with pcos that don't even realise they have it because they've conceived with no problems and won't have had hormone checks or scans. Dh has very low sperm count so we have to have icsi so there has been no point trying to treat the pcos. I got the impression from the gynae that the pcos wouldn't have stopped me conceiving if DH had decent sperm.

My positive mood from this morning has taken a knocking after hearing that someone I don't like very much is pregnant. I always run through a check list now to decide whether or not a pregnancy is "fair". This one definitely isn't. They've been together only 12 months, and he was with someone else when they started seeing each other. He already has a daughter, whose mother he cheated on. They both live pretty wild lives, drinking, smoking, rec drugs etc. But she's managed to get pregnant and her sister (who I do like) showed me the scan picture this morning. Apparently it was planned, and happened straight away.

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