TTC for 10+ months, part 4

[eurochick]

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

mrsden hope you managed to get the cleaning done- I'm a terrible procrastinator too. Im so glad I never had Internet at school or university, my grades would definitely suffered!

ginsoaked I'm also on the 2ww, due on anytime between Friday and Wednesday I think. Not doing any temping or charting at the moment. Had most cervical mucus on day 19 so hoping I come on more towards the Wednesday rather than Friday which is day 28 (obviously hoping I don't come on at all of course). I've had a couple of niggely pains in my stomach just under my belly button this afternoon and my back is a bit sore so I'm not too hopeful.

I'm looking forward to desperate scouse wives tonight as I live in Liverpool, will probably be cringing at the stereotypes but nevermind!

Hi cake, I'm due at pretty much exactly the same time as you - early next week! Really sore boobs at the mo and the odd womb pain, which I usually get the week before my period. It's funny how I never noticed these things before we were ttc! I'm always slightly hopeful, which I know is stupid as it's so unlikely for us... Want MrG's urologist appt to hurry up and arrive, so we can get onto the next stage whatever that might be!

Did anyone see that interview with Michele Roux in the paper at the weekend? Apparently his daughter was an ivf baby! Always makes me more hopeful when I read about such things. Although I guess as a celeb chef he has lots of dosh for ivf!

mrsd your ginger cake sounds yummy! I need to investigate gluten free cakes to feed a friend, which should be interesting as I'm not very good at cakes generally!

Hi ladies,

I'm also due on early next week. I'm hoping that this might be it, not that I have any symptoms, but it's clomid for me next week if AF arrives .

I'm from your neck of the woods too Cake, I only caught a bit of desperate scousewives last night & am not sure I'll be watching any more - I'm a bit lower maintenance than them!

I'm also on the ginger cake too! Thought about making my own, but decided to go down the Jamaican route instead - delicious!

Hugs to Wine & Kitty. I've had similar feeling about drifting from friends Wine, have you spoken to your friend at all? When I spoke to one of mine, she actually made me feel quite a bit better. She'd picked up on the fact that I'd been quietish recently & so in a strange way it helped to bring us closer again.

Hope we all have a good week.

Morning lovely ladies!

The only thing cheering me up this morning is the thought of mrsd 's gingercake, so I think I'll get on that (not-health) wagon as well. Although herbal teas are still not my favourite thing.

I am having a major strop-day, so won't be overly social, but well-done for counselling helping you to face Big Issues, wine. And also well-done for survived HSGs. I had a bit of bleeding on the day (bright red) and that was it. I recall.

No news here, CD 25 so AF expected between tomorrow and Sunday. And I am not allowed to hope, even if I really, really want it.

GRRRRRRRRRR

Returning to my grumpy corner and a quick wave to all of you.

Morning ladies.

I feel reasonably chirpy. I seem to be 99% recovered from last week's illness. My last big deadline of the year was met yesterday and I have next week off work.

I'm on CD15 and I feel like I am oving today.

Morning all. Things with me have been fairly quiet the last couple of days. Been very tired since staying up late on Sat night, so not really had much energy for chatting. Spending most of my day in work trying to stop yawning and look productive!

Fingers crossed for everyone not due AF soon. I'm trying not to think too much about ttc at the moment. I think I've convinced myself there has to be a problem or I'd be pg by now. I feel like I'm being insensitive and impatient though, as it's only been 14 months of trying. So, I've decided to sort of pretend we're not ttc, we're just having well timed sex, but still expecting my AF every month. Maybe it will hurt less if I don't expect anything to come of it. That way I can just wait for this consultant appointment in Jan, and move forward once we get there.

I have decided to get healthier though, and taken the first little step - I went swimming on Sunday, and going to try and go again tomorrow morning before work. I'm also going to start looking at making a meal plan for healthy lunches and dinners next week, and get in touch with the acupuncture place I researched. Also, what vits/supplements do people on here take? I've noticed B-vits mentioned a couple of times, but which ones, and what are they good for?

Well I'm also due early next week, but just went to the loo and found some (TMI) brown sludge in my knickers. WHAT THE FUCK is going on???? I'm on CD20 for fucks sake.

Can you tell I'm in a bit of a shit mood?

Everyone seems grumpy today. :(

Stasi re: supplements I am on agnus castus (tincture), under the advice of my acu, B6 (supposed to help with a short luteal phase), cinammon (supposed to help with poor circulation) and pregnacare conception.

The private gynae I saw last week told me to ditch the pregnacare conception and take pregnacare with omega 3 instead and add in vitamin D3 and low dose aspirin, so I have just started on the new regime. I'm carrying on with the AC (until I start ovulation drugs next cycle), B6 and cinammon too. I hate taking so many pills!

Sorry euro for being a moody cow, when you are feeling a bit chirpier as well. I will try to be a bit less of a grump

Mind you I stumbled upon a bus, which didn't help my mood. For balance I then went across to the infertility thread, which was equally painful, for opposite but obvious reasons. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet.

Here all is much better after a bit of a chat with a RL friend, a sneaky lunchtime swim, and some lovely coffee on the way back to the office. So, I'll stop grumping. Ignore both buses and infertility is my approach nelly because I agree too depressing for very different reasons. But brown sludge at CD20, that would mean implantation bleeding to my overactive imagination. But then I really do not have spotting or any other type of bleeding until 24hrs before AF arrives...

Good to hear you are feeling better, euro. You make me feel positively undedicated though - I take folic acid and that is it. And I often skip it in grump-moods, because I won't get pg anyways... (And then hope for an ironic BFP).

Hope you rest up soon stasi. Good work on the looking awake and sneakily snoozing. If it keeps your mind of TTC it has to be a good thing :)

General waves, hugs and gingerbread for the lovely thread!

Hi everyone,

I was on call last night, a lovely way to spend 16.5 hrs holed up on a hospital!

And as luck would have it AF actually appeared, I think I'm cd 83 or something?!? So that's good I'm onto another cycle, hopefully the met will do something wonderful!

Hi ladies, it has been quiet hre for a few days. Yes, i try and stay away from all those depressing threads but sometimes when I'm feeling really miserable, I go in there. It's like I enjoy torturing myself or something!
I don't know when AF will come for me. Any moment now I think. I never ovulated. I just want to get this cycle behind me. It's a waste of time.
Euro - what's the low dose aspirin for again?
Uuum egg - not sure what that brown sludge is. I would certainly be out buying a pram if that was me but ttc is such a head , I'm not sure what is what these days.
I'm feeling quite upbeat at the moment. I have decided to throw a xmas party and so will have fun making lots of mince pies and mulled cider for that in a few weeks. I've also realised which is a bit disturbing that i treat my hubby like a child. Does anyone else do this? I have been searching for an advent calendar for him and have this urge to get presents for a stocking. I honestly think my maternal side is so desperate that I am behaving as if he is a kid.

boss coming

joycep that's v cute about treating your husband like a child. I keep thinking about getting a cat as the focus of my affection but maybe I should try the husband instead as he is already there!

izzy that's good news about AF.

The aspirin thins the blood and is given pretty routinely for implantation failure and miscarriage. I self-medicated with it for a couple of cycles after a bit of internet research earlier this year and after I saw the NHS gynae he said it was pointless taking it so I stopped (I have to be careful with it as my husband is severely allergic to aspirin so I figured maybe it wasnt worth it). The private gynae said to take it. He's a consultant and the other one is a consultant's flunky, so I am following the private gynae's advice.

Haha lemon and Joyce, I cannot lie that my mind went there about 2 nanoseconds, before I virtually slapped myself and got back to reality. No reason why this month should work; my body has no doubt just dreamt up a new trick for head-fuckery

Laughing at lemon and the no Folic acid/ironic bfp, I do that too.

Very glad ERTD finally turned up for you izzy, but that's a long shift (the work one,and the 83 days!)

Gah stupid posting on phone, now I've forgotten what else I wanted to comment on.

I'm sorry some of you are in a grump today. I think I'll be heading that way in a couple of days as I approach AF.

euro how are the pregnacare different to the conception ones? I take a multi vitamin for women, it has all the same stuff as the pregnacare conception but at lower doses. I take pregnacare when I stock up in the UK. I do notice that my cycles are slightly shorter when taking it. Maybe it's the B vitamins . I think folic acid is the only one that is really essential. I stop taking it while I have AF because I'm like you lemons and think stuff it.

joycep I know what you mean about treating husbands like babies. I sort of do it too. I have a cat too who gets far too much mothering. I have asked DH if we could get a puppy because I'm sure that might be enough for me to get a BFP and then worry about how I'd cope with a baby and a puppy.

izzy I'm pleased AF turned up eventually. It must drive you mad to have to wait so long.

nelly I torture myself sometimes by reading some threads. The bus ones are so full of enthusiasm and excitement and every passenger gets their BFP or that's what it feels like. I don't feel ready for the infertility section yet.

Hi lovelies

Am sorry for those feeling crappy in the 2WW. It is such a horrible time, be kind to yourselves and try not to feel too despondent, we will make it in the end.

gin I always love to hear a celebrity infertility story (preferably one that ends with a baby) so will be doing some googling of Michel Roux Jr. Did any of you see the AIBU thread about wanting to jump his bones or similar? V amusing, he doesn?t do it for me but one of my colleagues thinks he is a hottie

mrsd that ginger cake sounds delish. I?ve looked on the bbc good food website but there are loads of them, can you remember which one it was?

euro about the chicken laying egg noises. Happy shagging!

stasi spending my work days trying not to yawn and giving the vague appearance of productivity pretty much sums me up at the moment, am very much in the doldrums with work at the moment which doesn?t help much with ttc distraction. I take pregnacare conception, vitamin E, agnus castus and evening primrose oil up to ovulation. euro can I ask why your consultant recommended your change you pregnacare to the omega 3 ones instead?

nelly do you know which day you ovulated? It does sound like your brown sludge (definitely a theme on the thread at the moment) would fit the timing of an implantation bleed, but I know that getting your hopes up can be worse than anything else so I will just quietly keep my fingers crossed for you.

izzy I?m glad AF appeared and fingers crossed for your next cycle.

I avoid the buses ? they just make me feel like it is all so unfair. And infertility is just soooo depressing, I just don?t feel ready to put myself in that category yet. It would feel like abandoning all hope.

joycep your Christmas party sounds really lovely. I?ve been having the odd slug of sloe gin here and there which always makes me feel Christmassy. The focus of all my maternal energy is my cat ? it is very sad, but she is like a child to me. I would fill the house with abandoned animals if I could, DH despairs of my constant pleas to take in rescued greyhounds and ex-battery chickens.

Am a bit annoyed with myself as I was having a month off but then on Monday I had some EWCM so we DTD. Think I might have ovulated late. So now I know I'm going to end up mentalling over the tiny chance that DH's one non-mutant might have got through my newly-sparkling tubes. Plus I have no idea when to expect AF. Just need to forget about it!

ginsoaked I totally fancy Michael Roux, masterchef is one of my favourite programmes! It is good to hear celebs talking about fertility issues.

pixiepops it was awful wasn't it. I can assure you that I too nothing like those girls; don't get me wrong I love my clothes and makeup- although I certainly do not have a 'scousebrow' or a bleached anus for that matter!

Anyway, I've got lower back pain today, usually a sign of AF for me :(

On a brighter note I'm off to Berlin tomorrow for a few days so will be AWOL for a bit x

Sorry - another me me me post :(. I've really had a grumpy day. I felt myself snapping first thing this morning; so assumed that as always that was my 7DPO meltdown. So that set me up to be in a foul humour all day. Then there was sludge. So I've now just bitten OH's head off and he doesn't know why. I had some complete rant at him about stuff that was unfair and not a little bit bitchy :(

Anyway, kitty I think I ov'd on Monday or Tuesday so 7 or 8DPO I think. But perhaps I didn't ovulate at all; or perhaps it was hideously early. Yet still I'm torturing myself by stupidly letting a tiny bit of hope creep in. This way misery lies. However I have partly decided to do a bit of POAS for the next few days. I never normally bother, but have had a couple of suspicious AF issues and would like to know if there are some CP's going on.

Will try my best to be cheerier tomorrow, and acknowledge others as opposed to just me .

euro happy shagging

Thanks ladies

Re: the pregnacare - he thought the omega 3 addition was good. I'm willing to go with it. I guess you could take omega 3 alongside your normal vits and get the same result but I didn't ask him about that.

I avoid the buses too. They are just too depressing.

I have a cat too, shes a bit like a challenging teenager, stays out all night brings back unwanted friends etc lol. (The challenging bit is she can be a bit handy with teeth and claws)
I also have bought advent calendars but we got one each.

I take tesco pg vits mainly because they are one of the cheapest and I want my money for the eventual baby, also it has selenium in it which I heard could help prevent cot death. Nobody has ever told me what to take as long as I am taking Folic Acid.

Hope everyone is feeling happier today.

Our cats are very much our babies . They are fun, loving, cure and cuddly, and when they pee on the curtains or deposit a headless mouse under the table I barely flinch. Just like children

I am feeling more balanced today, if not any happier. Bit more sludge today.. I forgot to POAS though!

Has anyone bought any fertility books, or preseed or anything?

Cute, not cure

Hi nelly. I think I'd have peed on about 10 sticks by now if I were you, but I'm a bit mental and have a pee stick addiction Fingers crossed for you.

I bought Zita west's book about ttc and have also tried preseed (told you I was a bit mental!) Zita's book was good, but now we know there's a problem it's not so much use. Explains how things work, hormones etc and there's a lot on diet, which I half hartedly followed one month but gave up with when it didn't result in a BFP (ditto pre seed)! Also have CBFM. Haven't given up on this yet, but not sure there's any point and could do with saving the ££s I spend on the sticks for it, so may give it up this month.

I'd love a cat/dog but MrG is allergic so we have a guinea pig instead! Totally our surrogate child!

It's the squidgy lemon ginger cake kitty. It is a bit fiddly to make because you have to grate the ginger, cut the apple and dates etc. But it is worth it!

nelly brown sludge sounds interesting. How many dpo are you?

gin I think Zita West's advice is ok if you're quite new to trying and need the basics explained. But once you know there is a problem then it's pretty useless stuff. I have a bit of a problem with how people make money out of those of us who are desperate to try anything. I wish there was more consensus on what we should do. Doctors can't even agree what supplements we should take!

Afternoon ladies!

To stay on topic, I too can report the appearance of brown sludge. Sadly on CD26, I know it is the beginning of my 24 hour spotting to be followed by AF to finish off our 17th month of TTC

But nelly 's sludge is exciting. Well done for the restraint so far. And I would recommend continuing that restraint until AF is definitely due. You can do it!

A quick general wave while I drown my sorrows with tea and biscuits at work...