TTC for 10+ months, part 4

[eurochick]

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

Morning everyone!

I haven't logged in for a few days as I'm trying my hardest not to think about ttc. But it's not working so I'm back again. I am very excited to see you back pout, we all wondered where you'd got to and this thread has missed you. I did think you might sneak back to tell us you'd got your BFP and had spent the last few weeks with your head down the toilet with morning sickness so I'm sorry this is isn't the case. I hope you're getting settled in your new home.

I'm sorry but this post is now going to turn into a self indulgent whinge. I had a bad day yesterday. First off, DH's sister told us that she's buying a new and bigger house because they want to have room for children. She's 3 years younger than DH so I'd thought we would have a bit more time to get pregnant before her but it looks like that won't be the case. I don't know why but this has really knocked me sideways, and she's not even pregnant yet. Then a friend popped in to see me and told me that she'd had a miscarriage 3 weeks earlier. It was a missed one and she only found out at her 12 week scan . I felt really sad for her because I can imagine how awful it must be to get that far on and to be so excited about the scan only to be told there is nothing there. She had to have an op to remove everything and she said that physically she felt fine now. She was also quite upbeat and optimistic, I suppose because they will try again and odds are everything will be fine. Also, she said that they'd got their BFP the first month trying so I guess she might not have to wait too long. Another friend had her baby yesterday, a little boy so that was some good news . It's funny that the births don't bother me so much although I do feel a bit sad when I see the post birth photos and wonder if it will ever be me.

joycep I'm sorry your eggs didn't pop. I think it's more likely to happen when multiple follicles ripen. Will you be going back for another chance at IUI?

karbea sorry that IUI isn't an option. I find it amazing that they need so many sperm for IUI, you'd think putting them right next to the egg would give them a head start. My gynae was willing to try it but I guess it probably is just wasting time. It makes me realise that we have no chance of a natural BFP if IUI isn't even likely to be successful with that number.

euro that sounds like you had a very productive appointment and that you are moving forward.

mrsh well done on getting through the hsg.

Hello to everyone else, I have only scanned through the posts so I'll go back and properly read them now.

I don't think I'm going to ovulate this month, CD 18 and no temp rise yet. That means I won't be pregnant at Christmas which I suppose does have an up side as I can eat and drink what I want and not worry about the flight doing some damage. But it is depressing to think another Christmas with nothing to show for trying.

Hi ladies, Just a quick one as I'm away with work and on the crappy hotel wifi.

Welcome poppy and sorry to hear of your situation.

MrsHY - Glad everything went ok today for you and that you saw the consultant. I've no experience with clomid so cant advise you there but agree with the ladies who have said that I?d be worried about taking the higher dose without monitoring.

Euro - glad that you had a good experience with your appt - sounds much better than the NHS system. In between Christmas and New Year will be our last shot before IVF (if all goes to plan) and we'll be staying with the in-laws, maybe we could fix a date for the MILs to meet up to get them out of the way??

karbea - Wow, that's a speedy decision - all I know is that I was in shock when IVF was mentioned as our best option. I've read somewhere that every couple going through IVF should be offered counselling but I must say I feel this has only been mentioned in passing so far rather than offered as something we should do before we start.

I must admit that I'm still switching between just wanting to get on with it and then being confused about whether I want to do it at all. Part of me thinks, if it's not meant to be then just let it be that way but then the other part of me says where would people be without intervention these days. Think I'll stop there at the risk of getting a bit deep on a Tuesday morning.

wine - I've got my first acupuncture appt this evening. Looking forward to it even more after reading your experience and the support you've had. If nothing else, I'm hoping it improves my circulation... my hands and feet are always freezing, which is not good is this cold foggy weather!

I obviously meant Wednesday morning... have a good day ladies

TMI, mememe post alert!

Things are not looking good for swi this month. I have a somewhat embarrassing problem - either a giant haemhorroid or polyp that is absolute agony. There is no way I can dtd. I suffer from piles from time to time (years of IBS) and have had a lump (polyp) removed surgically from there before because it just wouldn't heal over and was bleeding all the time. But this is much larger than anything I have had before. Even walking around the house is excrutiatingly painful. I am staying home today and hoping that a very quiet day eases it a bit. It came on yesterday and I was uncomfortable all day at work but it is even worse today. It is looking like a trip to the GP tomorrow might be necessary.

I'm on CD 9 and don't think I will be doing it with anything more than a turkey baster this month! Dammit.

Mornig Ladies, busy thread since this morning.

Firstly euro - I am so sorry about your problem. Can you not get to a GP today or a walk in centre? TTC takes up so much bloody time as it is that to add other problems in to the mix is just not fair. I really really feel for you, I'm all too familiar with painful things going on at the back door...piles and fissures is a common problem for me. Hopefully, it will clear up soon. I'm not sure what to suggest apart from applying some germoline cream or something...

mrsd - I'm sorry about your horrible day yesterday. I do get envious of people who buy bigger houses for kids even though they don't have kids. It's just a sort of blissful place to be in - that it obviously doesn't cross their mind that it might not happen. I'm glad DH and I never had the money to get a bigger place because I wouldn't want to be racketing around a 3bed+ place right now.
NO more iui for me. I've given it 2 goes. I just want to flush out my system now. I'm going to go woo for the next 6 months - a bit of acupuncture, meditation and zumba dancing for me. I sort of will know then there is nothing else i can do. There clearly is something else going on.

kitty - am interested you are cold as well. I get so unbelievably cold that i wonder whether the lack of circulation going around my body is playing a part in things. I cover my legs with my coat at work and i have the radiator on by my feet.

wine - my temps are very low and so i know i haven't ovulated. That's great you have a soothing acupuncturist.

Pout - goodness me, how can you have 3 colds in 6 weeks? You should definitely get yourself signd up to a GP to see if they can investigate endo further. I'm sad that we won't hear any more stories about you flashing your boobs to your neighbours as they walk past the window . But it's good that you have moved on from doing that. I haven't quite learnt not to touch myself up at work but I'm certainly better than I was. I do think as time moves on that it becomes easier than those earlier months. Having said that there are still some dark days.

mrshy - so glad your hsg went ok. Now sorry to be so frank but aren't people with tilted uterus' suppose to have swi doggy style? It means the man can deposit his stuff right at the entrance. Sorry !!
As for taking 150 clomid with out a scan....it's unadvisable but that's the sort of thing i would do. I have read others asking that question on MN and they do get slammed for asking it. I guess you just don't know how your body will react to extra clomid.

Morning ladies. Goodness there are loads of posts so apologies for not name checking everyone.

Hello Mrsd. No I haven't been hanging over a toilet, just trundling around all the relo's with a car full of stuff and a blow up bed! I'm sorry that you had such a crappy day. I understand about how you feel about your SIL. I can't help but feel the pressure to get updiffed before anyone else announces it. It sounds awful but a family member just got married and I just know that a baby will be next on the agenda. I love her dearly and wish all the best for her but I feel panicked that it will probably be her turn before mine, like it seems to be everyone else's turn before mine.

Christmas looming without a BFP is eating me a bit too. Another one of those dreaded milestones. I so believed that last Christmas I would be pregnant and when I wasn't I consoled myself with the thought that next Christmas I would definitely either be updiffed or have a newborn. Pah!

kitty & Joycep The cold thing is interesting. Did I read on here that there is a Chinese alternative medicine theory about how bad circulation causes a cold womb that does negatively impact when TTC?

Joycep Glad that you are flying the flag still for 2ww boob prodders Extra kudos for at work boob prodding too!

Euro Gosh, what utterly shite timing. I had something similar back in the Summer. Dr Google diagnosed a little external haemhorroid. Like Joycep suggested I tried Germoline because it has a numbing agent. It went down enough to be able to sit down comfortably and SWI after 3 days so fingers crossed yours hurries up and bogs off too & you catch OV.

wine I love the sound of a yantra mat.
Who invented woodwork??? I have seen one of those spray paint guns on tele and so want one. Just imagine the carnage I could cause with one of those. Anything wooden in the house would get an interesting painted effect just because I could [GRIN]

Lemons Glad you are having a better week at work! BTW I think Nelly started the snakes in a pram (so can't take credit for her comic genius!), I'm just mad dog woman not yet in a pram but it could soon be a distinct possibility! My dog had a sore foot that he kept mithering so we bandaged it and taped a baby sock to his foot. Sadly I got ridiculously over involved in the choosing of said socks and ensured that they were blue for a boy and had a little doggy pattern. Oh dear!

I'm so glad that HSG's went okay and hope that someone proves the theory of increased fertility afterwards

mrsden sorry about your SIL. That would've upset me too, just the sheer confidence that they would buy a huge house before they were even upduffed with the first baby.

When I was at the wedding on saturday I had to cope with a close friend, who is aware of our situation, talking to me about how upset she was because they've been trying for two months . She was trying to be kind about it (I'm so upset after two months, I can't imagine how hard it must be for you' etc) but she was hammered and saying some really tactless things, eg that she felt like such a massive failure and how must I be feeling I handled it quite well actually but I just kept thinking to myself that the next time I speak to her she will probably be telling me she's pregnant and saying how worried she was about telling me etc...aaargh!!

euro I am really sorry about your ouchy situation, sounds miserable and I hope you feel better soon.

pout you should definitely get a woodwork gun!

I think it was skeleton who dreamt up snakes in a pram wasnt it? [puppy dog eyes emoticon] in case she is lurking and could be enticed back onto the thread.

waves to everyone else.

Hi ladies - very quick post from me as I'm on the train but just wanted to say sorry about my post from this morning, I don't think the page had refreshed since yesterday so I missed lots of posts including ones from mrsd and lemon. I wasnt ignoring you :(

I'll read properly when I'm home tomorrow morning and think I'll stick to posting on my computer at home from now on x

Thanks joycep. I have heard about doggy style for tilted uterused ladies and we have tried it that way on that basis (although only a couple of times). However, ahem, OK I'll just go right ahead and say it - when it's over there doesn't seem to be a way I can resume a lying down position without having all the, er, fluids drain out. And my logical mind tells me that's not a problem given its the first spray that counts (sorry, this is turning into a truly diabolical post), but my dappy TTC addled brain makes me want to rest my forehead on the bed with my arse in the air for half an hour which is a) ridiculous, b) cold and c) thoroughly embarrasing.
Jesus, maybe the frittata method is the way forward.
Oh, and thanks too for the Clomid advice. I think I may try upping the old dose, but on the strict proviso that I'll get a private ultrasound down cd12 or so to check I'm not brewing loads of oeufs.
x

Sink down to lay on your front and then slowly roll over?

mrshy we did it doggy style last month and I remained in the appropriate position for some time afterwards which was as you say cold, embarrassing and uncomfortable - but mainly cold. The things we do, we'll be making that frittata next :)

Kitty perhaps I could ask hubby to drape a blanket over me? Thus keeping me warm and preserving what's left of my dignity?
Euro that could well work. I will attempt and report back when swi (by the way, what does that stand for?) starts in earnest next week :-)
x

MrsH it works for me! But then I don't tend to get huge amounts of leakage anyway. It mostly seems to stay put until I relax my muscles to wee. I put this down to Mr euro's thick sperm (this is a reference to the high viscosity on his last SA) but I'd love to think it is really due to my mega pelvic floor control.

swi=sex with intent. It's a great acronym! I hate DH and DC, etc (ick) and refuse to use them but swi is an MN acronym I like.

mrsh it is sex with intent. Or maybe it should be sex with insistence. Or indifference! I like the thought of my eggs as oeufs.

I've been smiling at remaining in position hoping it all stays put. And, how could mother nature pair cystitis and waiting not to wee to keep it all in place? I actually have thought of shoving a mooncup up there as I've struggled to tiptoe to the loo whilst squeezing it all in! I always fail.

joycep bummer temp didn't go up. But I like your plans for the next 6 months. Time for body rests and hanging loose. I'm not sure I'm ever going to stop feeling like that!

euro ouch to your predicament. As an ibs companion I have been there and it is rubbish! I always thought constipation got you into that place but I get the opposite and the end results are the same. Ow. Sudocream is very good, if you can bear to wander around the baby section. Sometimes it goes as quickly as it started, hope you get back to normal and in the mood.

mrsden scowl for you with regards to the looming feeling of twinkles in people's eyes becoming bumps. It is just horrible but, your time will come, I'm sure of it.

lady gee and kitty I am a cold fish and my acu wants to figure it out too. But I do think a lot of ladies are? But I've been told it's Raynauds as I think we've chatted about before. But it's not just extremities, it's all of me, I'm just a very cold person! But the yantra mat has sent me to bed with warm feet for three days now. Dh is very pleased as I like nothing more than to drape my cold bits all over him in bed. It only fair he was also shocked by my first warm feet in forever. I'm a bit spooked out at the yantra power!

pout I want a paint gun! It reminds me of the make up gun homer designed and blasted marge with.

lemon hello to you, can I steal some warmth?

Cd11 here. I'm a bit blah blah blah yeah whatever about ttc today. Unbeknown to dh, I'm only doing it on even cycle days this month. And all even days must be adhered to! I hope I don't seem like a hot and cold wife! But if I told him, I know he would think I'd finally lost the plot.

I have chilli in my eye.

Wine, I've only been doing it on odd days this cycle, I might give your method a go next month though, it sounds like fun

No okey cokey Pout , though the hsg experience has led to me indulging in some post sex jiggling & has also led to a new concern about gravity potentially making life difficult for DP's swimmers if I sleep on my side. It's all getting a bit much .

Thanks ladies. As a long term IBS sufferer, I am used to the odd bit of bum discomfort but this is a whole new league. Walking from my bedroom to the kitchen left me in so much pain it was making me feel nauseous! It has come on really quickly and I have no idea what caused it. I am quite perplexed by it. I just hope I don't need more surgery. Last time I had a lump removed from there it was awful. I had to use local anaesthetic before going to the loo and even then I could feel the stitches tearing through my skin.

Oh I can't keep up! And now my laptop battery is about to die so hello everyone, will try better tomorrow

PS euro the boots cream has lidocaine in it. Though you probably already knew that

That should be Boots. As in chemist, not footwear. I'm leaving now, honestly

Morning lovelies!

Really sorry about your issues euro. Did you get an appointment to sort it out? It sounds truly awful. And I feel sorry for the cold bunch of ladies with IBS and familiarity with these problems. It is :( Oh and mrsd totally sympathise; actually, this is what our in-laws did. Buy a big house, get married, get pregnant. All while we were trying... And I do hate people who feel confident enough to act in that order. But then most do achieve it within a year...

Nelly you should totally entertain me today - I have worked really well this week, so I could do with some entertainment, while I work from home.

Loved all of your post wine; the sex on even days, and pixie taking care of the odd days actually made me laugh out loud. Thankfully I am at home!

Oh and on stress about everything falling out after the deed mrsFrittata and others, that is the one thing where having the disproved and particularly undignified PCT helped me to let go of. I don't have amazing pelvic muscles (wow euro) so I spill, as it were... But the PCT showed remarkable numbers of swimmers in place, even after the night and the early morning pee. So now I am not so worried about that. Also because the very nice gyn who did the stupid test explained a lot about cervical mucus and its semen catching skills, that seems somehow unsuitable for the Thursday morning... But then I have a mental image to join my others of kitty staying "in position" with or without a blanket draped over her. I find that quite entertaining, if I am honest!

Less fun are the recurring colds pout. And I would get yourself registered ASAP, so you can take endo-stuff further. Better to know, I guess. Sorry I wrongly associated the snakes with you. They were highly entertaining. But indeed, where is skeleton?

And for the duff cycle that cost you loads joycep. Good plan on the pre-IVF health kick. I might join you in the new year (although I am already doing yoga twice a week and it is quite tiring and gives me sore limbs all the time).

PS Can I have a paint gun too, please?

Thanks ladies. I feel a bit better this morning. I think being horizontal (in bed) helps, so I am staying off work for another day and taking it very easy.

I've never tried the Boots cream (although I have tried most other brands!).

I'll do whatever it takes to get better so I can get one or two bouts of swi in before ov! Day 10 now and we would usually be going for it by now!

Mornin' ladies.

euro - glad you're feeling a bit better. It sounds horrid. Staying at home sounds like a very sensible plan. I hope it clears up soon and you feel well enough to get some swi in at the key time

lemon - You have me intrigued with talk of cervical mucus and semen catching... I knew that the eggwhite CM is good as the consistency is similar to semen, but semen catching sounds far more technical! Oh, and what's a PCT?

Mrsd - sorry you had a rubbish day. And sorry about your SiL - I think it's the confidence in people's planning that gets to me the most. I remember coming back from skiing last year and my sister's boyfriend saying they wouldn't be coming next year as they 'had other plans' - sure enough there'll be a baby here by March. Ho hum. I know what you mean about pregnancies, and actually people's intentions, being more distressing than the actual babies. The more pregnant my sister gets, the more I feel genuinely happy for her rather than asking 'why not me'

kitty joycep wine - we have mentioned the cold thing on here before but I still find it fascinating. Between that and IBS there must be a few links to ttc?

Had a rubbish trip away with work over the past two days, culminating in missing my train home so missed my acupuncture appointment. Swi was supposed to start last night but we were both too tired and generally feeling not in the mood at all. We should be going for it this month (before IVF) and it's almost like there's too much pressure to even try?

Hoping my rearranged first acu appt this afternoon will give me the kick up the bum that I need to start thinking more positively and improve my healthy lifestyle efforts.

lady a PCT is a post-coitum-test. And it does what it says on the box . The test is taking some CM out about 12 hours after SWI and counting the lively swimmers in there. I cannot remember the details, but it was something like that the actual swimmers get taken up in the CM, whereas the "transporting liquid" then falls out again. As does all the excess CM. I think.

Shame about the rubbish trip and the missed train. Hope the acu does some good. And OMG last cycle before IVF already. Things are moving along quickly for you! Hope you feel more up-beat after today's acupuncture.

Hope you feel better soon euro and I am crossing fingers for some SWI when you can (or for a late-ish egg, which may help as well).

Firstly hahah at all the doggy style dribbling dilemmas mrshy - your post did make me giggle. I do not do this style unless the lights are well and truly off. I do these very weird movements to try and get back down in to a lying down position without losing the treasure. It never really works!

Ok I had a bit of a sleepless night last night and so I did some investigating in to what Pout mentioned above about a cold womb. And she is right. Apparently you can have a cold uterus and this doesn?t make it good for ttc. Zita West mentions it in her book apparently and drinking Ginger tea is very good to warm you up. Also, you?re not suppose to drink cold liquids which puts a spanner in the works with drinking lots of water.... I?m clearly overthinking all this. But I agree lady can it be just a coincidence that so many people on here have Raynauds and there are a lot of ?cold? people. Ok, i?m going to slap myself for googling too much.

Euro - am pleased you are feeling better this morning.

Lemon - sorry what is a pct test? [pricks up ears as soon as I hear of a test that I haven?t had ]

ok just read your post lemon - ignore my q.