Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

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New thread for some serious metalling. We are ramping up the amps and churning out some Metallica, Nirvana, ACDC, Stone Temple Pilots... with the occasional 90's rave music!!

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us in the WTF cycles with the odd VIP ticket to the padded cell for some serious mentalling (now known as Metalling)

Welcome!

Happy Friday all...roll on the weekend and half term for those with LO's in school and easy traffic for the rest of us

Thanks so much for all your kind words?I felt really bad for keeping you all waiting yesterday

Martha hope you have a lovely weekend away!!

baby how are you doing? When?s your MW appointment?is it next week?

pie about your Granny?really hope she starts to get a bit better now she?s in hospital and that all?s well next week whilst you?re away! My Grandad isn?t very well at the moment but is 1000?s miles away deep in the Southern Hemisphere where my Mum lives so I just get long-distance updates but it?s so hard not knowing how much longer he?ll keep going (he's 95 now)!

I?m feeling all a bit on Tuesday the MW put me at 8+2 when I thought I was exactly 8 weeks (based on LMP), the sonographer then put me at 8+4 yesterday though not sure whether he based that on what he saw/measured or whether he just added 2 days to what the MW had written! My confusion stems from the fact that if I count backwards using their dates I end up before my LMP started so a bit odd?they changed the EDD as a result as well from 31/05 to 27/05?!?! I don?t mind too much at the moment but obviously it will have a bearing later on if I end up being late etc WRT how long they leave it to happen naturally etc. I guess this should all get ?ironed out? at the 12w dating scan?! Also just found out that the sonographer we saw yesterday was the same one who told my friends they were going to have a little DS who turned out to be a DD and had to leave the hospital in a babygrow covered in tractors to go home to her nice nursery decorated in blue He was very swift with the scan I must say!! I had barely realised all was ok by the time he'd finished!!

Ooh ooh... I x-posted too!!

pie Try to stay calm if you can...deeeeep breaths....I found that using a digi each week for the first few weeks and watching the 'number of weeks from conception' going up each week very comforting so might be worth a try. Huge congrats though!!

Ohhhh pie yeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

So excited for you although I also totally understand the metalling. Keeping all crossed for you. I think the B6 is absolutely fine to keep taking and looks like it has worked its magic already (agreed on the hair/nail front!)

blue fantastic news about the scan, wonderful

scarlet sorry to say welcome :(

Two totally understand needing to get your head in the right place before starting again. First AF after MC totally floored me and brought back all the awful feelings.

Had dinner with some girlfriends last night who know what has happened. Turns out 3 people from our extended gang also had MCs. I am beginning to realise how very common this in having thought I was the only freak in real life. So sad that others are going through this misery.

Off for my fanny cam at 3pm today and strangely looking forward to it

Planning to give my womb a jolly good talking to on screen about how we treat guests in this house going forwards.
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend, I have a hen night (which I had been worrying about when pregnant last time thinking how I was going to cover up the not drinking :(

Thanks peeps!!! I think given my shitty shits FSH level (12.7 - so seems to be a miracle I even conceived judging by what i've read online - they won't even consider you for IVF with those kind of numbers) and crap progesterone this feels like a bit of a miracle, but it's only one step on a very long road that I need to make it safely down! I am sure that the vitamins have helped though (conception multi-vits, 500mg of vitamin C, extra Vitamin D3, 50mg of B6, oh and the manuka honey and acupuncture! but who knows, I managed to conceive before without rattling like a junkie!!)

I have my follow up appt at the fertility centre next month (how ironic to conceive the month we start having all the tests and DP had to produce a sample at the hospital, he said it was utterly AWFUL and he had sore nether regions for a few days afterwards as it took him a while in the 'environment'!)

I know this elation might only last a short time and a repeat occurance of what happened in May might come and bite me on the bum, but I need to try and stay positive!

far good luck with the dildo cam! I had one recently at the clinic and it was really good seeing everything, that's when she saw my follicle and said I should go home and have sex that night! Hope the hen night goes well x It wasn't until I had had the m/c that I realised how many of my friends have had one or two. I can now count 7 friends that it's happened to, it's so horribly common :(

blue I think a couple of days out is fine. I wouldn't be concerned unless it was more than a week. The 12 week scan with DS brought me forward 5 days than what my LMP was showing plus I pretty much knew the day I conceived and when he was due. I think different areas have different guidelines with how long they let you go overdue. In Grampian it is 12 days, I think some places it's 10, and some 14. My friend didn't get induced until she was 17 days overdue (no beds)!!! Sorry, I have digressed! Are you going to find out the sex if you can?

pebs are you using FF or anything to chart your cycles? if you are waiting a couple of months for the mega folic acid to get in your system that ties in nicely with being able to have a few glasses of fizz at Christmas! :) Fingers crossed you get a New Years bpf xx

Oh my my my Pie! Congratulations lady! Big all round. Don't worry about symptoms, it's far too early. I had nothing until about 6 weeks.

Scarlet your story is so sad, I hope you get some answers soon. As the others have said, this is a great place to be and a lucky thread. Welcome to our mosh pit

Great news Blue, I would wait to see what they say at the 12 week scan re. dates. Based on the scans my dates are all over the place but I know when I Ov'd due to the OPKs so my MW is happy to go with what I think even though the sonographer said that wouldn't be possible.

IQ what a mare you've been having with work. Hope HR are helping and you're getting it sorted? I really struggled after DD was born and was completely shocked at how out of control I was, so I would take all the help you can get in the early days. We ended up getting a postnatal doula for two half days per week. She was an absolute godsend as DH had to go back to work before his paternity leave had ended. She really helped with breastfeeding (I struggled), settling baby and helping with washing etc. If you can afford to get someone, even just a cleaner, I would definitely recommend it.

19 weeks for me today, heard baby's heartbeat with my doppler last night. 140 bpm so right on the deciding line between boy and girl . My anomaly scan is on the 9th of Nov which seems like ages away.

i do use fertility friend. my temp was up again this morning so thats a full week now. just need af to arrive next thursday/friday and i will have had a lovely proper cycle! ov'd on day 20 but thats not too bad is it?

marathon glad you heard the heartbeat. i have never had that pleasure as the midwife at my 16 weeks appointment couldn't find it last time so i had to go for an emergency scan instead. can't wait to hear a heartbeat one day! 9th november isn't really that far away!

got accupuncture tomorrow but now i know i have ov'd i don't really want to go. it's £30 a time and i am not sure if i am getting anything out of it anymore. i only went to get my period back. might just go for one last time and see what the guy says.

pie WOO HOO!! I had a sneaking suspicion when your progesterone results came back but didn't want to get your hopes up. I'm over the moon for you and on stand by for lots of hand holding. As I said upthread it's ok to keep taking the B6 if you wish.

peb If you think you've gotten all you can out of acupuncture, then you probably have. Lots of people find the sessions helpful in that they totally relax (and that's not to be underestimated) but, again, if that's not the case with you then perhaps explore other avenues? Or just save the money! O'ing on CD20 is absolutely fine - all my children have been conceived there or thereabouts.

marathon I think my NT scan is on the 9th November!

fall Have, uh, fun with the fanny-cam

Blue Maybe the baby implanted a couple of days earlier than is 'usual' and therefore giving you a slightly bigger than expected bub. The sonographer would have taken dates from their measurements, not the MW's notes. They will ask you what you think you are (or check your notes for it) and then tell you the GA by measurement. Although at this point they are still weeny, growing approx 1mm per day so even just being 2mm out on measurement will alter your dates by two days. So in as much as early scans are 'accurate' for dating, they are only as accurate as the equipment, and the very human sonographer. I really wouldn't be worried by being out a few days either way.

Hey, don't think I mentioned I'm going to the Royal Albert Hall on sunday for 'The Matrix Live'. I know I'll probably sound weird by admitting that The Matrix is right up there on my list of favourite films, but I've admitted worse on here before so what the hell! Yeah, the 'live' twist is an orchestra there playing the soundtrack (well, most of it I assume) so it's just something a bit 'different' to do. Still most days feel pretty shite by the evening (seem to wake up ok and go downhill from there) so hoping it holds off a bit for Sunday! (ten weeks today, btw!)

Just a quickie as am typing on phone but a big whoop whoop for pie awesome news

manda that does seem quite possible that little bean got itself comfy early on as I got my bfp 2 days before AF was due! Interested to see what the 12w scan shows...guess it's not an exact science! Hope you have fun at 'The Matrix' and manage to stay awake. DH wants to take me into London for the day tomorrow (so i have had to cancel my hair appointment...grrr) but I am so so tired today I'm now worrying that i won't have the energy. He doesn't seem to have fully started to comprehend how tired I am during the afternoon as well as during the evening!! I even tried to have a nap in the car at lunchtime (moved car to a different car park on the business park first ) and just staring at my screen this afternoon...my most productive time is on MN as my brain can deal with that...with work I just end up feeling and a bit frazzled!!

pie really hope you're doing ok and not metalling too much...when are you off on hols? Hope you have a great week!!

Right...back to screen staring being busy at work?!

Pie that's brilliant so happy for you! Things are looking good for B6 babies

Just a quicky to say all good with fanny cam, normal lining, no fibroids, lots of follicles (yay)
I have a retroverted uterus but again apparently 1 out 3 do and should not cause probs.
One ovary slighly polycystic but nothing to worry about apparently. My bloods came back normal but I did suspect it given my hairy chin and spots post pill!!

Will discuss it with the consultant anyway.

Blood test results and tricklng through and clotting results all seem normal. I am tempted to start the SWI this month with a bit of natural progesterone cream!

Have a fab weekend all, having to dash out to this hen weekend now

Have a great weekend all.

Thanks for the welcome. Congratulations PieMistress.

I'm sorry I don't know all your stories. Sorry to hear about yours Pebspop. I do not want to wait to TTC, everything in me is telling me to TTC. I don't know much about the blood clots thing but I am taking comfort in having had my DD without any problem. My personal theory is that I have a uterine structural abnormality (there is some evidence for this) but again, having had my DD full term and healthy weight/straight forward natural birth at home there seems no reason for me not to be able to do this again as long as a baby implants in the right place for me. Again we will need to wait and see, but TTC feels right for me and how quickly my body has gone back to 'normal' kind of goes with that. I've a flat stomach again, lost all the pregnancy weight, stopped bleeding and had pleasurable relations, all within a week, really. Wasn't expecting it but the same happened with my full term birth so who knows. Also I conceived my DD quickly after my first MC so maybe that's a factor psychologically, it is for my DH certainly.

Pleased to be here, in a roundabout kind of way. Fingers crossed for us all x

Hi to all - been busy enjoying my birthday today ....not exactly the same without DH but sis has been here to keep me entertain which has been brilliant as usual!!!

Congratulations pie - whoop whoop!!!my symptoms didn't kick in until nearly 7 weeks so try not to stress on that count. Sorry to hear about your granny, hopefully a little hospital help will be all she needs to put her back on her feet.

blue so pleased your scan came back fine and everything is going well for you!!! To be honest scans seem to be a bit quick with the nhs - I felt that my private one was the best so far and that was only 9+2....try not to worry about it and just focus on your good news!! Xx

scarlett so sorry you find yourself here but welcome to the mosh pit.

two sorry you feel you need a break but everyone has to manage their grief so just take care of yourself and hope to see you down the road somewhere!!

far it really isn't funny but I did smile at the 'fanny cam' and you giving your womb 'the talk'. Glad that everything seems to have come out clear for you.

marathon yeah work is doing my head in but I'm sure I will manage to get myself through all this. I have my sister coming to look after me which will be fab as she always knows what to say to keep me going and knows exactly how I like everything done around my house.

manda matrix live sounds like fabulous fun....hope you manage to stay awake. I've had 2 very short naps today which have helped get me through the day.

Love to all and sorry to everyone that I haven't name checked xxx

Hi all

pie absolutely fantastic news!

scarlett welcome and lots of luck with the babymaking. I feel the same, want to ttc straight away (been two weeks) but haven't stopped bleeding grrrr dragging on way too long for my patience!

2ww sorry you're leaving but your post made sense. It has ti be the right time.

Up early-ish here with a cuppa and three sleeping bears upstairs. Just can't sleep any more, think I've just hit a down bit, feeling all teary about the mc again. This past week hasn't helped, extremely emotional and stressy week with one scummy ignorant family in ds1's school spoiling school life for everyone, yet again. So upsetting to see our lovely school in the papers and on the news just because of them. So glad it's half term now, we all need a break to calm down :(

wellies sorry you are feeling down about the mc. it's only been a couple of weeks so be kind to yourself. of course you are going to feel upset but it does get better. what's been going on at the school?

i got af this morning. not sure whats going on as i thought i ov'd last friday so it's only giving me a lp of 7 days. will have to carry on charting and see what happens next month.

does any one know how i can increase my lp. will ask my accpuncture guy today. can your lp change after mc? mine must have been ok before as i got pg twice and carried to 11weeks and 20 weeks. i assume lp defects cause early miscarriages.

anyway, off to accu now so will catch up properly when i get back.

Sorry you're feeling down wellies. I'm feeling down as well. I want a baby so much, which is a very new feeling for me, but I don't want any baby, I want my baby, and not really a new one, my lost baby. I want him back. It's a very special kind of hurt isn't it :( Thinking of you.

I don't know much about charting pebspop, but I hope you got some answers from the acupuncturist. I'm feeling a little frustrated not knowing what my cycle will do, and I'm feeling the pressure a little bit from DH. Because we conceived in the first cycle after my first miscarriage and that resulted in DD, he has his mind set that we'll conceive right about now and everything will be fine this time. I don't think he's letting himself think otherwise, even suggesting it's my body's way of somehow clearing out and getting ready to make a full term baby. Which makes no sense at all.

Does anyone know anything about increased fertility directly after MC? I do believe in it - for me - as we only DTD once after my first MC and didn't try it again for a while as I didn't find it enjoyable, and DD was the happy result - considering it took 18 months to conceive the miscarried baby that was quite astonishing. But of course it could just be a coincidence. And my first MC was a natural one at home, whereas this one was a hospital managed induced malarkey, though luckily straightforward and without the need for much more than a prod in the right (wrong) direction.

Sorry I'm rambling. I'm still less than two weeks out from the MC, still telling friends and family our baby is gone when we should be winding up for the 20 week scan next week. I know you can't control fertility but I'm so ready and the faster it happens for me the more time I'll have to spend with the baby, as I'm on a career break with a fixed deadline return - I have to have a baby now or soon or I'll have to stop TTC for a couple of years for my career. If I did that there'd be a 9-10 year gap between children which isn't what I want at all. I'll stop now. Hopefully I'll talk less about me all the time when I get to know you all a bit better. At the moment I feel I'm crashing the party in a maudlin and morose kind of a way....

MarthasHarbour; TTC#2; cycle 7; AF due circa 13 Nov
PieMistress; TTC #2, cycle 5; AF due circa 25th Oct
ShimmeryPixie: TTC#1, cycle 3 post MC AF due 14 Nov
Pebspop: TTC#1, Cycle 2 AF due around 19 November
Smileygirl: TTC#2. Cycle 1 post MC, AF due circa 11th Oct but who knows
Welliesandpyjamas TTC#3 post MC don't know about AF
TwoWeekWonder TTC#2, cycle 2 since MC, AF due 19th ish
Poppyjen TTC#2 Cycle 4 post mc AF due 20th November ish (based on last cycle)
Farfallarocks TTC #1, cycle 2 post MC, AF due 13th November

BFP: (insert your due dates etc here)
MarathonMama TTC #2 (1DD, 25mo) EDD 17th March
InsomniaQueen TTC #1 EDD 18th March 2012
MissGiraffe TTC #2 (1DD, 15yo) EDD 10th May 2012
MandaHugNKiss TTC#4 EDD 18th May 2012
BlueCrane TTC#1 EDD 31st May 2012
Babysaurus TTC #1 EDD 15th June 2012
Eve34 TTC #2 EDD 1st June 2012

wellies and msscarlett so sorry that you are feeling down - this is such a terrible thing to go through, everyone has their own very specific and painful experience of grieving for their loss but rest assured that all of us on this thread can relate to what you are going through and we will be here for as much virtual hand holding and hugs as you need.

IQ a very happy (belated) birthday to you

I'll catch up properly a bit later, hope you are all well and had good weekends!

I've been suffering with the mother of all colds (thank you very much DS!) but still managed to get some SWI in (twice!) which considering how I was feeling is a bleedin' miracle!

Fertility Friend reckons I have already ovulated but I don't believe it I think my temps are all over the place due to illness and it would be far too much to believe that after a few weeks of Vit B and Agnus Castus ovulation has been brought forward to CD13 from CD36 I guess the next few days will tell...

For those who are interested my chart is here . Weird huh....

Morning all

MsScarlett please don't feel bad about letting it all out on here - that's what we're here for and the purpose of this thread is to help and support each other through the lows as well as the highs of TTC post MC. We all know the pain of an MC, some more than others just due to the timing or frequency of MC but we know that empty feeling. It must be SO tough to be approaching the time when your 20w scan would be and I really feel for you, especially with the 'deadline' re. your career break too! Sorry if I've missed bits but have you had a bfn following the MC or still waiting for that and test results?

wellies really hope you're able to have a good half term break and that the break from routine helps with workign through everything.

pebs sorry to hear about AF...I'm sure there's been some discussion on here about lengthening LP but can't remember what the advice was...hopefully whoever it was will pop up again and let you know!

IQ Happy Birthday!!! Glad you had a good day and sis looked after you well! Are you still off this week? Hope you're taking it easy still!

far glad all went well with the lovely cam experience on Friday!

baby, manda, marathon, Missg, eve how are you all doing?

Congratulations Pie, I'm really happy for you. Sending good vibes your way.

Hope you feel better soon Blue and thanks for the pastries.

And hello "MsScarlett", sorry you had to join us, but welcome.

News from this ends is that I went to a hen party this weekend and was shown how to make jewellery. I made a fabulous pair of earrings and came away with a determination to get into beading [beadwork?] in a big way. I have also done my calculations for the month ahead and DH is on notice again for next weekend (O is due on Monday 31st). We also rediscovered the fun that s(without)i can be - all the SWI does sometimes take the fun out of it!

Thanks everyone for the lovely messages. Isn't it amazing how "strangers" on the internet can be so supportive and fab? Thanks, lovely ladies. It's sad we have to be here together but glad we're not alone.

pebs the stuff at the school is this shameful business...we have this one drug-using dealer constantly swearing horrid family that are always causing problems at our lovely school, and this is just their latest incident. Sadly it attracted media coverage, must have been a slow news day. An upsetting, disruptive week, but sadly it probably won't be the last for as long as that shameless family keep swearing and fighting in front of all our kids. :( :(

Anyway, going to nab as much of bluecrane's kind breakfast offerings as I can carry (mmmmm pastries) and wander off to check out Fertility Friend (thanks Poppyjen) xx

Thanks poppyjen and misscrane. Hope you feel better soon poppyjen. I had horrible MS too bluecrane I'm so cross I lost my summer to it.

Happy birthday IQ

I'm straight back on the TTC bus having stopped bleeding 5 days post MC and got my BFN 7 days post MC. SWI (see what I did there) has been achieved at least 5-6 times since then, some before the BFN and some after. Oops.

The career break thing, I have to go back in Sept 2013, so my spring 2012 baby would have been 17-18 months. Losing that baby has meant even if I get pregnant again straight away and keep it I will have to go back when the baby is 12 months. We have a TTC window, now until June 2012, for me to be able to have a baby and stay at home with it for an amount of time before returning. If we don't manage it then we will have to stop TTC until at least 2015, and it's not possible to change that, I am already funded out of home for that period. DD will be heading for secondary school by then. I know it's not the end of the world but it does add an extra upset to losing the baby, for me.

I shall have to learn about charting. It's all greek to me. Although I do generally know when AF is due and approximate ov date, I'm pretty regular, thankfully. I usually signal ovulation by becoming randy! (TMI)

back in a bit!

wellies what a terrible situation to be in how awful for the children to see it too. i am surprised that the school cant exclude the two families/children and arrest and charge the parents, but then they will probably argue 'human rights'.

missscarlet sorry you are feeling down, it is still early days though so i would honestly recommend giving yourself a little bit of time. i know what you mean regarding 'window of opportunity' we really wanted a baby in this school year (ie sept 2016-July 2017) in order that we can move house in 5 years time when we are free of nursery fees. i only have two cycles left to get there. it is a completely selfish petty reason i know, but you do set yourself limits.

IQ glad you had a lovely birthday - and your sister is legendary, she really should be on MN on this thread as IQsister she is as much a part of this thread as anyone else is!!

shimmery my friend makes jewellery, she stopped when she had her DD however to start out she sold it on ebay and created a little ebay shop, why dont you do it? she made her own wedding jewellery and it was stunning.

hows the sickiness blue i just felt really nauseous when pg with DS but never actually vommed thankfully. oh and thanks for the lovely brekkie

poppy here is a and for getting through two lots of SWI with a stinking cold! [hhmm] i am ready to get this BFP as i dont know how much more 'pleasuring DH' i can be bothered with now!!

pebs sorry AF got you, come and join me in the mosh pit of waiting for OV!

farfalla on your 'fannycam' your post made me PMSL!!

we were away this weekend, went to my good friends in Surrey, had a lovely day at the farm with DS then tucked him up in bed and drank far too much felt v rough driving up the M6 yesterday

Just did my fertility friend chart so feeling all efficient and positive Hard to know what date to use as the start of the cycle, the day I had the first tiny spotting and went to the GP or the day I had the induced miscarriage at the hospital, which was obviously a proper bleed? ...hmmmmm... If I go with the induced miscarriage then it looks like I could be fertile now, which is handy because we DTD twice over the weekend as the bleeding just switched off suddenly on Saturday. I never did do a preg test in the end, as I was talking about when I joined the thread, so now might be a good time to check whether I get a BFN yet. If only I could be bothered to get us out of the house again today [tired]

missScarlett sorry you have the added stress of a time limit, that must be horrible. We too had a bit of that but only in that we expect to be moving next summer, possibly quite far, so it would have been nice for our May due date to have come about so that the newborn months could be spent here near family. But what can you do. Sigh. Fingers crossed for you, missScarlett.