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Assisted Conception (and all the bits in between) volume 8

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lucylookout · 28/08/2011 17:46

Looks like we need a new thread for Italian, Scrummy, Beginnings, womanly, lissy, rowing, fretfree, Teds77, keziah, frustrated and anyone else who wants to chat about assisted conception!

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JosieSmith1 · 20/10/2011 16:53

Beginnings that was really really helpful thanks! It was either my LH or FSH that was a bit high but the GP wasn't too worried because it wasn't really really high. Iron is fine, not sure if they checked my thyroid function. I suppose it's a waiting game now to see what happens when I go to the FC, I am the least patient person in the world, it's not easy for me to sit and wait. Anyhoo, not a lot I can do about it, just gotta sit it out. Thanks for the info though, really interesting!

Keziahhopes · 20/10/2011 17:22

Italian the intralipids is what many Dr's now use instead of the IVIG (which is about 1k a time!) for raised NK cells. It is much cheaper than £285 but you have to include delivery of drugs, nurses time etc in that cost, hence so high. I needed 3 for my Nk levels - all post bfp, but usually people have 1ish before ET I think.

rowing definitly hope EU goes down for you. I have never been with flowery hat brigade am afraid (may confess here I taught swimming for 8yrs, but am not a fast swimmer thesedays!!)... when current UTI goes hope to get back in!

Scrummybumb · 20/10/2011 22:22

Hi everyone, a quick update. Had my progesterone tested today and it confirmed my ovulation, so I'm glad I stood my ground. So, we will wait until day 1/2 of my next cycle, run bloods again and then decide on protocol. That's only 10 days away! It's all moving so fast now!

Josie sorry it's taking me all this time to come back. Right, here's my journey so far and a couple of tips on what to read:
I'm a charter, so when I went to see my GP after 6 unsuccessful months, he was happy to skip any blood tests and refer me directly to the NHS fertility clinic, after reviewing my charts. Being a charter means I take my body temp each morning(or I did at the beginning, now I'm too lazy) and track my cervical mucus, which changes through your cycle. He did request DH provides a sample, which brought out that we had an issue with his morphology. That was only 2,5% (WHO has a breakdown of what is considered normal for review on their website) Just to confuse matters, some labs use a rate where 4% is considered normal, some say it is 15%. not sure why this is. Anyway, having now repeated the test twice, we have seen that his diet changes and vitamin intake have take his morphology to 20%! I loosely refer to Marilyn Glenville for diet advise and we have both taken her vitamins for the last couple of months. www.marilynglenville.com/. you get the vitamins and books cheaper on amazon. I have also read Zita West books and spent countless hours on the Internet. My bible is also 'taking charge of your fertility' www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0091887585.
My NHS consultant asked for Day 3 bloods (LH, FSH, Oestradil, THT), day 21 bloods (progesterone). The latter confirms whether you have ovulated. Ideally this should be around 50. My NHS lab considered FHS up to 13 as normal. the LH should be under your FSH, but not by much. If LH is higher it can indicate PCOS. And yes, these hormones do fluctuate. He also asked for two ultrasounds scans, an external and vaginal. Both are done to see whether structurally your ovaries and uterus are as expected. I was also requested to attend a HSG, which is to check whether you have any blockages on your tubes. They use Xray and die to do this. Some women find it a bit painful, but I thought it was like period cramps at worse. Additionally my consultant did an internal exam at my request (not part of protocol), run tests for chlamydia and Gonorrhoea and I also went to my GP practice and asked for a Rubella immunity test.
Luckily in my case, all these tests have come back normal, so the only issue we have had were on DH sample. Worth noting we still have borderline motility 39.90% motility (40 is normal) and it is very viscous. We hope that IUI will help us overcome these.
In our case, NHS can't help us (DH has children from previous marriage) and frankly, having experienced their waiting times, I wouldn't have put up with it - in my age 39 I just can't afford wasting time on waiting lists. You're still young, so you're ok. So, we have just had our first consultation with a private clinic (ARGC) where we hope to start treatment in the next 10 days! They have just completed a monitoring cycle, which means a repeat of day3 and 21 bloods and a mid-cycle scan. We have opted not to run immunes at this stag. Our consultant simply wasn't concerned. We may change our minds tomorrow. and that's something you need to allow yourself, change of hearts.
As for treatment drugs, I'm still pretty clueless. There are others here who will know more than me. Let's hope you get your BFP before you need to start them. A bit of a novel, but I hope it helps.
MN also has a breakdown of all treatment types and what to expect.

Scrummybumb · 20/10/2011 22:39

Italian you seem to be doing amazingly. Your family are very lucky to have you. Thanks for asking about my treatment, we're 10 days away from deciding what protocol.

beginnings LOVE grommit! Bullet points....you can take the girl out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the girl Grin Your mummy brain will sort that out in a few months Smile

rowing glad you're feeling better. I don't envy the currency watchdog.

Lucy mojangles weller keziah flip pocket and everyone else - hope you all have a great Friday! Well, it is nearly Friday isn't it?

Off to have another cuppa of milk Hmm Very rock'n roll Grin

JosieSmith1 · 20/10/2011 23:10

Thanks for that Scrummy, for info, my progsterone was 32. GP said above 30 was considered to prove ov but that above 40 would be more preferable. Out of interest aswell, I know my first appt with FC will be in about 3 weeks, but how long can I expect to wait for tests and if necessary, treatments? Sorry if I'm asking too much, I just hate not knowing!

JosieSmith1 · 20/10/2011 23:10

P.S. I have taken up Wine, previously being a non-drinker up Grin

Scrummybumb · 20/10/2011 23:28

You ask away, but will suggest you go easy on the wine - not good for fertility I fear....Although you musnt become obsessed, Which is easier said than done. As long as you don't overdo it, you're fine at this stage.

Depending where you are on your cycle, you can start with the blood tests and then wait for the invites to come through for the scans. Ideally, the bloods should be done in one cycle, but I did mine in separate cycles. We had our initial consultation in May and completed all tests in July. I then had to fight another month for them to release my results, as the follow-up appt was in Sep and I wasn't prepared to wait that long.

Keziahhopes · 21/10/2011 17:37

Just to give you hope Josie my progesterone was much lowere than 32, at 23 - and we eventually got a natural bfp with very poor male fertility!! Agree with scrummy that a healthy diet and pregnancy vits for male and female can really help male fertility numbers and %'s and I personally think starting that routine before treatment can help - as Dh had 4 semen analysis' so we saw his numbers gradually improve.

wellerbabe · 21/10/2011 19:56

Hello ladies hope u are all well. Been for my second scan today after a week on menopur (slightly worrying that spellcheck tries to change this to 'menopause' Wink ) and my follies have grown satisfactorily...although I forgot to ask how big they were. I don't really know how big they should be but they looked like small meatballs and I have 2 which I don't think is great but ok? Anyway 2 more shots and another scan on Monday whilst still peeing on OPKs.....then possibly IUI on tue/wed !
Had a hilarious conversation with DP yesterday where he revealed that both his grandad and nan were one of a twin. So coupled with my age, fertility treatment and that diamond if this does work then a multiple could be on the cards. He seemed to think his mum had told me that ages ago, but no! Smile

If we are lucky enough for it to work at all then it's a blessing but I did think it was funny Grin

I can honesty say that I have done copious amounts of googling on the subject matter but have learnt lots about how to deal with the process from all you girls so thanks to all and have a lovely weekend.

Scrummybumb · 22/10/2011 19:17

weller that's great news. Wow, you really could be in for multiples Grin my mum told me a story today, where she had been watching a programme on TV about newborns (she's so excited, I hope she won't be disappointed) and there was a guy who spent his time though his wife's early pregnancy praying he would have a son. Turns out she was expecting triplets and they were all boys. He figured he probably did a bit too much praying Grin . I'm hoping to be only three weeks behind you so keeping my FX for both of us.

Hope everybody is having a great weekend. Thinking of you all

lucylookout · 23/10/2011 19:07

Hi Wellerbabe wow, 2 good size follies, that's fab! Bet you can't wait for IUI. Will be keeping everything crossed for you (ha, so you could be in for quads if each one fertilises and splits! Shock)

How's everyone else? I'm OK, alternating between cheery, anxious and furious. You know, the usual gamut of emotions involved in this TTC lark Grin

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wellerbabe · 23/10/2011 20:43

Quads! Omg! Positive OPK today so we are in tomorrow morning for the IUI. Scary bananas or what? I will let you know what it's like so u know what to expect Smile

I will try to remain calm but I know your IUI worked previously Italian so there is hope for us all Wink

Scrummybumb · 24/10/2011 20:23

Hi Lucy totally empathise with the emotional roller coaster. I've pretty much cancelled my cycle and re-started it about 50 times in my own head over the weekend. Glad you're ok Smile

rowing have you managed to book your ticket? How are you doing?

weller How did it go?

Italian got the junior apprentice all ready to be recorded Smile hope you are ok darling.

lissy hope you're having a great time in Philly.

keziah and beginnings hope you are doing well.

mojangles any news on when you might be on?

JosieSmith1 · 24/10/2011 21:32

My best friend just phoned to say she's pg after 3 months of trying. I want to curl up into a ball and die. I'm going to the docs tomorrow as I can't take this s**t anymore.

wellerbabe · 25/10/2011 11:33

Josie I'm really sorry that is crap and it does feel so unfair when conceiving seems such a breeze for some people. Try to stay positive you are doing the right thing by seeking help to give you the best chance to be successful, it may just take a bit longer Wink

scrummy it all went ok yesterday thanks I didn't feel a thing all I could think about was the fact I was busting for a wee whilst she did it. DP was pleased with the selection of mags on offer as the first time he did a sample there were none! I just have the dreaded 2ww now and will try not to drive myself mad looking for symptoms Grin

Italian how are you doing?

Hope everyone else is well.

Teds77 · 25/10/2011 12:33

Hi Ladies just popping on for some advice if you don't mind...

I think I was in a bit of a trance at my last Lister appointment as had worked a 12 hour day so to check whether anyone else has had a similar protocol. I have left some messages for the Lister nurses so hope someone will respond soon.

Anyway, I was put on the pill for two weeks and then had a scan which showed it had shut everything down nicely. I also had a nurse's appointment where I was shown how to use suprecur and menopur and given a schedule and got all my drugs etc. I've now been on 'micro' doses of suprecur for a week to continue the downregging. And as far as I remember and based on all my paperwork I supposed to start the menopur injections tonight. It never crossed my mind but that means I don't have a scan to confirm the suprecur has worked before I start stimming. That seems kinda odd but suspect I'm just panicking! Did anyone else have something similar?

Help! [hconfused]

JosieSmith1 · 25/10/2011 13:20

I have a cot in my loft which I'm donating to my pg friend, it's brought me nothing but bad luck and I probably won't need it so she can have it. We always used to talk about when our kids grew up together, and how I was going to get pg first so I could tell her what it was like, she's not even that bothered about having kids and she's just doing it for her DH. We used to go to the baby shops looking for stuff we would buy when we got pg. Now she'll be doing it on her own and I'm going to be left behind. There's going to be this divide between us when she has a family and I don't. I just had a breakdown at work and started sobbing in front of everyone. Bad times

beginnings · 25/10/2011 15:21

(Italian I haven't forgotten about the article, I just didn't get a chance to get it out last night. Will try to do it tonight)

Teds if memory serves, I didn't have have another scan before the menopur started so I think you're ok. Also, I had the pill so while my protocol wasn't the same it was similar. If you've rung the nurses today, I'm sure they'll ring you back shortly if they haven't already.

Teds77 · 25/10/2011 15:22

Firstly ignore my post as it's all sorted.

Second, Josie you sound so very down Sad. It's a really tough journey but make sure you seek out some positives to keep you going. Although they are silly things, for me I'm positive that this delay means that our house renovation will be completely finished once any little one comes along. Or at the weekend DH and I had an absolutely wonderful lovely time doing things we could never do if we had a child.

If Baby 'Teds' had arrived at the 'right time' then s/he would have been almost identical in age to my niece and to children of two of my closest friends. But there are other friends who'll have children when we (hopefully) do, they'll be lots of new friends I meet and I'll still be incredibly close to my old friends even if our children aren't the same age.

Am sending you ((hugs)) and hoping you feel a little better soon.

Teds77 · 25/10/2011 15:24

Thanks beginnings - they did ring. They said that because I was scanned whilst on the pill they know nothing will have changed this week. I kinda knew that but just had a total blank about remembering the details of my appointment properly - I need more sleep Confused

JosieSmith1 · 25/10/2011 16:30

Teds I am about as low as I could ever be. I'm so incredibly jealous, I didn't realise this level of pain existed. People keep saying that one day it'll be my turn, but I want it to be my turn now, we've been trying long enough, and just because someone's friend's husband's sister blah blah got pg after x years of trying and treatments, doesn't mean it'll work for me. I know a lot of people who have had to adopt, which just goes to show that it doesn't always work for everyone.

I'm sorry if I'm bringing the thread down, I know I haven't been here long, I promise I'm not always a depressed wreck!

JosieSmith1 · 25/10/2011 16:31

Sorry Teds, best of luck with your treatments, I have no idea what any of it means but I really do have my fingers crossed for you, I bet you have all been where I am at the minute

Keziahhopes · 25/10/2011 17:34

Josie - ttc is a tough, emotional journey sadly. Some fertility clinics offer free counselling (limited sessions) so might be worth an ask if you are at a clinic? For us, our journey lasted 7 years and as I am much nearer 40 now (and have our bfp at long last) my friends have indeeed all finished their families etc and in some ways moved on. However, there will be other new mums I hope wanting friends when we have our child and for me I would rather this child now, years after friends than not at all. We all have our own ways of coping with ttc and assisted fertility - for me the first 4 years were ok, but the last 3 were awful... I coped by saving as much as possible for ivf/icsi and trying to keep healthy etc so felt I was doing whatever I could. Going to see your Gp and letting them know how you are emotionally etc might get you some help, some advice etc. The best advice I read on here was just because other people get pregnant (and yes many frustratingly quick) doesn't mean there are less children for me to have.

JosieSmith1 · 25/10/2011 19:59

Thanks Keziah I have been to see my dr and she signed me off work for a couple of week sto get my head sorted. I'm dreading ringing them tomorrow, I don't get on too well with my line manager and I was off with stress about 4 months ago when I was bullied in my last job. I texted my friend today and chatted for a bit but then she started telling me about her midwife appt next week and I had to tell her I was sorry but couldn't deal with it yet. DH is off to get that conceive plus lubricant and wellman vits. That might make a difference

Scrummybumb · 25/10/2011 20:18

Josie here's a little inspirational poem for you (and the rest of us)

When things go wrong as they sometimes will;
When the road you're trudging seems all uphill;
When the funds are low, and the debts are high
And you want to smile, but have to sigh;
When care is pressing you down a bit-
Rest if you must, but do not quit.

Success is failure turned inside out;
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt;
And you can never tell how close you are
It may be near when it seems so far;
So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit-
It's when things go wrong that you must not quit.

"Don't Quit," Author Unknown

weller really glad to hear it was a good and painless experience. Glad DH enjoyed himself too Grin Oh, the dreaded TWW! If only we could just sleep through it Hmm

teds keeping my FX for you too. How have you felt on the drugs so far? Hope you get to have some rest.

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