TTC 6+ months plus, part 2

[skeletonbones]

New thread as the old one was getting to 1000. So, 4 BFP's in the last thread, lets see if we can up the total considerably on this one :)

I'm not too down just now euro. CD7 here but DP still away. But not much ewcm or ov pain yet, so I reckon I'll be ok to start shagging tomorrow- as in this month can at least count as an attempt . But sadly I have given up feeling like this might be our month. We are very luckily still enjoying the sex, but I no longer lie back afterwards and think "ooohhh I wonder if those are the swimmers that'll do the deed".

MrsDen I'm so sorry about the reticent eggs, I'll join in the pompom waving to urge them out. .

Thanks for the pep-talk skelly, it was well timed! I actually checked through my iPhone app the other day and I know we've missed a few months due to laziness bad timing, but I've also found lots of other months where we only had sex once right at the beginning of my fertile period. So going to restart my clock and tell myself this is only my 4th attempt (unless I am at the doc in which case the real cycle 15 might be mentioned!)

I watched OBEM USA last night. It's weird. No screaming like the UK one, is that because they have all had epidurals? It wasn't nearly as graphic either. But then there was a mum of 22 giving birth to twins ( children 3 and 4). She was giving them up for adoption to a lovely couple who had been trying for 13 years, and the adoptive mum was just sobbing her heart out when she got the babies. I was crying too. It was really sweet, she just couldn't believe she was finally a mum. I don't know if that's depressing for any of you (ie the 13 year part) but I actually found it quite uplifting. I felt sorry for the birth mum, but only a bit. She seemed nice but you'd think she'd have learnt how to use a condom by then. She'd already given up her first for adoption, then kept her second. .

Hi Nelly. That's a good way to look at it. We have managed to hit the key fertile period (the day of ov and/or the one or two days before that) at least once in each of the last 8 cycles. In one month we only mananged it once (then I went abroad for work for 2 weeks) but it was the day of my positive OPK so even that should have got the swimmers in the right place at the right time. Hey ho.

I guess her inability to use condoms meant that a couple who desperately wanted kids got them, so maybe it was a good thing. But I think i would have been rather judgey watching it.

We're almost cycle buddies - I'm on CD9. Still spotting a bit from my period (9 days is long even for me!) but planning to start swi tonight.

Purple we are staying in St Julian's for a few days and then on Gozo for a few days. Where were you?

skeletonbones I'm with you on the mantra which I'm shortening to 'only time will tell' thank you also for the stats reminder, that did me a lot of good, particularly on the back of OBEM, which I agree nelly is very different from the uk, all sitting around in bed, a brief push and pop, there's a baby. No gore or screaming, just a lot of annoying music - I like the gritty UK one! Strange how epidurals are just part and parcel of the deal in the US, seemingly from this prog anyway. The adoptive parent one made me feel all sorts of things, most of them selfish and most of them not good. I felt glad for that couple though. But 13 years - f**k!

MrsD I hope those eggs have emerged from hiding. It takes my temp about two days to rise, well that's how fertility friend does it anyway. So usually, I get the pos opk, ov 2 days later and temp rises two days after that. So maybe it's just a slow temp rise month?

In 2009-2010 til the may/June I was using the rhythm method as contraception (needn't have bothered!) got lazy with it over the summer and then switched to going for it whe. My iPhone showed me flowers or stars :) I always ovd on day 17/18. Since farting around with homeopathy, vitamins and acupuncture I had got my ov to day 14 but this month when I've given the bird to all 'help' or pills ( cept folic acid) I got a positive opk at day 17 rather than 12/13. It's like my body said "thank you for leaving me alone and letting me do what I think is best". I've had more ewcm, sex drive and generally feel pretty chilled. Prob won't be if temp doesn't rise tomorrow tho! I think the dangers of Chinese medicine, for all that it's been relaxing, is it has stressed me out that I'm not having a 'perfect' 28 day ov cd14 pain free period amazingness cycle. It's made me feel a bit faulty to be honest. So I'm doing it alone for a bit.

I'm in true hippy zone at the moment with yoga, have done 4 classes this week and I'm giving bikram yoga a try on Monday with some friends. I'm throwing myself into it, much to the alarm of my dh, because it makes me feel so calm. I'm staring out again at the road of the TWW and really want to make it an easier experience than the last 9 roller coasters of snotty crying horror. I'm going to buy tampax this week and plan out nice cd 1 activities and then go full out into distraction mode with the only time will tell mantra. I also read 'you can't force the river, you have to let the river flow through you' in one of my millions of fertility gloombooks. I quite like that, I've def been doing a lot of forcing this year.

pout im def with you that I'd happily sit in a real room and chat like crazy to any of you over a fat glass of wine elderflower cordial. It's lonely this business and I'm glad of you all. Lately I drink ribena out of a wineglass at night when I'm cooking to ease the blow of no wine. How very sad.

Sorry about the house Karbea been there, done that and it stinks. Fingers crossed you'll find somewhere soon and even better. With the house I had that fell through, I drove up a few weeks later (mourning) and the neighbours were having a massively loud party, someone on the street was out in their garden and I asked if it was like that all the time and they said yes and that they wanted to move because of it, so it all felt like fate.

I'm on holiday at the moment and watched doctors while I was doing chores (too lazy to turn off) :) and there was a pregnancy stick bfp story! Agh!

ooh I like your cheerleading for Mrsdens eggs Euro specialy as in RL I am the dumpy girl with no coordination sat at the side of the game eating chips I also think that the pompoms should be made out of OPK sticks just for TTC authenticity!

I also agree with the people who said they are fond of the folk on here, its great to talk to you all and have TTC friends, I would probably be even more mental by now without you lot to talk to about it all as it is a secret from almost all our freinds and family in RL.

Give us an E: E
Give us a G: G
Give us another G: G
What do we have? EGG
Yay Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Ahem.

Maybe when we all have ginormous bumps we should have a bump meet, skelly?

peace did you then switch over and watch Only Fools and Horses after Doctors? It was another bloody BFP story! I was actually thinking of complaining to the BBC since both stories made me cry.

OK I'm also cheerleading - this was a great idea euro! Come on MrsD's eggs! (Oh no rude comment welling up about that being MrD's job... stop it purple)

pout it is funny that you mentioned having symptoms at the wrong time - I feel sick and keep getting tired but I'm only on CD10... If it was the 2ww then actually I would be less convinced of being PG as this happens in every 2ww, but now I'm doing that stupid 'some people have a period when they are PG' thing. It happened to my best mate and so it's always there. PATHETIC!

oops x-post euro so this is a bit behind... but... E! G! G!

Runs in shaking pom poms, drops pom pom, gets all the dance moves wrong, trips over own feet and goes to sit with Skeleton

Purple The TV is full of pregnant people/BFP story lines, it's a minefield. I had to turn off Restoration House the other week because of huge bump invasion. I breathed a sigh of relief this week when it was some retired couple and the chances of shock pregnancy was unlikely

Peaceport I've wondered about some sort of meditation because like you I am sick of the snotty crying episodes.
Apparently the people in our old house are seeing ghosts. I secretly felt a bit happy about that & took it as a sign that obviously the presence liked us more and only freaked us out with noises!

Nelly I've given up feeling like this time could be it after SWI. At the start I used to think of it and get a little jolt of oh my God, what have we potentially done.

We should definitely stay in touch - afterall we've got the TTC babies numbers 2, 3 and 4 to go yet

wow, I'm loving your cheerleading efforts, thank you. What a talented, coordinated troupe you make. How could my two little eggs resist?

I'm feeling much better after having a huge slice of cake. The low GI diet will have to wait until next week. Also, I was really cheered up by getting a letter from someone I haven't heard from in ages. Handwritten letters are so much nicer to receive than emails and it's funny how excited I felt when I saw the pretty pink envelope in my mail box

skeleton those stats do make me feel better, thank you.

I am looking forward to us all graduating together to a pregnancy board. Can we have our own thread over there. Wouldn't it be great for us to follow each other through as our babies grow?

MrsD - I?m so sorry you are going through it at the moment. I can?t count the amount of times I have come out from seeing the gynae feeling like utter crap. Somehow or another I find visiting the doctor just makes one worry more and I always end up wanting to cry especially when something confuses the doctor as well. But try not to worry, it may jsut be the stress of everything going on that is slowing ovulation down this month.
I have no dignity left either. Every time I lie on the metal slab ? i think back to taking my dog to the vet. I just feel like an animal and I just want to cry every time I undress and it?s not like it?s even for a good reason like a growing baby. The worst are the scans during AF. It?s just humiliating. I have also come close to saying to DH that I just can?t see a point to life but unfortunately he gets these sorts of comments from his mother all the time and he has no sympathy for her and I expect he would think I was being overly dramatic. But you?re right mrsd - it?s not like we are suicidal but there does seem to be a lack of understanding of how depressing all this is.

Pout - we sound like we are in the same position. DH really is a very lovely person too. We aren?t on the rocks or at each others? throats but I can feel it chipping away at what was our blissful existence. We never argued before and we don?t really now but he has had sharp words with me. Like going mental over me taking my temps. He rang me up when i was at work and said ?i?ve been meaning to tell you for some time but you?re getting far too worried and stressed over this and you?ve got to stop it?. I could hardly say goodbye because I was just so upset. And I think you?ve probably hit the nail on the head Pout, I expect they just feel helpless. Some men can be a bit hopeless at knowing what to say. We rarely speak about what?s going on anymore ? i just wait for him to iniate it. I?m sorry you?re in the same position though. I agree sometimes i just wish this wasn?t virtual as I speak to friends about it who either have babies, are pregnant or not trying so have absolutely no idea how mental this can make us!

Skele - I like your positive mantra as well. I msut say i think about the statistics all the time. A bit too much. My local hospital has 9000 births a year and I just can?t believe I can?t be one of those 9000 people. I see the figures for people who give birth over 40 ? something like 75000 a year now and I think, surely if they can do I can.

karbea - so sorry about your house situation. It?s rotten situation to be in but hopefully it will be sorted.

Peace - at your Buddhist can?t force the river. I was told that by some pissed man on new year?s eve....he told me it took 2 years to conceive and you jst can?t force nature. So i spoke to his wife, who correct the years to day...yup that?s right, it took them 2 days. luckily i was drunk so thought that was hilarious.

Well hope everyone has a lovely weekend. Keep us posted about ovulation Mrsd ...isn?t it awful that we have to worry about ovulating on top of all the phantom pregnancy symptoms, ewcm and god knows what else. Life has truly gone down hill.

Hi everyone, just a quick update. The hospital called me so I have appt for my ultrasound on the 18th august which was really quick! X

Great news izzy, that was quick!

Isn't there a Grads thread yet? If not, get some of the others on it! The other thread I'm on has a grads thread and it's lovely stalking following them, as they go through their pregnancies. I think it's a must :)

In other news, the SWI started tonight . Now the attentive amongst you will remember DP isn't coming home until tomorrow, so I'm sure you are all a little jealous concerned that I'm having a hot affair! Sadly not so . But even better, DP came home today instead - Surprise . Slight hitch is that mum is staying over tonight. She luckily went to bed early, so we've just had sneaky sex on the sofa. Yay!

Evening ladies,

It's all very quite here... (gives a shake of her pom poms nontheless - though hope your eggs have made an appearance by now MrsDen )

My serene approach to the week seems to have worked as I've just had 2 strong lines on an opk. DP & I dtd last night & the night before, but have now officially entered a no shagging zone prior to his test next Wednesday. Hopefully we might have done enough, you never know .

Lovely to hear that your DP arrived early Nelly (& you managed to dtd!) , and that your appointment came through nice & quick Izzy. Hello to everyone else!

Hi ladies

Just been catching up after being away in London for the weekend. Had a really lovely time staying in a posh hotel and doing the sights; it made me think I should make more of an effort to enjoy the positive aspects of child-free life although it's easier said than done. There were a lot of pregnant ladies around, all rubbing their bumps etc, tried not to stare :(

The hotel we stayed in was in SW1 which amused me cos on all the street signs it looked like SWI :) little things eh!

I had a real wobble at the end of last week when I went for my day 21 blood test. Although it was only small test, the hospital environment really brought the whole infertility situation home to me and made me feel really upset and sad. It wasn't like I expected to get pregnant straight away but when we started trying I just never envisaged it turning out like this. skeleton I really liked your positive pep talk, sometimes it's good to remind yourself that there is hope! How's your not symptom spotting going? I'm in 10dpo now and next week is the danger zone for me!

purple so glad you enjoyed your hols.

mrsd I really, really hope your shy eggs have come out from hiding. How unbelievably frustrating. I would join in the cheerleading but as the class geek it might be more appropriate if I just yell encouragingly from the sidelines if that is ok?

joycep omfg about that bloke and the two years/days thing, you did well not to lamp him!

peaceport your situation sounds v similar to mine. I too normally ov on day 17/18, have been reading about how this is less than 'ideal' and have used AC to bring my ov day forward this month. God knows if it will make any difference. I'm a big fan of yoga and meditation too. I hope you enjoy bikram, I really liked it. I think it's good to do things that are kind to your body and mind and yoga has lots of positive benefits. Not forcing the river is vv appropriate for me too.

izzy good news on your appointment.

nelly and pixie woo hoo for SWI!

Love the thought of a grads thread where we sit around and chuckle fondly about the days when we worried about getting pregnant!

to everyone else

Afternoon ladies - I've been lurking catching up on how you're all getting on and agree that a Grads thread would be a nice idea.

I don't really know who else was on the ttc thread but I have set up a thread just now - here

Please feel free to pop in and I'll look forward to welcoming you over properly when those BFPs start rolling in. You ladies were so lovely and supportive and it would seem such a shame to have no home to go to after a bfp :)

Hi biscuits! How are you doing, all going well I hope?

Thanks for that. I hope we will all be over there soon. X

Hi Popcorn doing ok I think here! Occasional touches of nausea but not too bad - In a way though that's worrying me because I had no m/s when I had a mc and did have m/s when pg with DS. But then am still only 6 and a bit weeks so could still be a bit early for it. Am hoping to book a scan for a couple of weeks time when I'll be 8+ weeks. Will see if m/w will let me have one if not we'll go private if poss.

Hoping I'm not left like a Billy on my grads thread - no other grads have shown up yet but I'm keeping the kettle on for you all as you get your bfps

Fingers crossed that more people join the thread biscuits - I'm trying to remember people who should be on there... karmanna I think was the BFP before you...

joycep it is quite possible that the wife was in the wrong and the not the husband regarding the 2 years/2 days situation - it wouldn't be the first time that someone who took ages to get PG has claimed that it happened immediately, plus how do you get PG in 2 days?? Stinks to me.

My cat just attacked my pom poms. Ow.

All my previous post-hol positivity went out of the window this weekend when I had to go to a wedding without DH (he had a different wedding in a different part of the country) and with a probably-PG friend. I cried all through the service and generally went to pieces all day. Then the next morning my bloody mother decided to tell me all about people at her work who are about to become grandchildren, along with a 'hilarious' (her words) story about a woman who got PG on the 3rd month despite being 38 and despite thinking her new BF was infertile because his first wife didn't get PG in 9 years. DM seemed to think that this would make me feel better somehow, but all I could think was. 'Oh God, how must his first wife think hearing that - and how come she can get PG at 38 with an infertile OH and I can't even manage it at 31 with a OH who has a normal SA'. Humph. Going to the gym to work off some anger - this will be day 3 in less than a week!

OK just re-read the ramble and it makes NO sense... I mean that people at her work are about to become grandPARENTS and that it is the 3rd time that I will be going to the gym this week. Back to bed methinks.

Morning all,

I am in a super grump today, so apologies in advance for lowering the tone already.......

Am approximately 10dpo and the bleeding has started again. Last month (when I had my day 21 tests) I only had some light spotting before AF started, but this month I'm back to the usual crap. So frustrated. GP isn't going to do anything about it, I just have to wait until we go to the fertility clinic, and that is likely to be about 12 weeks away, since DH just had his second SA on Friday and they won't put you on the waiting list until after those tests are done.

Finding handling my mother quite a challenge when I'm in this mood. She is hopefully going out for the day so I will take out my frustrations on the wallpaper stripping in the front room :)

Hope others are feeling more positive this morning!

Hi ladies, i hope everyone has had good weekends.
Congrats biscuits , glad it is going ok right now.
Madness sorry about your spotting. How utterly depressing for you. I'm afraid I'm feeling awful today. My anxiety levels seem to have rocketed.

I should have had a good weekend as I spent it with some childless friends. Except through them I found out about 5 people who are pregnant or just had babies. One of them has just had her second and she was anorexic for years. Another guy has got his wife pregnant in a very short space of time considering he has been on powerful arthritic drugs for years. In fact there was a question mark over whether they would be able to have kids naturally. In my non ttc days, I would have been absolutely delighted for him. He is lovely. However, all i can think about ...is how on earth have they done it quicker than us. I have spent the weekend getting very panicky and agitated ? does anyone else get like this? I was so calm a month ago but this awful feeling seems to come in waves.

Just also came back from my GP who said to go away try for 6 months more and told me again not to think about it. She also told me to save my money for IVF. We will only get IUI if there is a reason to be given it. She also said, there is no better way of getting pregnant than doing it the natural way....urrrgh thanks!

Oh my god... there is only one girl in my office and five men and as I am writing this she has announced her pregnancy to us, literally right now. This will be her first. This is not good for my health ladies.

Oh joycep I think that we are both feeling much the same today. Your gp obviously doesn't have personal experience of doing this for a long time, telling you not to think about it! I understand them wanting us all to give it as much time as possible to happen naturally, but recognising the immense stress that is causes would at least make us feel less like hysterical women when we go to see them.....

My horrible mood was compounded by going to a christening yesterday for a baby born to a woman who got married the week after me and started trying for her first the same month as me. They all looked so happy and there were families with babies everywhere . This morning my other friend has posted the first pictures of her new baby son on facebook. Last week (when I got the text saying that they'd had him) I was ok and I didn't even cry. This morning looking at the photos I just want to go back to bed :(

Biscuits Hello & I'm glad that you are feeling okay! Great idea setting up the Grads thread. I can imagine you talking to yourself at the moment. But we are due another BFP on here so it won't be long.......

Popcorn I'm envious of your weekend away - glad that you had a good time. I like your SWI postcode. I would take that as a good omen!

Izzy It's great that your appointment has come through so fast. Good luck with that.

Nervous It's nice that your DH surprised you by coming home early. at having some hot man there. Is this a good time to mention how I have pondered that should any of us ever do something silly with a random, hot stranger then you could bet your bottom dollar that we would get updiffed - sods law you see! Maybe I should add this to one of the ideas of how to conceive thread.

Madness The spotting thing is rubbish. I am also pissed off on your behalf that I got my referral appointment through without DP having a SA. I swear the "rules" get made up as they go along.

Purple Why do people think that "amusing" anecdotes about other people getting pregnant against the odds are helpful. My mum keeps mentioning how she has bumped into random people and how they are expecting. I DON'T CARE.

Mrsd Any sign of eggies?

Joycep Poor you, lots of hugs. Your GP sounds like a right tool. There's no better way to get pregnant than naturally - no s*@t Sherlock. Why the hell do you have to go away for another 6 months? You've been at it 15 months haven't you? Oh and I love the advice not to think about it. That really would be the clincher for me. How did you not reach over the desk and punch her on the nose? I wonder if she has kids and how easy it was for her to conceive and what she might have felt like if somebody told her "not to think about it". Super angry on your behalf.

I'm also sending you much sympathy over the pregnant colleague. What wonderful timing. If that was me I would feel like that was supposed to me my BFP - I am being a bitch but Jeez.

Morning everyone. There is a lot of crap going about just now isn't there? I hope we get some good news soon. Did the pompom waving help, MrsD?

Is anyone close to testing yet? I think I'm about CD10 so gearing up for ovulation soon. Managed to shag twice yesterday!! But it was my birthday, so doubt that'll be happening again any time soon. And I didn't even worry about whether that was good or bad from a TTC point of view, which I'm sure you will all agree is very grown up of me .

Hope everyone is doing ok today.

Oh Madness poor you too. I posted before I saw your last message. It's cruddy that you feel so low too. It's odd isn't it how we can only take so much and then it's something seemingly less painful that sends us over the edge like FB photos. Hugs for you too.

It's weird, we viewed a house on Saturday (that incidently we are going to lose out on AGAIN because the agents are total divs) and there was this massive fridge magnet with a newborn baby photo on it and a cutesy message to her "aunt and uncle". I can't seem to shake that out of my mind. Totally bonkers.