JSing viroids, on your marks, get set, shag!

[JosieSmith1]

The (updated)(again)(again)(again) 'rules' from our Just Shagging Originator for the Viroids:

Maintain a relaxed attitude at all times - drink if you want too, especially on your birthday (or when you've had bad news). Thread precedent dictates if you drink to excess you will get a BFP (but not recommended). (But it does work).

Covet thy husband and enjoy every minute. Shag at every opportunity - shag-capes and awesome superpowers optional.

Keep acronym-age to a minimum! EWCM is now to be referred to as 'pant snot'. Try not to get sucked in by Fertility Friend (at least for a while), but knowing where you are in your cycle and furkling for pant snot is most definitely allowed.
OV is ovulation - I'm allowed to forget what date I've OVd, feel free to join me on that one!

Bunting is to be put out for any small victory, thread-parties are held regularly and hugs are always welcome!

Once you have your BFP, feel free to hang around and share your wisdom and virtual cocktails with the JSers.

Keep us up to date with gossip!

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Most of these rules are well and truly broken!! But we try to chill - honest

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Part 1 Graduates:
Tanmu82 - BFP
PrivetDancer - BFP
OnlyWantsOne - BFP
Frankenfanny ? BFP
Notso - BFP
knittakid - BFP
loopeylu - BFP
PinkFondantFancy - BFP
Grannyapple ? BFP
Fuzzywood - BFP
canoe - BFP
janedoe - BFP
StarflowerGirl - BFP

Part 2 Graduates:
ihaveaplan - BFP
lovemylulu - BFP
shitforbrains - BFP
gormers - BFP

Part 3 Graduates
Bonkerz - BFP
Kitten - BFP
Cowboylover - BFP
takingtheplunge ? BFP

Part 4 Graduates:
NoMoreChocBiscuits - BFP
Milanomum - BFP
Cremegg - BFP
BrassicaBabe - BFP
Dynababy - BFP

Part 5 Graduates:
TakeThatLady - BFP
Vallinna - BFP
SingingMog - BFP
aDarkStarWithStrangeWays - BFP
Eskarina - BFP

Part 6 Graduate
Reality - BFP

Part 7 Graduates:
Katiepie - BFP
CaramelGirl - BFP
Nickelbabe - BFP
Panpie - BFP
Brightcopperkettles - BFP

Thank you nelly. It really is comfy in here!

You sound like you're working very hard there! Really exciting that you had your first appointment. I don't know anything about what they do, but I hope it all went okay for you both.

OK finally had a shower and a chance to sit down! Got the conservatory painted, and house almost back to normal, albeit with a door still off, lying on the dining room table waiting for the gloss to dry :)

So -having been JSing for 10 months to no avail, decided to go to the Doc to get things checked. Went along together and saw a nice (male!) doc, who didn't get all concerned about whether it was "time" to start doing tests. So he checked up the guidelines and set us up for all the prelimenaries. OH has to do 2 samples, though doc wasn't sure how far apart, or why? It's a new requirement in our area. He's also to have some kind of chromosome test. I've been for my LH test today, then to go back 7 days before ERTD due to have the progesterone test. Also to take a swab so they can test for STDs. All soooo glamorous . Anyway we did get some general questions about alcohol consumption/smoking/cycle/how often we have sex etc; but nothing too militant and he was very good at saying "just relax about it" without actually saying "Just relax". So once we've had all the tests and results, we take it from there. I'm not yet sure what we'd do if there is actually a problem; at this stage I just want to know what we are dealing with.

CD4 here but ERTD hasn't buggered off yet. Hopefully will have by tomorrow though so we can get some good shag-cape action before we got back to work on Monday and are too tired. That said, I'm exhausted from all the decorating, needles and wild dangerous horse-activities .

Another busy day tomorrow but will try to catch up some more! Hope all is well in viroid-land. Haven't heard from Dee or Josie much lately? Come in and say hello girls :)

Really nice to hear good doctor news from you both. I have booked doctor's appointment to see if I can get a private referral for tests (realise probablya bit previous for NHS). My ma had her menopause early (think 38 or so) and I am coming up 33 so think I need to get things moving! Only problem is that at our practice we have one doctor who is the gatekeeper for all "lady problems" and she is very loath to admit that there is anything that she can't fix herself. So have a horrid feeling it will be out with her ultrasound to see if she can identify early menopause herself and then I'll be dismissed. In which case I may have to switch practices- tough as we are inner London so high demand for services, pah.
Anyway I have had two nights on the wine (after many many months off) and am feeling very happy (if a bit icky). Now going to start trying to make my body a baby temple and see if renewed dedication to that and swi has a positive impact. Plus, I've fallen pregnant in December (with DD), March (with m/c) and it's coming up June so maybe I only work on months that divide by 3- DH is a mathmo so his sperm may well have some silly equation they are working to.

LOL at your DH's maths-whizz sperm caramel! I hope you can get things sorted out with a doctor. Surely if they knew your mum had an early menopause then they could speed things along for you. Hope it all works out for you.

Your doctor sounds pretty good nelly. Some of them just don't seem interested, from what I've heard. Glad he didn't fob you off with it being "too early" as well. I'm sure everything will be okay, and hopefully it will put your mind at rest. In the meantime, get that shag-cape on!

Happy Friday everyone :)

Caramel my mum also went through the menopause at that age, I'm now a year older than she was then, and am worried I may be pre-menopausal. I'm too scared to go to the docs to find out. OH is STILL jittery about TTC and I don't want to have to drag him through tests or have him supporting me through them knowing he's worried about it all. So if I don't get pregnant, that's it ... I'll just compensate by getting a couple of pedigree cats (maybe Norwegian Forest cats) and they can be my babies

I think I'm OVing today, got cramps and boob twinges and am all emotional. Last ditch attempt to get the shag cape on this month, as said above, OH still is having problems getting past the thought of me getting pregnant, and I've had enough of the rejection

I'm also feeling very old at the moment ... my back is killing me after work, as are my feet, and I've just realised that the lumps appearing on the side of my big toes are bunions, and it is getting painful to walk properly with them. To top it all, I went shopping and stopped at the hot beverage section, the Horlicks having caught my eye, and I thought to myself that it'd be nice to have a mug of that at bedtime (tried it years ago and hated it), so I bought some

Maybe I am too old to be thinking about having a baby, and should just accept it and give up.

Sorry about the me me me post, but just feeling really crap about it all.

Here Crow - have a very large . You need it. Don't worry about the me me me as I seem to do them all the time and everyone is far too kind to comment . I'm sure you are not too old. And you can add booze to Horlicks you know . . Also, Norwegian Forest cats are gorgeous! Our cat is just a moggy, but she's a beautiful fluffy tabby, and when we saw a pic of the Skogkatt we figured she must have a bit of that in her....except for the fact she refuses to leave the house if the weather is a tiny bit inclement! Anyway, she is beautiful, , funny, smart but a bit speshul too, and I bet she's as much fun as any stinky baby .

I too like the idea of your maths-whizz sperm, caramel. I wonder if that were true what it would mean for my OH? He is cycling-obsessed, so maybe they'll only get near an egg if I inject teeny tricycles up my fanjo first .

Oh crow, I think it is really natural to start feeling older when you ttc without instant success. Fertility feels youthful, no? I have noticed I'm treating my poor body like it's faulty and falling apart. Which I don 't think is going to help me!! So that's part of my temple body resolution- start being nice to it and respectful of it.
That said I am still noticing lots of glowing pregnant people around and feeling a bit withered. But don't feel bad re ovaltine. I've got a cocoa habit at the moment...
Hope lots of lovely viroid weekends and that you all get some sun

Hi everyone! Just got back from a weekend away to DP's mums house. Things aren't great down there - a lot of his family are ill, and his mum and step-dad have separated. I think they will fix it, but they have a lot of issues to iron out first, which might be hard as they both seem to feel certain they are in the right. Needless to say, I've heard both sides of the story now and have been in an awkward position a couple of times over the weekend where I've been pressed for an opinion, but think I handled it well and never expressed any biased view on the whole thing.

We're waiting for DP to find time to ring up one of the universities in Manchester to try and get a place on one of the courses. After a lot of talks, we've decided we aren't happy where we are in our lives. We've plodded along because we know it's the responsible thing to do, but neither of us is very happy. I don't like how much time I spend home alone with DD, and he doesn't like how little time he gets to spend with DD. There are some bonding issues there and I know it breaks his heart that she doesn't "go to him" the way she seems to me, and even my parents. Her bedtime is at 7pm, and he finishes work at 5pm, so only gets 2 hours a day with her, during which time she eats dinner and has a bath. Also, he's not content in his job, an "overworked and underappreciated" kind of thing where he is basically the person in the company that the bosses lean on but it isn't paid to match his responsibility. They tell him if he sticks at it, he'll be running the place in a few years when they retire, but even then he probably won't be getting paid much and there's always a risk they'll decide to sell up instead and he'll have nothing to fall back on.

I'm filled with hundreds of dreams about what our life will be like if it all works out and I'm a bit worried I'm setting myself up for a big fall! I want a trendy little apartment in the middle of the city, and for us to spend most of the day together apart from times where we have to be in lectures so that DP and DD have a proper relationship, and I don't keep resenting the fact that I have no life outside of my house. And where we live now is filled with so many memories, I've lived here my entire life and can't go anywhere without driving past a place that makes me get a little flashback of something I don't want to think about so it all works out.

And in other news, DD has been taught by DP's sister how to crawl up the stairs, and she has spent the last two days going up and down (obviously with very very close supervision!) So to make sure my day tomorrow isn't complete back-breaking chaos, we've installed a stairgate at the bottom of the stairs. Gotta buy another one for the top of the stairs next, but that's not as desperate as she's got high walls on her cot and hasn't mastered door-opening yet.

Glad you are sticking around Bam. I've got very used to finding you here and don't want that to change any time soon! Have you stopped by and introduced yourself to the graduates?

And well done for taking steps with the doctors, Nelly. I bet that was a very brave thing to have to do, and hopefully you'll get all the help you need.

Good luck with your June cycle caramel! Hopefully you're right about your DP's genius sperm, stuck solving a very tricky equation before they can get back to moonlighting as baby-makers.

I hope you're feeling a little happier crowette. I'm sure you know deep down that those things don't automatically make you old. I'm 23 and love a nice warm hot chocolate before bed (not Horlicks but never tried one - very set in my Cadbury's ways) and get bad backs and feet all the time. In fact, me and DP JS'd twice on Friday and I've been aching all over ever since, particularly my legs. I had a nap yesterday afternoon, and still could barely keep my eyes open long enough last night to watch an episode of Game of Thrones before bed.

A lot longer than I expected it to be, maybe procrastinating as I have to do our shopping online and it's such a tedious job coming up with the meal plan and then searching for the items, deciding which ones to chop from the list when I inevitably go over budget, etc. Plus a little uncomfortable knowing the money in my bank is the only money left until DP gets paid some time this week, so gotta be careful...

Hi babylann! Those sound like some really big and exciting plans you are making! You and your DP are very brave to take steps to change your lives, and I really hope it all works out well for you. I know you said you had JSed, but are you still "trying" as much, or is TTC going on the back burner while you get all sorted out? It's good to hear you sounding so positive!

I haven't been brave enough to pop into the grads thread yet. It's odd, but it still all feels so unreal, even though I've been to the midwife now. I should have a scan at the end of July though (12 weeks) so that's exciting. I have been stressing all weekend about where we will live, as we only have a tiny 2 bedroom flat and can't really afford anything else, but I've decided just to be happy and see what happens. I just don't want poor DS being woken every night, as he has school to go to, so we really need something bigger.

Hope you are feeling better crow. Did you get a good rest at the weekend?

Very quick hello. Back at work (boo) but just wanted to say Shag Cape back in action .

Hope everyone is well. Will try to post later, albeit I may have to sneak phone into the toilet to do it!

Yay for the shag cape action nelly! Good work trooper!

Thanks Bam :)

Though we ideally would like to wait until we've finished university, it doesn't fit in with our dreams of having babies close together. DP is doing a foundation course, which means at least 4 years, and I want to do a masters, or maybe a PGCSE afterwards, so also 4 years. Meaning DD and any siblings would be close to 6 years apart in age, which is something we want to avoid really - mostly for our own sake. Especially as, at that point, we'll want to start focusing on earning money.

I think, considering it all, we've figured having a baby during university is better than having a baby with two full time jobs. If the class schedules are anything like the one I had when I went briefly earlier this year before getting ill, I'm only actually in lessons about 10 hours a week, and it will be similar for DP. Hopefully those 10 hours won't overlap too much, so we won't need to lean too heavily on childcare. Apart from the c-section recovery time and potential SPD, assuming I need another one, there's no reason why I can't continue studying during pregnancy and early newborn stage if we get a house/flat relatively close to the university or a short bus journey away. I wouldn't feel comfortable returning to a full time job immediately after giving birth, but I think I'd be quite glad for the 10 or so hours out of the house being "me" instead of just "woman with boobs".

But, after having such a confusing time with my fertility (I couldn't understand how I had accidentally fallen pregnant last year despite condoms, and suddenly wasn't even capable of having a regular period the next when I'm surely in my "peak" fertility age) I don't really want to risk leaving it a few years, in case we are now in a positon where it will be harder to get pregnant in the future (say, for example, I've got PCOS or endometriosis which is what people started to suggest).

Maybe I'm completely kidding myself and it would be a lot harder than that to care for a baby and a toddler and get all my essays and reading done, but for some reason I just feel like I could manage. There's so many hours a day right now where I'm sitting around, twiddling my thumbs while DD naps, or ignores me in favour of a remarkably interesting slipper. And with DP at home much more, I'm sure it will be fine.

Babylann for what it's worth, I think that life will feel more fulfilling for you if you are pursuing something you want to do, and also for your DD to have a happy mummy. I know how stagnant you can start to feel being say at home all the time. Also, the uni might have a very reasonably priced creche, which would work out much cheaper than a childminder etc for the few hours you would require it. I say good on you!

I have just been applying for temporary part-time jobs, as I really want us to get saving so we can get out of this flat soon. It's too small and the neighbours are horrible and very noisy. DP is getting voluntary redundancy in 2 weeks time, so we can pay off our debts, and then hopefully we can get ourselves sorted and into a better place before too long.

I'm actually hiding in the loo so my boss can't see me on MN!! bambam exciting on the jobs/potential new home. And babylann I think if you want anything enough, you can make it work. I say go for it; I agree with bambam that it's very important to feel that you have something just for you.

Better go before they think I have a problem. Whilst I'm here though, TMI but trying to decide if I have pantsnot already (cd8) or if it's just, ahem, leftovers??? .

May have to JS tonight just to be on the safe side! Unfortunately don't think we can help identify it unless you took a photo

Eeeuuuuwwww . Photos??

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Well we are possibly a bit too tired tonight, but tomorrow will be on the cards! Interestingly I do have a bit of lower abdominal twinges (can NEVER remember the technical term!) so definitely need to keep the JSing going this week. But I am beginning to think I ovulate earlier than I thought. I'm actually considering digging out the digital OPK, just to see what it says. Despite the flagrant rule-breaking that would entail .

Hope everyone else is well and getting plenty of JS action. :)

Hi all!

So glad you didn't take up the offer to post photos nelly! Glad you are going to keep up the JS action!

I finally plucked up the courage to poke my head round the door of the grads thread. I hope we can all flit across en masse very soon!

Feeling a bit blah with a cold coming on today. Also very, very tired. I have to go and collect all my Avon books as well. Groan. Mind you, DS is a very enthusiastic helper, so he can do a fair bit of the running up stairs and chapping on doors for me!

Ah very coincidental, my avon lady is pregnant too Bam. Came around a couple of weeks ago and said, "Sorry I didn't come sooner, I've found out I'm pregnant and was too excited to do anything else!" Sorry to hear about your old, hope you get better. I had a couple of colds when I was pregnant, and it was a pain in the bum not being able to take any painkillers etc. Lots of lemon and honey teas is my suggestion!

Also glad you didn't post photos Nelly, despite me being the one who suggested it...! I'm sure we can all look away long enough for you to break the rules and get some much needed answers. :)

DP is concerned about our sex life, he says we lack spontaneity or something. It's all because he has taken to trying to get it started at inappropriate times/places, for example when I had just got out of the bath and was drying my hair in front of the electric heater, he came over all kissy and excitable and my foot was too close to the heater and started burning :( and I wasn't too aroused by my freshly cleaned skin being pressed against the carpet where people walk straight in from the street with their shoes on.

your cold, not old.

babylann that sounds fantastic. My friend was at Manchester with her little boy and had a family flat on campus. Neighbours were all families too so swapped evening babysitting etc.
nelly loving the live pant snot reports- and image of you hunched over in loo tapping away as you are so mn addicted.
bambam Avon sounds like ideal DS occupational material, no? Run up and down, wear self out and earn mum cash, genius

Lack of spontaneity hmmm babylann??? well we didn't get any JS action last night as by the time I got into bed, OH was already nearly asleep. I snuggled into him which is code for "let's shag" but he either ignored me or was beyond noticing . Our sex has long been confined to bed, usually bedtime though sometimes morning if it's the weekend, and pretty much needs pre-arranged to make sure we go to bed at the same time. I vaguely remember having sex on our sofa once, but that was about 2 years ago :( The actual sex is always good but a bit of variety wouldn't go amiss. At least we have Fun sex on holiday. Though the less said about next month, when we are away over OV weekend - to different places - the better....
Still, that won't matter. I'm going to get pregnant THIS month .

Phew, where did that rant come from? Been stuck in a v boring meeting aaallll day, I guess I just needed to vent :)

caramel I'm sure your weekend will be great wherever you end up! Even if you do wake up early, you can always go back to sleep again .

Also, just realised that you all pretty much have at least one child already, don't you? Josie please come back as I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only child-less person left in the world?! Maybe I need to go and join a BESH thread, given the said child-less-ness and my seriously advancing years .

Sorry viroids, I must sound very bitter and down tonight, I
Not, honestly . I probably just need ...

Ugh, don't go to BESH, tho' they do look like a good group of girls. Stay here and just mentally substitute "horse" whenever we witter on re offspring.
If no one does join us do we all descend en masse to a welcoming looking thread? Or no need as we're all getting knocked up
this month? Cross fingers and toes and everything else! and slug down some

I hope this month is your month Nelly! I don't know what BESH is, but I hope you don't disappear somewhere else.

I don't know whether we actually lack spontaneity or whether he thinks we just don't do it often enough for his liking. And when we do, it's a very fast "let's skip all the fluff" job. He likes the fluff though and it's not even like he's selfish and wants me to worship him and spend hours fiddling, he's quite selfless really and it seems like he genuinely means it when he says he likes to give me all the pleasure in the world.

Maybe we should get out into the unfamiliar parts of MN and start recruiting. Even the people who aren't TTC. We'll make them TTC so we have some new friends in our viroids thread.

Haha babylann I like that idea.

"hhmm yes MNuser I do think YABU to not have baby number 9. Your husband does, so you must consider his wishes. Now, how about you come over to our thread and don that Shag-cape" .

BESH is another thread on the Conception board. I think it stands for Barren Evil Selfish Hags - and is a reference to a common Daily Fail theme about those of us in our 30s who have dared to live a few child-free years before donning those shag-capes and then can't get upduffed . Don't worry caramel I won't be jumping ship as I don't understand most of the sub-text in there anyway. Plus, I'm still pretending that ageing ovaries and massively reduced fertility only applies to other over-35s .