Feisty Fabulous Forty somethings - part 2

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woohoo over here

hi all

thanks for lovely birthday wishes, special wave to Alba and Gi1da, thanks for popping by, don't you have beautiful bundles to coo over?

CD8 so better get cracking. Had acu yesterday and moxa for the first time, like a warming treatment on my tummy. She thought I was "cold" (have been feeling the cold a lot more this year in this tiny but really chilly house) and said you need to be "warm" to conceive. Makes sense! I remember last month's SWI was all conducted in icicle temps!!! .

I sort of feel like I'm not going to conceive in this house. Basically I'm quite unhappy here and can't wait til we move in either April or May depending on the joiner getting the stairs into the new house.

OTOH I have estimated that I probably have 3 cycles to get a 2011 baby, the 3rd of those chances would be a Jan 2012 EDD but I would prob have an ELCS so could just squeeze into December!

Being your typical Pisces I swim in two directions at once so both best and worst case scenarios are equally strong at any one time .

Must dash, off to friends for lunch.

Sending you all cake xxx

Good Morning Lovelies

Ahh JOLLS Happy Burfday to you sweety x

LOL So so sorry for your loss it's really tough (especially when you tell family and then have to un-tell)....You are absolutely spot on about the age of our eggs.....Unfortunately we may look young-uns on the outside but our eggs don't and it does take longer and the journey is a lot harder.....but GUM is right it can happen and does happen .....it's just a case of finding the 'good egg'.... but it's a case of can you handle the ups and downs on the way to finding it - if you ever do...???
For me it's been a 2year journey now with nothing but heartache to show for it ...... When I first started out I was charting for 3 months then fell PG and I can honestly say I was at the most blissfully happiest and contented point in my life......
Infact the day I first got my BFP my hubby and I and our little boy went for a drive in the country and found a little park and sat in the sunshine on a bench and I have never been happier...... 3 weeks later and after naively telling our close family it was over and I was devastated........ it really was tough for me but then took about 3 months to get my heart and head mended and then 6mnths later fell again but alas not to be and actually lost that little one on the day my first loss was due how utterly shit is that..... (I know LOU and TANKS terrible losses are far more devastating....xxx) but for me at that time was just too much........
I have since had 2 more losses including a CP and can't help thinking 'Is it really gonna ever happen for me??' But like LOU says all youv'e got is to keep on trying and see.....what else can you do ??????
The only difference now is I don't get soooo let down each month as I just expect it's not gonna be and don't get myself all in a state anymore.... I still test at 9 - 10 dpo and if it's a BFN I just get on with it whereas the last year I would be crying and taking it out on DH....... Oh I dunno it's just a tough tough road and you have gotta have nerves of steel to keep going......you really have...

Hmm I know what you mean about 'mothers' aswell mine never stops banging on about the big 'M' just coz she had hers very young she's convinced I will follow .....that's why I was sooooo xstatic last month just to get a possy on the OPK as she made me think I had stopped OVing !!!!!!

Well sorry it's been a while but I have had a couple of tough weeks (death in the family....) and I have been low ......add to the fact that life (as in a family of 4 kids) has to go on and it being half-term I didn't think I was gonna get a moment to post
again

Anyway I have started to do a bit of research and am interested to know if there are any women who have had children in their 20's as I did and maybe in their 30's when I had my last that have gone on to successfully carry a baby to term in their 40's ????

Most of the stories I read about are of women who had their first in their late 30's early 40's and then are still managing it into their middle 40's..... I don't know if I have made sense there but I guess what I want to know is are there any women with 20 yr old kids and teens that have also found the 'GOLDEN EGG' into their 40's aswell ????????

Oh dear Im rambling...........

Sending Muchlove to you all xxxxx

Happy birthday Jolls Have a lovely day ..... Chink chink girl XXXXX

Hi Gilda nice to see you.

Much nice to hear from you.Thought you'd dropped off the end of the world!!!!!Sorry to hear things have been crap XXXX Glad you re back with us.I know about setting yourself up for the monthly disappointment its a way of protection isn t it? There are many,many women who have sucessful pregnancies in their 40's.

Curly lovely singing!!!!

Tina i m still not testing to ,hopefully, at least Monday as that will be 15 dpo but we ll see1!!!!!! Sick of seeing bfns.

Hi Gum as i say hopefully, i ll hold off testing but we ll see mmmm........Like Jolls i keep working out how many more months in this year left to drop lucky to have a babe actually in my arms before the end of 2011.Know i shouldn t but...... Like you sometimes the desire to test is just too much!!!!!Enjoy your accunpuncture XXX

Hi Panashe don t feel you have to buy "Heat" have a sneaky look in the newsagents.....don t think it ll be worth your £1.80!!!!! XX

Hi LOL how are you doing?

Hi everyone else.BB,Diege,Hippy,Nicole and anyone i ve missed XXXXXX

Happy Birthday jolls hope you have nice lunch and lovely day :)

Happy Birthday matey - Hippy air kisses Jolls. mwah mwah mwah. So sorry to read about lol. I know it's hard to remain positive but what I would say is at least you know your body can get a pregnancy going - maybe you just got the wrong egg. I wish you well, sweetie.

Hello to everyone else. diege we are sooo alike - I am with you on the sore boobs and vivid dreams (way too early to read anything into it though ).

(Wanders in with a big bunch of balloons and a bottle of champers).. to wish Jolls a happy birthday...

Sorry to hear your bad news lol If it's any consolation, I had a CP the month before this pg...

21 weeks today - had our anomaly scan yesterday, which was all good. Everything was normal, which is a huge relief as I am now the original paranoid android. And it's a girl, which we are both very pleased about!

Anyway, so we've left the clinic.. and we're tucking into our lunch in China town... and between courses, I have pulled out the written report for us our midwife, which I have now read 4 zillion times as it says "the prognosis for this baby is excellent" when I see it... the phrase which almost makes me spit mineral water all over DH...

In the history section it says:
"Conception: spontaneous"

Rolling around on the floor laughing. I know it is technically accurate, but I don't think anything could have felt less spontaneous - surely "planned like a military campaign" would be closer...

Anyway, I thought it might tickle your fancies too... and just so you know, when you get up duffed, your conception will have been spontaneous too

happy birthday jolls hope you have had a lovely day.

TTT fantastic news about the scan - and a girl too! Congratulations. Can't believe you're at 21 weeks already!

(has Lia given birth yet anyone?).

So 2 dpo and no signs yet! Have resisted testing so far too. we did the swi one for luck this time, so maybe that will do the trick.

Seriously thinking about London move now - dh had a meeting today where he was told his firm is in trouble financially. he needs to start looking about moving while he is still being paid I think.

Bit daunting though - how on earth do you go about moving 4 children's schools when y ou don't have a residence? I have also been finding it very hard commuting and think there are better ways of spending 3 hours a day really.

Hope we get some bfps soon! muchlove I have had a baby in my 20s and 30s, - last one at 37 (first one at 28) but not managed in my 40s yet sadly.

aww thanks for lovely messages. Wave to all x

TTT such terrific news. T h anks for dropping by .

BB sorry you have all this landing on your plate. Wouldn't know where to start .

Evening lovelies

Staying away for now as the world of babies is a little bit too much to take at the moment. So just popped in to say my sorries to Lol and happy birthday to jolls

See you soon

tiptoptanktop - fab news about the scan. Yes very funny about the spontanious conception - when we get our next BFP I'm gonna say, "We just did it the once and were truely surprised!"

jolls Hope the day was lovely for you - wishing you everything you would wish yourself for the year ahead

BB yes trying to choose schools before you live there is very difficult - we're going through the same decisions with the old IOW at the moment.

All the best - at least you'll be too busy sorting out the move to worry too much about getting preg - it seems to be working for me cos I'm a lot more relaxed about whether it happens or not.

Having said that, i do feel that we made a big effort with the troops this month and am about 99% certain that I will be up the duff this month

crossed posts with you nicole - what's up my lovely? You are still young (to me) and you've only just started trying - you'll be fine girlie

hippy I didn't know you were moving to IOW...

I know I've already given you a massive congrats TANK but just wanna say again
FFFFFFFAAAAAANNNNNTTTTTAAAAASSSSSTTTTIIIICCCCC !!!!!! news today xxxx

Sorry bout how your feeling NICOLE sometimes you just gotta take 5 (I totally understand)........x

Love to all x

Evening! I propose a mid-week champagne bistro-esque in celebration of TTT's scan (what lovely news) and of course for jolls the birthday girl
Lou meant to say I am also an avid Heat reader . I was given a subscription for the mag when I left my last job, and did actually cry in Sainsbury's Local when they didn't have their delivery one week until the Wednesday (I was hevaily pregnant at the time, but still...) Is your letter in next weeks or have I missed it?
BB I think that's sensible about your dh starting to look now when he's still getting a salary, although fingers crossed it (the possible troubles) may come to nothing. I feel your pain over the comute. The friend I have been getting a lift to and from work with is moving next week so it's back to the 2.5 hr commute each way Still, at least I can read Lou's letter on the train
Hippy I have to say my boobs are super extra sore this month, and actually don't feel like mine this time round . My temps aren't great though, and based on ff's 'readjustments' of my ov time my timing wasn't great either..
muchlove great to hear from you, but sorry you've had a tough time of it xxnicole, hope to hear from you soon. Take care x
Gum, 9dpo is far too early you donger!! (as dd1 would say .
Tinakeep us informd with dh's tests - I'm sure all will be fine xOff for an early night now as 6am start. After I've ahd my champagne cocktail of course!

tank your news has made my day! What an amazing thing to hear and read. Just so pleased for you - and gives us all hope.

So does chocolate (says Lol, tucking into a rather lovely cocoa/chilli combo and wishing Jolls a belated Happy Birthdaaaay)

Thanks nicole. I know it gets a bit much. Thought I'd have to stay away while I got over this cp, but I can honestly say that looking forward to reading all the kind words/slurred ramblings is getting me through this particularly weird time.

Panache IGNORE ME. I was feeling sorry for myself. You are only allowed to read tanks postings instead. And chant 'Cherie'

Now - question to all. I've got the sex thing down to a tee (or is it a T?) What I need to know is, how do I produce super-juicy eggs? Zita West clinic said my fertility thingy (ovarian reserve)is 2.27, putting me firmly into the 0-3 'very poor' category - slightly high for my age (1.75), but still grotty . They could only suggest DHEA which they said had anecdotal evidence only (a woman on IVF said the eggs gathered post-DHEA were of much higher quality, apparently, and there are trials, but they seem inconclusive.)

Should I be buying DHEA? Do I have to buy it there (probably v expensive - the wee wee test was £230!)Or do you buy it in superdrug for 50p? Or is there something else I could do that you could recommend?

Any suggestions gratefully received.

I was recommended 75mg a day? lol Haven't actually got off my spreading arse to order it yet, but was also recommended to try it.

Four weeks to the day of mc af has arrived :( :( can't help but feel sad

(((( panache )))) so sad to be reminded. The good news is that you're spot on regular - even though I know you'd rather be irregular but pregnant right now. There's hope :-) x

thanks Jolls. if anyone's tried DHEA could they let us know? We need a reason to get off our backsides and buy some.

Oh shit Panashe, I know how awful that feels. Sending you a tonne of love.

Gosh, it really can be a difficult road ttc at our age.But still, is doable.

Tank - such great news. Relax and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy.

Muchlove, I had 2 babies in my twenties, two in my thirties and one in my 40's. I really feel I have to have another in my 40's to balance it all out! I'm still hell-bent on having a baby, but at the moment feeling very pre-menstrual. Another BFN today, but that's not why I think it's all over - temperature has dropped and I just don't feel pregnant. Every other time, i have "felt" it.

Warning : TMI -Then last night my stupid DH says (whilst in the throws of passion - moron)"Should I go ahead"(you know - ejaculate) and I say"well, why not" and he says "we still have some unresolved issues".(he obviously has no clue where I am at with my cycle)

I really didn't much feel like shagging after that! But I let him get on with it and then he promptly fell asleep. FFS, I feel like throttling him. I hate this "unresolved" bullshit.As far as I'm concerned I am resolved to ttc! I suppose we'll have to thrash it out again, and I'm so sick of this same conversation. So, feeling pre-menstrual right now, on top of that, makes me feel pretty lousey.I did not sleep very well.

Some men can be stupid sometimes! I love my DH immensely and we are very happy together, but this "issue" is doing my head in.

My lovely,lovely acupunturist told me her DH went out to shop for a vacuum cleaner the day after they had a still born little boy! Can you believe it? I guess we all deal with grief differently, but that really hurt her. She went on to have a healthy boy, who is now 19, a year later.

The summer weather seems to have disappeared today, and I'm glad, the grey is reflectling my mood!

I suppose I should make an appointment with my GP and get some testing done.

Lol I think you can order DHEA from America and it may be cheaper.
I believe acupuncture can address ovarian reserve too.

Hi all

TTT fantastic news, so pleased for you.

Happy Birthday* Jolls. I just had one too, a few weeks back and am now 46!

Panashe sorry you are so down.

louise hugs to you.

Love to you all BB, Hippy, Lol, Diege, Hopefulgum, Curley and Muchlove. Sorry if I missed anyone.

I hope you are all well. Just watched a fab movie, The Pursuit of Happiness, very moving and sad, and at times funny (but not many times).

Had my progesteron blood test yesterday, just enjoying the end of my first period in 6 months.

All the best, and chocolate to all.

lol re juciy eggs - no idea as can't seem to produce any but last year I read...

I am currently reading Triumph Over Despair and Statistics

by Julia Indichova

It is really good and helpful (to me).

www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=inconceivable+julia+indichova&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=6761374246&ref=pd_sl_4ufudkbtma_b

Sorry that should be last year not currently and the link is

www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=inconceivable+julia+indichova&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=6761374246&ref=pd_sl_4ufudkbtma_b

www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=inconceivable+julia+indichova&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=6761374246&ref=pd_sl_4ufudkbtma_b

Morning . Italian I have seen that film and it is one of my favourites. I can also recommend 'Precious', though quite hard hitting, and for the more macabre-minded 'case 39' is ace
Pananche I know what you mean . Take care, and as others have said, take some solace from the fact that your cycle is back to normal and that ttc-ing can commence!
Gum I think I woud be livid with dh if I were - and the falling aslepp after tops it really. I can understand how you feel a sense of weariness about rhe whole thing, esopecially when it seems to be resolved one day but not the next. Good that he's clueless about your cycle though
Lol, I'm sure I've had DHEA from Zita West at some point, and I did actually get pregnant a few cycles after starting it, but for some reason I had totally forgotten about it until now .
Well not a great start to the day. Dh away, so 6am start to get older dds up to school for pre-school gym club, then down again to put ds in nursery, then up again for dd3's school, to get home and get message from hairdresser to say she has to cancel...Ok, so I'm working from home but had booked a sneaky appointment for roots...she's coming on Sunday night instead but still...temp has also dropped dramatically (just above coverline) and only on cd 8/9 and boobs also not so sore. If my LP drops below last months 10 days I will scream! Have also been giving some thought to giving it until May and then calling ttc-ing a day. I'm just a little tired of putting things on hold (botox - I know how shallow that sounds), smear test, buying nice clothes, taking on more challenges at work. I just can't beleive how easy it was to get pregnant at 39, and then literally a month after my 40th my cycles go crazy! Anyay, that's enough wingeing - must try and do something creative to cover my roots up!

diege totally get the "life on hold" thing. I'm feeling a permanent state of limbo - not helped by being in temporary accommodation also. I'm waiting to lose weight, sort out clothes, decide on whether to go back to work etc etc etc. But the thought of putting a deadline on it makes me feel physically sick :(

Waves to all. Off to park shortly as I can see a yellow thing. Or at least no wet stuff. x

I know what you mean Jolls about deadlines. I think last year I said I'd give it until next summer (ie. 2011) but that seems too close. I am also due a smear, but have decided to put it off until after my birthday, to make the most of my last few mths of being 40 . I think I'm goiung to go for it on the clothes, work and weight-loss front, and hold off on the botox. Maybe I just won't smile