Clearblue Fertility Monitor Support Group Buddies Vol 5!!

[boba82]

Ladies from Vol4 - welcome to our new home.

Arghhh I've woken thisorning and checked the monitor and it hasn't moved to day 6, I've realised that I was playing with it on monday when I got it around lunchtime... Anyway I've reset it, but it obviously is now a day late. What do I do? Do I wee on ac stick this morning and put it in tmr? Or do I just use it as normal, but realise I'm a day out. Or have I screwed it up for this month? I was so excited that I was going to use it this morning, can't believe I've done it wrong, I can't bloody do anything :( xx

Keziah x

karbea if you have set the testing window to late in the day - do not despair, you just need to put your fmu in a pot and dip the stick at the relevant time. I don't think the monitor being a day out will cause too many problems, it'll just throw the next month out by a day. Don't panic!!

When you get up just turn it on - if this is before the window it will still show as the previous day (it doesn't have an actual clock installed) - it will tell you whether to POAS by flashing a stick on the screen.

slightly thank you, hopefully tmr will say day 6, whichll actually be day 7 and I can just be a day out all month...

Keziah I don't know if this is helpful but a friend of mine is currently undergoing ICSI. On her first cycle they only retrieved about 3 eggs. They got 2 embryos from these. Like you, they couldn't grade them and she had both embryos transferred at day 2, but sadly they didn't stick.

She's just had her second ICSI cycle, and this time, she got 16 eggs or so and 8 embryos, which means they've been able to grade and go for a day 5 transfer, which I believe has a higher success rate.

Anyway, I guess I am telling you this because ICSI failing this time might simply be bad luck. Hopefully your next cycle will be better individualised to you, which could give you a much better chance. Perhaps think of this one as a trial run?

The wait list between cycles (even if you are private) is very long where I am too. It's about 4 months as the service is so oversubscribed.

Hello to everybody else. KC waves.

Boba How's the pregnancy going?

Hi KC - we had a day 5 blast transferred - an early stage blast. Others could have been frozen at day 3 but cos this was NHS the NHS will only here freeze blasts as they have to pay for frozen transfers - so at least I am not costing them more money, which is the point.

Have to wait till official test day before allowed to book a review date for this cycle - and with a 8 week wait for that at clinic I am not impressed that I can't book one today. Bright red blood, negative test 15 days after fertilisation and all clinic could say is test on Sunday (Mother's Day) and phone late afternoon on Monday.

And I can't see me having any more eggs next time as mine are obviously running out. That is why am unhappy about not being able to hurry things up - Oct#s attempt was cancelled, now look like not even be able to cycle in the summer holidays, so more time off work - unpaid - which means unlikely to be able to afford it .... well if my 100,000 mile car dies I have a choice of a car or an IVF cycle and 2 buses to work and back. That is many years on a bus for possible one embryo to be put back.

Hi KC I'm ok thanks, 17 weeks tomorrow but still can't believe it and am very nervous still. How are things with you? Do you feel the break from TTC did you and DH good?

Keziah I hope the clinic gets their finger out on Monday and you get an appointment sooner than later.

Boba - it is a 7 week wait for a Dr, or 5-6 if you dont' mind a locum - this is private, so not impressed with the wait. But that is probably because I know all tests need doing again - so even if we had the money straight away there would be another 2 month delay.

I dont know what to say keziah- i really feel for you. I wish it could be different. Xx

Keziah I didn't realise you had a day 5 transfer. I am really sorry to hear that it wasn't successful. All I can say is that NICE recommends three cycles of IVF / ICSI because that is the average number of cycles that a woman will need to conceive so it really isn't all over yet. I understand your concerns with your eggs, but it could work next time and the number of eggs may be different next time. Please don't give up hope just yet.

The private wait list exists where I am because they simply have too many patients for the number of staff. There's really not much that can be done about that although it is ever so frustrating.

I echo what Fr00tbat and Boba have said x

Boba Glad to hear things are going well. Are you going to find out if you are having a boy or a girl?

Yes, the break TTC has done both DH and me the world of good. I'm back at work now, which has really helped. We see the Consultant at the FC next week too but I am still hoping for a natural BFP, maybe naively? Perhaps now I have a decent work life balance and a job I enjoy things will happen naturally. 17 months in I can but hope!

Hello, did my first wee on a stick this morning, was kind of exciting!!! Fertility was low, very excited to hopefully see it change! Although this is my shorter cycle so I guess all I'm going to find out is that I either don't ov every other month or my lutual phase is too short... Xx

Qq - do any of you temp as well as using the monitor? Not sure if I still need to? X x

KC - yes they said they couldn't choose between the 4 fertilised eggs at day 3 so took them all to blast stage. However only one good enough for transfer, but too early a blast to grade and other 3 not good enough to freeze so lost them sadly. NICE may recommend 3 but sadly as we know do not fund more than 1, which is the issue. Privately every singly test I have already had has to be redone - ouch! As if I am going to have got HIV inbetween!! Grrrr............

KC no I would like a surprise.

I hope you get your BFP before too. x

Hi Karbea No I don't temp but that's because I am too lazy trust the CBFM.

Agree with you Keziah only one funded cycle where I am too.

Do you have to have all the tests redone at the clinic or could you get them done elsewhere. Just wondering if you could have them redone on the NHS?

knackeredcow I think I'm going to give up temp as the cbfm must be more accurate than just your temps surely??? I'm on cd 8 (although it thinks 7) and I've 2 squares now (high) but it said to expect this on cycle 1 of using it. I'm just excited in the hope I might be ov'ing I'm so scared i've left this baby making lark to long

Good Evening Ladies, hope we are all well!

Todays stats (Karbea you are now on the list!):
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD125
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 1?, age 31, UCL 31, CD133
CrazyAlien TTC#1, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 28, UCL 31-35??! CD97
Arabella36 TTC#2, Cycle #1, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL29, CD90
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 29, CD84
TinaO99 TTC#2, Cycle#2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 42, UCL 28, CD80
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 28, CD70
Scoobielou TTC #1, Cycle #1, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 31, CD??
SlightlyBabyCrazed TTC#1, Cycle #25, CBFM Cycle 3, age 35, UCL 28-32, CD9
Tilly TTC#1, 3years, CBFM Cycle 10, age 36, UCL 28-34, CD11
Ses TTC#2, Cycle #7, CBFM Cycle 9, age 38, UCL 28-30, CD28
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle #7, CBFM Cycle 3, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD28
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #31, CBFM Cycle 19, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD26
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 6 , age 32, UCL 28-38, CD25
aMuminwaiting CD19
Loup TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 3, age 31, UCL33-35, CD18
OlisMum TTC#2, Cycle #1, CBFM Cycle 1, age 26, UCL 30-31, CD16
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #19, CBFM Cycle 8, age 32, UCL 28, CD11
Karbea TTC#1, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 1, age 37, UCL 22-26, CD9

Graduates:
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10
AnytimeNow BFP 20/11/10
IloveKittyElise BFP 30/12/10
Boba BFP 07/01/11
Chocciechip BFP 11/01/11
Clockspotter BFP 21/02/11
MissyRaines BFP 19/03/11

Am probably having IUI this week, if OV happens before next Sunday - FX

Yet another one of my staff dropped the bombshell of being 6 weeks pregnant - not planned or tried and longed for - which is then the cue for everyone to start with the you'll be next!! None of them know how long we've been trying, so quick cry in toilet and avoid them all for a few days whilst they talk baby, baby, baby and the questions like what's folic acid!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH I've been taking it for two years in the vague hope I get PG and they get pregnant whilst drinking, smoking and eating c+$p! Guess I'm doing it wrong!

Rant over!!

SBC

hi all just thought id stop by and say hi. I always hope that I will log on and see the graduate list has doubled I do so hope for some good luck soon especially those who have been trying for so long. things going well, quite tired and feel like whale still another 22 weeks to go! xxc

SBC I know the feeling, it is so unfair when you are doing all the right things. Good luck if you do start IUI this week. x

Kitty Glad to hear that it's going well for you x

SBC I know exactly how you feel. I am really bad at taking folic acid and I have given up giving up drinking. I really don't think it makes any difference - well it hasn't in my case.

I have four members of staff. 3 are aged between 30 and 34. Two are recently married. Although this is a sweeping judgment (as we all well know not everybody can become pregnant, and not everybody wants children), but I think it's fair to surmise somebody may become pregnant and I want it to be ME. Scared it won't be and I'll have to bottle up my own disappointment.

Karbea Temping is good for confirming ovulation. It's been found that women are most likely to conceive in the 6 days leading up to and ending on the day of ovulation. The mostly likely chance of conception is if you have sex 2 days before ovulation. As temping is retrospective, it's likely to be too late to conceive by the time you see the rise in temps. When sperm first enters the female's reproductive tract it isn't capable of fertilisation. Although it can reach the fallopian tubes very quickly, it takes some hours to undergo a process called capacitation. During this period, the head of the sperm change shape so that they are able to penetrate the egg. It's not understood how, but the female reproductive tract induces this process.

Therefore, the advantage of the CBFM is that it warns you when you are about to ovulate increasing the chance that you get the timing right. That said, looking for EWCM in conjunction with temping is useful. Temping can also be indicative of confirmation of ovulation, whereas the CBFM isn't. The CBFM tells you that the expected hormonal changes are occurring, but doesn't actual prove that you are ovulating. So used together they can be useful. I don't bother as I've had the "Day 21" progesterone so I know that I do ovulate.

SBC - ouch, that is not nice. Totally understand - go back to work next week and the colleague I work with all the time has just announced her 2nd pregnancy!!

Today was my OTD, a BFN as expected as been bleeding for 5 days. Absolutely no idea what day is day 1. Was it first day of bleed, was it today as OTD? Have cried myself out at least, just low now and lacking hope. The thought of ttc for natural bfp is so hard but promised dh we would, for year 3 of ttc with great inent!

Hi all

Thank you all for the support, am feeling a bit better today - think I have actual EWCM for the first time ever so was disappointed that CBFM gave me a low, but it is the first poas this cycle, so maybe tomorrow! FX

Keep having this irrational thought that maybe I am actually already pregnant (stupidly tired, feel a bit sick etc) despite the horrifically painful AF just a week ago. Why do our bodies play such evil tricks on us!?

Think it is just my hormones levelling out as I now have a prolactin level of just 256 which is within the normal acceptable level

Keziah FX for you, you are being very brave - do you have support from the clinic with counselling etc? I can't help with the cycle day, I still get confused by the day 1 being effectively my day 2 each month!

Hoping this is all our months, SBC

knackeredcow so are you saying that even if the monitor says I'm ov'ing i might not be?

Karbea Yes I am. The monitor shows that oestrogen peaks and leuteinising hormone peaks. These happen prior to ovulation. In the majority of women, this will be a good indication that ovulation will occur BUT it is possible that it doesn't. Although not always true, a good indicator of ovulation is a regular menstrual cycle. This is why the first question a GP should ask is whether you have a regular cycle. They are normally looking for a cycle of between 21 and 35 days.

Temping tends to pick up the progesterone peak, which can't occur before ovulation. Progesterone is secreted by the corpus luteum on the ovary. This is the follicle from which the egg has been released. It is secreted AFTER the release of the egg. Therefore, progesterone levels should be very low until after ovulation. Progesterone peaks around 7 days after ovulation and then declines unless you become pregnant, in which case betaHCG released by the embryo tells the corpus luteum to keep secreting progesterone until the embryo is implanted and the placenta established. If pregnancy doesn't occur in a cycle, the corpus luteum retreats, progesterone levels fall and this triggers menstruation and a new cycle.

Therefore, if you do ovulate, the CBFM is fantastic at advising on timing. If you don't ovulate, it's not. Temping can be used as an indicator to demonstrate that ovulation has occurred, although the best test is a blood serum progesterone test done 7 days BEFORE your period is due. The results can't actually be interpreted accurately until after your period has started. It's only then that your GP will know the timing of the test was correct. Although specificity is not 100%, a serum progesterone test is a pretty good indicator of ovulation. That said, the NHS doesn't undertake these until you have been TTC unsuccessfully for 12 months (6 months if you are over 35), as it's not unusual for it to take 12 - 18 months to become pregnant. The other thing to bear in mind that the older you are, the longer it can take to conceive and it doesn't mean anything is necessarily wrong.

SBC - great about the EWCM, I don't have any either and my prolactin level is 650 to 980. Am going to Gp (oh a month to see mine!!) and going to insist on another prolactin blood test and I will tell them I know of someone who had lower level than me and was referred - as I think my prolactin is an issue as it is way off where it should be but 2 Gp's and NHS gynae say "no".Hope this is good month for you xx