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Assisted Conception (and the bits in between) Volume 6

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rowingboat · 14/09/2010 11:00

Hi all,
I just went to post on the old thread and noticed it had been locked, so here is a new one!
Come on in!

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lateatwork · 25/10/2010 11:35

BagofHolly do you know of any informal group with argc current, prospective and past patients? thanks!

babybarrister · 25/10/2010 21:44

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BagofHolly · 25/10/2010 21:44

www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=210.0

You might need to register to see this but it's worth it!

BagofHolly · 25/10/2010 21:53

www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=52.0

Here's the bit about immunology.

Italiangreyhound · 25/10/2010 22:41

BB which clinic are you at? All the very best with the treatment. So want it to work this time. Hugs and all.

Bagofholly thanks, will read at my leisure tomorrow.

Anyone am I mad I ahve got raging eggs whites but no period, is that possible?

rowingboat · 25/10/2010 22:48

Hi all,

LAW I'm on FF as well, it is very good for assisted conception. I like the MN group because it's a nice, cosy manageable group, FF can be a lot more fast moving and slightly impersonal because of the size, but great for advice.

Newbi it is worth having a look at the abroadies section of FF, lots of Czech Republic and other destinations.

BB here we go again! Best of luck! [hsmile]

Italian I know, the herbal tampon! Confused

Getting a bit tense here, the treatment is looming!!! Aaaaargh! [scream echoes around the walls]. I have emailed Reprofit to find out if I can push back ovulation so that I can go over on a day which fits around work. We are very short-staffed and some days are impossible.
Have to look at flights and my knees are knocking together. [hshock]

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Italiangreyhound · 25/10/2010 23:00

Rowing all the best, thinking of you.

Iscream, Newbie, Lissy, Horton and Lateatwork how are you?

Kiwikat are you still around?

How is everyone doing?

I found these following the suggestions from Bagofholly - can't personally recommend anything but I thought it was all interesting.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article1049620.ece

and this site

www.miscarriageclinic.co.uk/index.html

Anyone am I mad - I have got raging eggs whites but no period, is that possible?

Feeling weird because I went to see a friend with a dog and a 6-week-old baby and guess what, I was more interested in the dog! Am I losing the plot! Confused

lateatwork · 26/10/2010 07:33

italian hmmm i think there is something about that in the "taking charge of your fertility' book by toni weschler... cant for the life of me remember the details.. sorry!

Horton · 26/10/2010 10:58

Hi, Italian and everyone, I'm fine. Just not much to report at the moment because I am still thinking seriously about whether or not we should try IVF one last time. And thinking too about whether to switch clinics for our possible last go. It's all v confusing and I'm honestly not sure what I want to do.

No idea about the EW, Italian, sounds like it's worth a google!

Italiangreyhound · 26/10/2010 13:53

Horton do you need help making your decision about one more go? Does DH support you whatever you do? Am I right in thinking you have one pre-schooler DS? Correct me if wrong.

If you want help making a decision I am happy to bounce idea back and forth! But you know we decided one more go so maybe I am not the ideal person to ask!

Is the other option to stay as you are or to look into adoption or whatever? Please don't reply is I am being to nosy!

Biscuit Biscuit

Horton · 26/10/2010 14:48

That's right, one four year old DD. DH is happy to support me either way, although I know he would like to try again if he had the choice.

If we don't try again, we will carry on trying naturally (after all I have got pregnant naturally twice before and one of those produced an actual real child). But basically we'd be deciding to stay as we are. I don't think I could hack adoption. If it were possible to adopt a very small baby, maybe I'd give it a go. But I don't think it would be and I am not convinced it would be for me anyway.

BTW, talking of nosy, I googled your cervical mucus (that sounds all wrong) and apparently it's quite usual just before your period.

Italiangreyhound · 26/10/2010 15:21

Horton Thanks, someone else said to me they thought it may mean af was on the way.

Do the doctors know why you are having problems conceiving and how many times have you tried IVF? Just once?

Love to you. Know how you feel, it is exhausting!

Horton · 26/10/2010 16:39

We've done IVF twice. The doctor in question (Geeta Nargund at Create Health) said she thought we had an excellent chance of success, based on test results etc. From what I hear, she is a straight talking woman and would not have said this unless she honestly believed it was true - have come across a few different stories of her making it quite clear to people that she thought the chances were low.

The only downside is my age. I have the right levels of AMH, FSH, LH etc, in fact wonderful levels for my age (41) - she said you would typically see similar test results in someone ten or even fifteen years younger than me. I ovulate naturally. Antral follicle count has been good every time it has been taken, ranging from 9 to 15 I think. DH has had sperm analysis results ranging from very decent to excellent. I've had laparoscopies, HSGs, all the investigations you can think of (bar the NK cells business, which I'm now considering as an option).

There is absolutely no medical reason yet found why we should not conceive apart from my age.

I've had two natural pregnancies - one resulting in DD and one MMC which was discovered at the 12 week scan, sadly. But it took a LOOOOONG time to achieve each of those - two years and three years respectively of really trying.

So I am a bit stumped. I wonder whether there is really any point in spending another £5000 on no baby. Although as my aunt pointed out, £5000 on no baby is cheaper than actually having one! Grin

Would you try again in my shoes? I am starting to wonder if the path to happiness is really just accepting my (luckier than many) lot. After all, I have a child. I love her to bits and I am very lucky in so many ways. But I would like another, I really would. I'm just not sure it justifies spending another £5000!

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Italiangreyhound · 26/10/2010 18:37

I'm like BB my hubby was less keen than me (if I have read that right!). But I won out! Horton it is totally up to you but I would go for it and try a different clinic. If I understand it Create does a gentle cycle? How about an un-gentle one? Or would that be risky for you. It's totally up to you.

Love and hugs.

Horton · 26/10/2010 20:24

Create does do a gentle cycle. I was attracted to that to be honest as I hate the idea of the downregging for some reason. It sounds like the worst bit in many ways (never done it so may be wrong). Also, hate the idea of pumping my body full of possibly unnecessary drugs. But as you say, an un-gentle cycle may be a better option. I don't think I am at especially high risk for anything. Am slightly put off by the cost of the ARGC thing. Maybe we should do the testing for NKs etc there and see what, if anything, it throws up. Then we can decide what we want to do next.

mowmi · 26/10/2010 20:28

Sorry for gatecrashing your thread ladies... I used to be a very regular contributor here (hello Lottie, Sooty, Rowingboat and anyone else who remembers me!)
Horton I used to be under Geeta - she is incredibly straight talking and would not give you false hope / waste your time or money. I've had some very frank conversations with her in the past not all of it pleasant / what I wanted to hear!! Only you can decide whether to go again, just thought I'd vouch for her forthrightness (don't think that's even a word but you get my drift!)

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Horton · 26/10/2010 20:37

Hi mowmi, thanks so much for bothering to post that. It's very encouraging and definitely the impression I'd got from various sources. I just can't decide what to do. I really like her and agree with her philosophy of using the minimum of stimulation etc. FWIW, even on lower stims and no downregging, we got a reasonably number of eggs both times and had two good embryos to put back in. It just didn't work!

Hope everything worked out for you in the end!

rowingboat · 26/10/2010 20:37

Hi all,
I completely relate to you all, we have a son of five, who is lovely and in most ways we are happy, but there is a nagging desire for at least one more child.
I do have a damaged tube, but my FSH and AMH were fine and DP was given a glowing report for his sperm test, but it hasn't made any difference.
I think the age thing, for me is quite a big factor, because even with a decent reserve of eggs the number which may be abnormal is much higher for the over thirty-fives.
Horton we have spent most of our IVF money on two fresh cycles and two FETs. We are now going for embryo adoption, which I suppose is a jolly good way of adopting a very tiny baby (microscopic even).
The costs are much lower, if you go for a single embryo transfer at Reprofit the cost is 500 euros and 1000 for a two embryo transfer. The donors are anonymous, which I know is an issue for many, including Italian, but they are screened and are young, which I hope will do the trick.
Just another option there if you are feeling the pinch and have considered the notion of adoption.

Italian I have noticed EWCM before AF, so agree with that analysis, but it could be something else...who knows! [hsmile]

BB how is the injecting going?

LAW when are the immune test results due?

I'm trying to arrange flights and sort out accommodation in Prague. Not even thinking about what could go wrong, but now I have typed that I am, groan! [rolls eyes]

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vallinnapod · 26/10/2010 20:41

Hi Ladies - lurking with intent Wink

Take my last pill next Tues so expect a bleed, therefore drug madness, a week Friday/Saturday

lateatwork · 26/10/2010 20:42

horton your aunt's comment did crack me up!

at my age (now 40) time is more important than money. I can earn more money, but i cant buy time. So, with this in mind, if I were you Horton I would give it another go on the basis of no regrets. but its an incredibly personal decision. and i havent already had 2 attempts behind me (which must be devastating and mentally and physically exhausting...)

afm..

AF has gone MIA....

babybarrister · 26/10/2010 20:53

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Horton · 26/10/2010 20:56

I can earn more money, but i cant buy time.

This is a v good point. Thank you.

AF has gone MIA....

Ooooh. Have you tested?

lateatwork · 26/10/2010 21:08

horton sadly, yes i have. Sadly cause there is no way that i could be this month due to not having had sex (vital part of the process missing)... (I was on hols with DD with OH was slaving away...) but i tested just in case i could have caught a dose of pregnancy from somewhere (in fact I tested twice... oh the shame!!!) Blush

which just goes to show that logic goes out the window when ttc...

Horton · 26/10/2010 21:08

Ah, shame about that. It sounded v promising!

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