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Climate Change

Good grief, is Trump going to destroy the climate?

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Junglebell · 08/11/2024 22:45

Just been scrolling and came across this.

https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1854482837350555810

Is Trump for real? Surely someone needs to tell him that every scientist agrees that manmade CO2 controls the climate/

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izimbra · 09/11/2024 20:51

science.nasa.gov/climate-change/scientific-consensus/

This is useful

Article about what's meant when we talk about a consensus on climate change.

Also recommend this podcast exploring climate change denialism:

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/origin-story/id1624704966?i=1000617129362

It's a 2 parter. Second part here:

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/origin-story/id1624704966?i=1000617827182

XChrome · 09/11/2024 20:54

timenowplease · 09/11/2024 20:38

That's Olympic gold medal level hair-splitting,

Yes, absolutely, almost.. scientific... 👀

It's an important distinction to make because firstly getting published and peer reviewed is a limiting process. How many articles reaching the opposite conclusion have for whatever reason not been accepted for publication in peer reviewed journals? Or received funding even? You could argue there are none because they did not reach the correct academic standards. Or you could argue that no one wants to step out of line and get cancelled.

Either way, it's not correct to say 99% of scientists agree on something. They don't.

Most scientific organizations have also issued statements agreeing, so that dog won't hunt.
Hanging the basis of your argument on an unknown and a wild hypothesis (thaf many of them are of afraid to disagree or are being conspired against to suppress their work) is not worth discussing here. This isn't thread about conspiracy theories. The same goes for valuing peer reviewed studies as less important than the theoretical personal opinions of theoretical scientists.
Unless you can demonstrate that a great many peer reviewed studies which reached the opposite conclusion were, in fact suppressed and do in fact exist, there's nothing of substance to talk about on this matter.

timenowplease · 09/11/2024 21:01

XChrome · 09/11/2024 20:54

Most scientific organizations have also issued statements agreeing, so that dog won't hunt.
Hanging the basis of your argument on an unknown and a wild hypothesis (thaf many of them are of afraid to disagree or are being conspired against to suppress their work) is not worth discussing here. This isn't thread about conspiracy theories. The same goes for valuing peer reviewed studies as less important than the theoretical personal opinions of theoretical scientists.
Unless you can demonstrate that a great many peer reviewed studies which reached the opposite conclusion were, in fact suppressed and do in fact exist, there's nothing of substance to talk about on this matter.

No need to get prissy.

I picked you up on your statement that 99% of scientists agree on human induced climate change. That statement is untrue. End of.

swimsong · 09/11/2024 21:05

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The irony of people complaining about the anti climate change industry making profits - and then posting links to youtubers making big dosh from anti anti climate change videos.

XChrome · 09/11/2024 21:11

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This is simply an opinion piece, not peer reviewed research.
Can you substantial your claim that skeptics can't get funding?

XChrome · 09/11/2024 21:15

timenowplease · 09/11/2024 21:01

No need to get prissy.

I picked you up on your statement that 99% of scientists agree on human induced climate change. That statement is untrue. End of.

Wasn't prissy. Just matter of fact.
You knew perfectly well what I meant, so don't be disingenuous. Obviously I do not have a device that reads the thoughts of every scientist on earth. Duh.

Texanholdem · 09/11/2024 21:16

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Texanholdem · 09/11/2024 21:18

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Texanholdem · 09/11/2024 21:20

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izimbra · 09/11/2024 21:23

@Texanholdem

"And yet more proof that the consensus of scientists thing is bollocks.

wattsupwiththat.com/2023/08/30/97-consensus-what-consensus/ "

Do you check your sources at all?

You've just posted a link to an organisation called the C02 Coalition, described as such:

"The CO 2 Coalition is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit advocacy organization in the United States founded in 2015. Its climate change denialist claims conflict with the scientific consensus on climate change."

Its CEO is the former CEO of the American Petroleum Institute.

Texanholdem · 09/11/2024 21:33

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SallyWD · 09/11/2024 21:40

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Wow

izimbra · 09/11/2024 21:40

@Texanholdem

"Rather than do the usual ad-hom attack, why not pick holes in their science instead? Here you go, this should keep you busy:

co2coalition.org/facts/

I don't have the expertise or knowledge base to challenge the science, which is why I turn to reputable organisations like NASA who do.

You also don't have the knowledge or education to do this. The difference between you and me is you don't have the good sense to consider whether the sources you're using are reputable.

I could literally hold any BS position - let's say 'HIV doesn't cause AIDS' or 'the earth is flat', spend 3 minutes on google and post links that 'prove' these are correct.

Seriously, do better.

XChrome · 09/11/2024 21:42

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😄
https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-adviser-created-group-to-defend-co2/

Try using valid sources. Oh wait. There are none.

Here's a handy list of the dozen worst propaganda groups, so you don't have to waste more time quoting politically motivated misinformation.

https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2022/03/21/the-dirty-dozen-the-biggest-nonprofit-funders-of-climate-denial/

Trump adviser created group to defend CO2

Fill up that gas-guzzling truck — global bursts of carbon dioxide will benefit society, feed the poor and help future generations thrive. Those are some of

https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-adviser-created-group-to-defend-co2

XChrome · 09/11/2024 21:44

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They aren't a scientific organization, they are a propagandist group. There is no science to poke holes in.

XChrome · 09/11/2024 21:48

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No, I mean evidence, not opinions expressed on some video. I'm not watching some long-winded video. I have shopping to do and don't have all day. Summarize any actual evidence (if any) or don't waste my time and further. Thanks ever so much.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:20

I’m quite happy to take my chances with climate change.

Like many, many Brits, I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing about it. I’m not interested. I don’t care how dramatic the predictions are…I’m over it.

I’m happy to see in 10-20 years where we are and just hope for the best.

I have no money for a heat pump, I earn way too much to get funding. But it just gets eaten up by mortgage rates and bills you know. I want to see more of my money so I can enjoy the world whilst I’m here, and travel the globe.

I’m really glad Trump is headed in a different direction and I hope we eventually go that way too.

Roll on the Welsh elections…fingers crossed for Reform.

izimbra · 09/11/2024 23:27

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:20

I’m quite happy to take my chances with climate change.

Like many, many Brits, I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing about it. I’m not interested. I don’t care how dramatic the predictions are…I’m over it.

I’m happy to see in 10-20 years where we are and just hope for the best.

I have no money for a heat pump, I earn way too much to get funding. But it just gets eaten up by mortgage rates and bills you know. I want to see more of my money so I can enjoy the world whilst I’m here, and travel the globe.

I’m really glad Trump is headed in a different direction and I hope we eventually go that way too.

Roll on the Welsh elections…fingers crossed for Reform.

@Llhaaf

"I’m quite happy to take my chances with climate change."

You live in a wealthy country that's not been severely impacted by climate change and is unlikely to be for several decades.

Maybe spend a small amount of time thinking about the devastation climate change is causing in vulnerable populations in some equitorial countries and coastal regions, and the consequences as far as population displacement goes.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:44

izimbra · 09/11/2024 23:27

@Llhaaf

"I’m quite happy to take my chances with climate change."

You live in a wealthy country that's not been severely impacted by climate change and is unlikely to be for several decades.

Maybe spend a small amount of time thinking about the devastation climate change is causing in vulnerable populations in some equitorial countries and coastal regions, and the consequences as far as population displacement goes.

I’ll let China do that.

izimbra · 09/11/2024 23:47

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:44

I’ll let China do that.

I accept that as individuals there are few changes we can make in our own life that will have a measurable global impact on climate change. But we can chose not to elect people into positions of great power who are climate change denialists. That's the least we can do.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:58

izimbra · 09/11/2024 23:47

I accept that as individuals there are few changes we can make in our own life that will have a measurable global impact on climate change. But we can chose not to elect people into positions of great power who are climate change denialists. That's the least we can do.

Many people have been affected by the cost of living crisis.

Bank accounts depleted by a pointless exercise in trying to avoid spreading a virus.

Interest rates soared, and people with £200,000, £300,000 plus mortgages found their monthly repayments nearly doubling.

Energy rates skyrocketed because we don’t produce our own energy and the place we did buy from got into a war - on the wrong side.

Four years on, I’m getting used to living in debt, despite working 5 days a week, long hours and in a job I have very little energy for these days.

My OCD and anxiety peaked and I can’t get a GP appointment, so no choice but to just live in that state.

When I come to vote, I’m not ashamed to say that I will not be thinking about the climate. I’ll be thinking about my bank balance, my life, the life of my kids, who because I earn too much, go without because we see no subsidies or top-ups. They are in uni, with no financial help really from myself, or very little, going into huge debt before they are even 21.

I will vote for whoever prioritises the economy. Working people. Lower taxes. Oh and immigration.

I expect that’s what Americans were thinking too.

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 00:06

And as for displacement, if President Trump closes the border, then that burden isn’t on him. The majority of immigrants aren’t displayed people anyway, they are largely economic migrants. Mostly young and male.

PlopSofa · 10/11/2024 00:14

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 08:43

Valencia has ongoing problems with dams and drainage.

Natural disasters have occurred throughout history and I don’t treat one-off events as evidence of climate change.

People see what they want to see.

Oh yes it’s all completely normal. Various towns regularly flood in Italy…???

https://x.com/volcaholic1/status/1854871160283877606/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1854871160283877606&currentTweetUser=volcaholic1

and turning the Amazon rainforest into a dust bowl. Oh yes, where most of our oxygen come from, what could possibly go wrong?

https://x.com/MikeHudema/status/1853115934434578638

People ignore what they want to ignore.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 10/11/2024 00:51

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An increase in severity has been observed and experienced.

The increase in the severity of hurricanes is due to global warming in the seas. Because the seas are warmer, hurricanes are so much more powerful when they hit land.

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/11/2024 00:56

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Thank you for that scientific contribution @Texanholdem.🤣🤣😬