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Climate Change

Good grief, is Trump going to destroy the climate?

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Junglebell · 08/11/2024 22:45

Just been scrolling and came across this.

https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1854482837350555810

Is Trump for real? Surely someone needs to tell him that every scientist agrees that manmade CO2 controls the climate/

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/11/2024 08:49

Did you expect to keep having children and increasing the global population yet somehow the demand for resources would decrease?

Maybe you should have a word with the conservative Christians about that...pretty sure they're generally keen on women having lots of kids. JD Vance might like 'Breed babies, breed' as a slogan.Hmm

Edingril · 09/11/2024 08:50

I thought it was already destroyed by the 'oh I'm bored let's throw paint on paintings' brigade

Werecat · 09/11/2024 08:52

FreshLaundry · 09/11/2024 08:40

The worry is that Trump guts NOAA and the measurement and science simply isn’t done in the first place.

Then the Europeans who are so bothered will need to stump up the money themselves. They can if they want to. They just prefer for the USA to bankroll everything.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 08:54

GoldenSunflowers · 09/11/2024 08:48

The one-off events seem to be multiplying. Bet hey, ho, our children can despise us and despair, we won’t be around 😢

Do they?

Some of the worst natural disasters happened in history.

I don’t disbelieve in climate change and global warming…and increased sea temperatures will cause more storms, hurricanes etc

But I also believe climate change will happen anyway as it has over many years. Cycles of weather will occur. Sometimes there will be stormy years and sometimes it will be better.

As for human contribution, we are not the problem. Some countries might be, but we are not. So no, I won’t do more and make myself poorer to combat it. And I don’t want my government making that decision on my behalf either.

I’m done with it now. Similarly to most Americans and it will form part of my decision when voting in the future.

Werecat · 09/11/2024 08:58

PSA: the number of global births had already peaked and did so years ago. The only thing increasing our population now is longevity. The population will hit its peak relatively soon, then will decline.

The population spread now means that this result is essentially locked in because of the percentage of women past child bearing age. Government focus needs to be on how to maintain stability with an ever shrinking workforce (preferably without poaching all the skilled workers from other countries who need them).

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 09/11/2024 08:59

Sadly I can't see change when people in Europe and UK are more interested in cheap shit from temu and shein and vapes and TikTok

We need to worry about China and put blockers on these goods and services . What trump does is small fry compared to the resources going into this and we are buying it and not seeing the consequences.

It makes me furious

NoCarbsForMe · 09/11/2024 09:05

Zampa · 09/11/2024 07:14

More drilling for oil in Alaska. A great wilderness destroyed for greed

He should arrested

SallyWD · 09/11/2024 09:05

There's an increasing number of people who think that climate change is a hoax. It's depressing. When one of these people is the most powerful man in the world, it's dangerous.

CrazyCatLady008 · 09/11/2024 09:07

So random Susan on mumsnet knows better than the scientists about global warming? 🤨

What's your science degree out of interest @Llhaaf?

Lairig · 09/11/2024 09:08

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 07:45

Scientists broadly agree that climate change is a real thing and that human activity contributes towards it.

But what scientists agree on, and the message the public get is quite different and this is because the middle men are politicians and business men, who have found an opportunity to make money. A lot of money.

We need to transition from fossil fuels to renewables, however there is disagreement on the speed that we have to do this. Not all scientists agree that we have to stop gas entirely and in essence make ourselves poor.

Here in the UK we have Ed Milliband advising Ed Milliband that we need to push harder and faster, and all be cold and poor. Meanwhile Ed will make money, men who are in the renewables business will thank Ed very very much, and the fossil fuel guys will be paid off handsomely. We will be told that we are all better people for it.

Scientists are not in agreement that this is the only way. Especially in the UK where we make so little difference. We aren’t even influencing bigger more polluting countries.

So Trump is deciding to put the economy first. He’s decided that the people want cheaper gas, cheaper energy, better lives, more money in their pockets. The majority of businesses want cheaper energy, less outgoing, more profit. People want to thrive again after a number of very hard years.

The world cannot stop using gas yet. The world needs oil. Here in the UK we’ve chosen not to produce our own energy, as this makes those aforementioned people richer. But we need gas. So we import it. Which is arguably worse as that has also has a massive carbon footprint. But we’re led to believe that’s better (for Ed).

Donald Trump knows America will need gas. And someone has to produce it for them to buy from. He’s decided to produce their own rather than destroy the economy and make people poorer, by importing what they need.
Personally, I think this is a sensible idea that has got him voted in as the 47th president.

Finally, will this impact on the whole world and climate change? Yes. Because people abroad are going to ask why we need to be poorer, and why we need to buy our fuel from America? People will vote for people who want to put the people first. The climate change plan will become less at the forefront of concerns.

I’m traditionally a conservative voter living in Wales. I will be voting for Reform in a couple of years, because I have decided I’m fed up of struggling and I hope that with values more aligned with the Republican Party, they may be that chance of living a few years of my life more comfortably. I’m just not rich enough, or middle class enough to be able to afford climate change.

Interesting post.
Personally I believe that climate change is absolutely real.
Now I can't believe that anyone would vote for a rapist like Trump but I find Musk helping him curious. Let's say that it's possible to build technology which can ameliorate global warming, the person who can do it is Musk. I may not like his politics but he is a genius of the first order and actually makes things that work. Just look at the rocket launcher being caught on its return. Musk and Trump and all their friends build solar shields in space and become richer than gods? The climate change academic population, who I do respect, seem to always say we can't engineer our way out of it. They may well be right but perhaps the next stage of human engineering is just round the corner. It seems like a long shot but asking people to become poor? People don't trust their neighbors enough for that, we're all too selfish, the ship has sailed.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 09:12

CrazyCatLady008 · 09/11/2024 09:07

So random Susan on mumsnet knows better than the scientists about global warming? 🤨

What's your science degree out of interest @Llhaaf?

You don’t need a science degree to undertake research or read, or think critically.

Or to feel poorer.

Or to notice lies and corruption in government.

Or to make connections between the people in power promoting climate change and the companies making money from it.

I have a right then to form conclusions and make personal decisions not to blindly believe.

Jessie1259 · 09/11/2024 09:13

What people don't seem to be aware of is that Biden approved one of the largest oil drilling projects in the US for decades - in Alaska and called the Willow Project. In March 2023 Biden had approved nearly 100 more more oil and gas leases than Trump had at that point in his presidency.

But yeah Biden was a real planet saver.

HermioneWeasley · 09/11/2024 09:15

The Dems have got behind alternative fuels and green tariffs without a plan for how this impacts people’s daily lives. People have lost jobs in the fossil fuel industry, whole towns and communities have been hollowed out (we know how that feels from coal mining communities, yes?) and been forgotten - Dems have not helped those people impacted. They feel their lives now, their ability to house and feed their children has been sacrificed for a possibility in the future.

it’s another example of democrats and liberals thinking they know best and failing to make the case and take people with them.

I do believe in climate change and it worries me for my kids and any grandchildren I might have, but I wouldn’t be happy to lose my income now to fix it.

FreshLaundry · 09/11/2024 09:15

Who’s making money off climate change?!

HermioneWeasley · 09/11/2024 09:16

Jessie1259 · 09/11/2024 09:13

What people don't seem to be aware of is that Biden approved one of the largest oil drilling projects in the US for decades - in Alaska and called the Willow Project. In March 2023 Biden had approved nearly 100 more more oil and gas leases than Trump had at that point in his presidency.

But yeah Biden was a real planet saver.

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I think Alaskans get some sort of profit share from this, don’t they?

when I’ve visited there they are very balanced about pride in their state’s immense beauty, but also the need for jobs and industry.

Newbutoldfather · 09/11/2024 09:19

Climate change is a global problem that needs a global solution, but few are personally prepared to make sacrifices.

The rich countries export their carbon emissions to developing ones and reimport the finished goods. Rich people continue to fly ‘private’ and may pay for dubious carbon offsets. No one wants to be cold in winter or hot in summer (especially in the u.s) if they can afford not to be.

So far reduced emissions have been paid for by a ‘poll tax’ via increased bills, while government guaranteed prices for electricity have made power generation very lucrative.

If we really wanted to tackle it, it would have to be via very intrusive legislation, limiting house temperatures and pleasure flights taken per annum. But no one has the appetite for it. And a more tiered pricing structure, so if you wanted to use a lot (big house, air con), you would pay far more per unit than for basic heat and light. At the moment the structure is the opposite, with the poorest paying the most.

So, Trump has a point. Natural gas is clean and the carbon dioxide per unit of energy is relatively small.

Personally, I think a Manhattan project go get fusion would be transformative but, again, where is the appetite and imagination to fund and organise it?

Wednesdaysotherchild · 09/11/2024 09:22

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 08:28

I’m more worried about them affording homes, warmth, food etc.

And what do you think failed harvests around the globe due to drought and flooding will do to the price of food?

timenowplease · 09/11/2024 09:23

Junglebell · 08/11/2024 22:45

Just been scrolling and came across this.

https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1854482837350555810

Is Trump for real? Surely someone needs to tell him that every scientist agrees that manmade CO2 controls the climate/

Well, actually there are lots of scientists who don't agree that manmade CO2 controls the climate.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 09:30

FreshLaundry · 09/11/2024 09:15

Who’s making money off climate change?!

Fossil fuel companies are taking it in off the higher prices.

Renewable energy companies manufacturing wind turbines, solar panels, energy storage etc (most of which are pretty useless for much of the year in the UK)

Climate advisory services selling their advice to governments.

Insurance companies who can up their premiums because of climate change.

The government raising money through taxes and regulations.

The finance sector who is forcing the green agenda and asking for more money to fund green policies.

Climate change is quite lucrative and I was listening to the radio a few days ago and the host was saying that Ed Miliband just been found to be the only shareholder in the ‘independent’ company that’s advising him on climate change.

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 09/11/2024 09:31

'Personally, I think a Manhattan project go get fusion would be transformative but, again, where is the appetite and imagination to fund and organise it?'

It's happening - at CERN in Switzerland as well as elsewhere https://home.cern/news/news/knowledge-sharing/future-colliders-and-fusion-reactors.

The physics are now understood but it is a hell of an engineering problem but vast sums of money are flowing into it to try and work out how to do it. It is probably still 20-30 years away but actually 20-30 years now.

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 09:33

Wednesdaysotherchild · 09/11/2024 09:22

And what do you think failed harvests around the globe due to drought and flooding will do to the price of food?

Its circular.

I don’t believe in Armageddon. Therefore I’m not worried about it.

I am worried about people using climate change to make money and raise prices.

And there’s nothing that will change my mind about that.

Sakura7 · 09/11/2024 09:39

People see what they want to see.

You're a perfect example of that @Llhaaf

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 09:42

Sakura7 · 09/11/2024 09:39

People see what they want to see.

You're a perfect example of that @Llhaaf

We all are.

Very few people are able to keep a truly open mind and consider alternative views, allowing those views to influence and change final thinking.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 09/11/2024 09:49

Unfortunately climate change is a luxury belief when what you are worrying about is even just having enough to eat today. You don't have the strength left to worry about tomorrow when you can't even get through today.

timenowplease · 09/11/2024 09:51

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 09:42

We all are.

Very few people are able to keep a truly open mind and consider alternative views, allowing those views to influence and change final thinking.

Very few people are able to keep a truly open mind and consider alternative views

When did things get like this?

We are living in an age where we have unprecedented access to unfathomable amounts of information. A golden age. And yet most people have outsourced their critical thinking to a handful media outlets.

And these are the same people who will shout 'follow the science' and not have a single clue what the science is actually saying.

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