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Climate Change

Why Did Climate Activists Ruin Any Chance for Real Change?

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Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 15:42

A few years ago, there was a time when climate change was front and centre – every media outlet covered it, and it felt like a real movement. Greta Thunberg made her unforgettable speech at the UN Climate Action Summit on 23 September 2019, and I genuinely thought that change was coming. But instead of focusing on what mattered, so-called “climate activists” wasted everyone’s time by blocking roads, throwing soup at paintings, and carrying on with antics that alienated everyone. Now people hate climate activists, and the entire climate emergency feels like it’s no longer on anyone’s radar.

These activists squandered the momentum we had – the world’s attention was theirs for the taking. They could have organised events to inspire positive change. Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved. Instead, their pointless stunts only fed the media’s obsession with “disruptive activism.” Now many of them are either in jail or entirely sidelined, and people are left with the bitter aftertaste of a movement that once felt hopeful.

And here we are in 2024, amidst relentless climate catastrophes, and yet no one seems to care. Every month, another disaster hits – devastating floods in Valencia and British Columbia, hurricanes, wildfires everywhere, thousands dead from floods in Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines. Yet where’s the outrage? The sense of urgency? People have become desensitised, and it’s because the movement that could have made a difference lost the plot entirely.

I’m honestly at a loss. How can we get people to change daily habits for the planet now? The interest is gone, and the once-growing support for climate action has soured. We needed a rallying call, something to draw people in positively, but instead, all we got were empty gestures and headlines that did more harm than good.

What a terrible waste of an opportunity to make real, meaningful change.

The world isn’t asking for grand sacrifices. Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide. But somehow, we’ve normalised a culture that values seasonal excess over the long-term well-being of our own children.
So, as people flood stores and scramble online for deals, it’s worth asking: What will these presents mean if the world they’re brought into is increasingly uninhabitable? It’s not about guilt-tripping anyone but waking up to the reality that without urgent action, we’re robbing our kids of a future just to fill the space under a tree this year.

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username7891 · 01/11/2024 16:14

As well as governments, we all need to take responsibility for the environment. We can stop buying products which are made cheaply in developing countries with few human rights for example. They are carbon footprint heavy and just become landfill.

eurochick · 01/11/2024 16:51

I agree. And I despair of the Green Party. This is the time when Green issues should be at the forefront and the party should be leading the political conversation. Instead it is fannying about (pun only belatedly intended) with trans activism.

grumpypedestrian · 01/11/2024 16:56

Simply put, individual action is pretty much pointless when super yachts and private jets exist.

I still do my bit, but it doesn’t cancel out the super rich with their toys.

rickyrickygrimes · 01/11/2024 17:05

I don’t think vegan picnics would have made any difference OP. There was never going to be a joyful realisation that we could all come together, decide amicably how to tackle cc and actually make it happen.

The world isn’t asking for grand sacrifices. Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide.

I’m afraid this is not the case: individual lifestyle choices will not address the issues, the huge systemic changes, that need to be pushed through at the global level.

GildedRage · 01/11/2024 17:26

Many of these climate disasters are due to poor investment in maintaining infrastructure and allowing building permits in unsuitable areas.
Various governments are cash strapped.
The nutty activists are certainly more of a problem than help.

noblegiraffe · 01/11/2024 17:32

I’m not sure climate activists are to blame for the lack of real action, rather the governments and corporations who could have made meaningful change and didn’t.

There’s not much that individuals can do, not even a vegan picnic is going to make the difference needed.

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 17:36

eurochick · 01/11/2024 16:51

I agree. And I despair of the Green Party. This is the time when Green issues should be at the forefront and the party should be leading the political conversation. Instead it is fannying about (pun only belatedly intended) with trans activism.

I'm sorry this is very unfair on the Green Party. It's not all about trans issues at the exclusion of climate devastation. They've passed some very important resolutions on Gaza ...

Tooffless · 01/11/2024 17:38

As much as I hate extinction rebellion, COVID had a lot to answer for too.

Within a few weeks we went from being aghast at single use plastic to seeing plastic based masks discarded all over pavements and no one blinked an eyelid.

We also didn't use our cars for months on end and we barely went out but even these actions were not enough to make a dent in it. So how are we supposed to carry on in 'normal' times and make any impact on climate change?

We also saw China come to a halt and saw the huge pollution the produce reduce but then ramp right back up again the second it could. And I'm sure we would all love to avoid importing from China but realistically we let everything get manufactured there so now we pay the price. And the people who can afford goods locally made are those middle class affluent people in extinction rebellion!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/11/2024 17:39

Waiting for people to make voluntary changes is not going to achieve much. They need to be forced to change, and governments must change energy, transport and all sorts of other policies. Too many vested interests for there to be a lot of hope of that, though, sadly.

I was horrified by the pictures from Valencia yesterday. That flooding was much worse because of soil erosion inland, I believe, in combination with the very high rainfall and temperatures of recent months. The water just ran off the land instead of draining into it. I would hope it might give some people pause, but I'm not holding my breath.

KoalaCalledKevin · 01/11/2024 18:05

I don't disagree with you about extinction rebellion and their tactics.

But the people who say "well they've turned me off climate issues now, I would have cared but because of them I don't" are people who'd have found another justification for not giving a shit. The idea that anyone who did care to begin with would actually stop caring about the climate because of the tactics of some is completely idiotic.

Snorlaxo · 01/11/2024 18:17

I agree with a lot of your points but not vegan picnics. A lot of vegan products are not environmentally friendly or healthy (lots of airmiles and highly processed ) My personal food philosophy is more about eating local and veggie being better than vegan tbh.

Governments can do more but they prefer short term projects because they yield results before the next election cycle and reelection is their focus.

Firenzeflower · 01/11/2024 18:24

I think we just need to demand better. It's depressing how popular the what I'm not going to do for image change post on here was.
I despair but do what I can.
I'm praying Trump loses.
Mumsnet should be a real pressure group pushing for change. Lots of things are in motion - look at what's happening in parks in London with rewilding etc.
I swing from.despair to hope.
My current obsession is the AMOC.

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 18:28

I think it is dying a death because most of it is bullshit

Windfarms are an atrocity
Solar not much better
It is blatantly obvious we need fossil fuels or nuclear. And on the latter I cannot understand why the Green movement is largely against nuclear, the cleanest form of energy. But there you go, more bullshit.

The sermons by a 16 year old didn't go down well.

And those preaching and telling us what we should do still travel by private jet. If they really really thought carbon was about to bring us the end of the world, they wouldn't 'offset' carbon, they would stop their emissions completely.

Rummly · 01/11/2024 18:28

Nothing we individually do or that the UK government imposes can make any meaningful change to anthropogenic climate change.

We know this, the government knows this. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s just obvious. Like if the UK banned wine making: it would be of fuck all effect compared to the production globally. Except, of course, that de-carbonisation will cost us trillions.

Why the environmental lobby won’t admit this is one of life’s great mysteries.

Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 18:35

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 17:36

I'm sorry this is very unfair on the Green Party. It's not all about trans issues at the exclusion of climate devastation. They've passed some very important resolutions on Gaza ...

What the F has Gaza got to do about climate change?!? And why is Gaza the only war that anyone actually cares about despite many other wars currently going on around the world! Muslim VS Muslim no one cares. Muslim VS Hindu no one cares. Muslim VS Chinese communist party no one cares. Muslim VS Jew and everyone is up in arms.

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Summerhillsquare · 01/11/2024 18:39

What absolute nonsense.

It's the economy, stupid.

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 18:45

Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 18:35

What the F has Gaza got to do about climate change?!? And why is Gaza the only war that anyone actually cares about despite many other wars currently going on around the world! Muslim VS Muslim no one cares. Muslim VS Hindu no one cares. Muslim VS Chinese communist party no one cares. Muslim VS Jew and everyone is up in arms.

Are you under 30 by any chance? I've noticed that ability to detect sarcasm seems to be confined to the elderly!

(I entirely agree about disproportionate focus on Israel v Palestine)

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 01/11/2024 18:52

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 18:45

Are you under 30 by any chance? I've noticed that ability to detect sarcasm seems to be confined to the elderly!

(I entirely agree about disproportionate focus on Israel v Palestine)

Your post didn’t come across as sarcastic at all. It is a view that some hold.

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 18:59

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 01/11/2024 18:52

Your post didn’t come across as sarcastic at all. It is a view that some hold.

I stand corrected then, I noticed I've got two enthusiastic "thanks" on that post from people who have presumably misunderstood where I'm coming from Grin

Ponderingwindow · 01/11/2024 19:08

What we need is business investment in climate friendly practices. We need jobs that focus on developing products that are cleaner and processes that are more efficient. We need that market to help influence students to choose the right path of study to give them the skills required to invent and revitalize.

change isn’t going to come from giving up straws. Change comes from someone inventing a new form of packaging. Change comes from developing a distribution model that cuts down on fuel use. Change comes from tax incentives that encourage companies to take big swings to take the risk to invent the things that might actually help.

nomorehocuspocus · 01/11/2024 19:12

Maybe they don't really care about that particular cause as such, and were only joining in with the riots, criminal damage, vandalism and general antisocial behaviour because they just like the anarchy of it, and enjoy causing trouble.

Courgettesandonions · 01/11/2024 19:13

The environmental movement really took off in the 1970s. Ever since then environmental activists have been doing all they can to raise the alarm and try and influence positive change to avert the various disasters that we are now starting to live out. They've done that through direct action, protests, dialogue, lobbying, consumer campaigning, PR, political parties, vegan picnics(!), festivals, awareness raising, green tech, you name it.

XR came along with the same level of exasperation as the OP and essentially told the big orgs (Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth) that they'd been doing it AALLL wrong and what was really needed was direct action that led to mass arrests, overwhelming the criminal justice system and securing headlines due to the highly disruptive and visible nature of the protests. While they were very successful in getting mainstream attention, ultimately very little has significantly changed. The reason for this, imo, is that climate change is what they call a 'wicked problem', essentially it's an intractable situation. You can point to government or industry and say they need to do more, you can point to individual behaviour change, you can point to the need to change underlying societal values, but none of these things can change unless everything else changes, and changing just one of those things is neither wholly possible nor effective.

I understand your exasperation but XR aren't to blame, they just had the hubris of thinking that it would be easy (or even possible), and it isn't. I don't hold much hope tbh. The only thing I can see happening now is either a brand new refreshing movement, possibly coming out of a non-Western country that someone captures everyone's imagination (but again i doubt it would be successful), or some other completely unknown event that changes everything. I think most likely we will be forced to change by circumstance, but by the time we reach that point it will be far far too late.

scalt · 01/11/2024 19:27

Exactly. The only thing Just Stop Oil taught me was "Just Stop Oil are idiots". And they have indeed made me totally deaf to any cause they might have been championing.

Covid likewise - because of the relentless fearmongering and moralising, followed by Partygate, I will never be able to take any "pandemic" seriously again, or even anything the media tells us is an "emergency" or "crisis" again.

It's the problem with having a sensationalist media.

tygertygers · 01/11/2024 19:31

What a bloody cheek to blame climate inaction on activists instead of the massive corporations and governments who are pulling every lever to essentially fuck us over. What a stupid comment.

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 19:32

Great post OP.

More people would see it if you asked for it to be moved to Chat.