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Why Did Climate Activists Ruin Any Chance for Real Change?

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Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 15:42

A few years ago, there was a time when climate change was front and centre – every media outlet covered it, and it felt like a real movement. Greta Thunberg made her unforgettable speech at the UN Climate Action Summit on 23 September 2019, and I genuinely thought that change was coming. But instead of focusing on what mattered, so-called “climate activists” wasted everyone’s time by blocking roads, throwing soup at paintings, and carrying on with antics that alienated everyone. Now people hate climate activists, and the entire climate emergency feels like it’s no longer on anyone’s radar.

These activists squandered the momentum we had – the world’s attention was theirs for the taking. They could have organised events to inspire positive change. Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved. Instead, their pointless stunts only fed the media’s obsession with “disruptive activism.” Now many of them are either in jail or entirely sidelined, and people are left with the bitter aftertaste of a movement that once felt hopeful.

And here we are in 2024, amidst relentless climate catastrophes, and yet no one seems to care. Every month, another disaster hits – devastating floods in Valencia and British Columbia, hurricanes, wildfires everywhere, thousands dead from floods in Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines. Yet where’s the outrage? The sense of urgency? People have become desensitised, and it’s because the movement that could have made a difference lost the plot entirely.

I’m honestly at a loss. How can we get people to change daily habits for the planet now? The interest is gone, and the once-growing support for climate action has soured. We needed a rallying call, something to draw people in positively, but instead, all we got were empty gestures and headlines that did more harm than good.

What a terrible waste of an opportunity to make real, meaningful change.

The world isn’t asking for grand sacrifices. Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide. But somehow, we’ve normalised a culture that values seasonal excess over the long-term well-being of our own children.
So, as people flood stores and scramble online for deals, it’s worth asking: What will these presents mean if the world they’re brought into is increasingly uninhabitable? It’s not about guilt-tripping anyone but waking up to the reality that without urgent action, we’re robbing our kids of a future just to fill the space under a tree this year.

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Babush · 01/11/2024 19:40

KoalaCalledKevin · 01/11/2024 18:05

I don't disagree with you about extinction rebellion and their tactics.

But the people who say "well they've turned me off climate issues now, I would have cared but because of them I don't" are people who'd have found another justification for not giving a shit. The idea that anyone who did care to begin with would actually stop caring about the climate because of the tactics of some is completely idiotic.

They’ve made it impossible to make people care about the issues. All they’ve done is ruin beautiful things and inconvenience people. Impossible for the average person to identify with them.

thenightsky · 01/11/2024 19:43

Within a few weeks we went from being aghast at single use plastic to seeing plastic based masks discarded all over pavements and no one blinked an eyelid.

And let's not forget the people who were obsessed with testing and chucking that plastic in the bin every single bloody day in some cases! Twice a day according to some on here.

MonsieurBlobby · 01/11/2024 19:46

So what is the answer then? Are we just all totally fucked?

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 19:49

eurochick · 01/11/2024 16:51

I agree. And I despair of the Green Party. This is the time when Green issues should be at the forefront and the party should be leading the political conversation. Instead it is fannying about (pun only belatedly intended) with trans activism.

Totally agree with this

They're OBSESSED with trans issues and every time they have got anywhere near power they have caused mayhem. Look at Germany.

I used to vote for them. I don't any more.

MonsieurBlobby · 01/11/2024 19:50

I mean... There are so many ways to blame different groups of people (COVID testing fanatics, XR, the government, China) but what should we actually do about the climate crisis?Protest? Write letters? Wait and see? Change our own behaviour?

Genuine questions!

eurochick · 01/11/2024 19:51

I appreciated the sarcastic reply to my post.

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 19:53

To be honest, I've now got to the stage where I just live my life and run my business trying not to inflict damage so that I can looks my nieces and nephews in the eye and say "I tried".

We've been talking about this since the 80s and everything feels worse than ever.

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 19:55

MurielSpriggs · 01/11/2024 17:36

I'm sorry this is very unfair on the Green Party. It's not all about trans issues at the exclusion of climate devastation. They've passed some very important resolutions on Gaza ...

Ha

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/11/2024 19:59

Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved.

I agree. Mainly because some behavioural research says that the doom advice is worse for climate action than nothing. Joy-based, positive messaging is best.

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 20:06

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 18:28

I think it is dying a death because most of it is bullshit

Windfarms are an atrocity
Solar not much better
It is blatantly obvious we need fossil fuels or nuclear. And on the latter I cannot understand why the Green movement is largely against nuclear, the cleanest form of energy. But there you go, more bullshit.

The sermons by a 16 year old didn't go down well.

And those preaching and telling us what we should do still travel by private jet. If they really really thought carbon was about to bring us the end of the world, they wouldn't 'offset' carbon, they would stop their emissions completely.

You are wrong. The transition to renewable energy is charging ahead at full steam (ha!)

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 20:07

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/11/2024 19:59

Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved.

I agree. Mainly because some behavioural research says that the doom advice is worse for climate action than nothing. Joy-based, positive messaging is best.

That's a really good idea. We should do that.

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 20:12

Uk annual CO2 emissions

Why Did Climate Activists Ruin Any Chance for Real Change?
LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 20:14

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 18:28

I think it is dying a death because most of it is bullshit

Windfarms are an atrocity
Solar not much better
It is blatantly obvious we need fossil fuels or nuclear. And on the latter I cannot understand why the Green movement is largely against nuclear, the cleanest form of energy. But there you go, more bullshit.

The sermons by a 16 year old didn't go down well.

And those preaching and telling us what we should do still travel by private jet. If they really really thought carbon was about to bring us the end of the world, they wouldn't 'offset' carbon, they would stop their emissions completely.

Also, we aren't transitioning to nuclear because it's far too expensive. Solar and wind are super cheap.

avaritablevampire · 01/11/2024 21:20

One thing absolutely every single person can do on a global scale, which will have a huge impact on our environment/ global warming is the ocean.
The ocean is the single most important factor for life on earth.
plastic dropped (even inland find its way into our water systems and carried out to sea, where it enters into the food chain). Picking up plastic bits from the beach and binning it can really help. All developed countries should have very strict fishing quotas, the 'by catch' waste is iniquitous. All countries need to take the plight of our ocean much more seriously. And these massive ocean liners should be banned, unfortunately money makes it very unlikely, but the damage they inflict to coral reefs (the equivalent of terrestrial rainforests) is massive and very concerning. There is currently research going on looking at how the noise pollution humans are creating is damaging the aquatic life, by disrupting sonar signals which dolphins and wales use to locate their food.

YankeeDad · 01/11/2024 21:48

The reason we have not done anything even close to sufficient to address the climate crisis is NOT climate activists. Had Just Stop Oil, XR, etc. Not even existed in the first place, I believe that we would not be any further advanced than we are on solving the underlying issues.

The reason we have not done anything is close to sufficient is it is bloody difficult, because it requires large numbers of people to accept to consume fewer material resources. It also requires leaders and ruling classes of multiple different states to prioritise that problem over their other more obviously immediate problems. That goes against the capitalist culture, so some would blame capitalism, but actually humans liked seeking pleasure and comfort and power was a thing long before capitalism had even been imagined.

Our very nature, and our social behaviours and habits, makes it difficult for us to solve this problem.

Some of the climate activists are really, REALLY annoying but they are definitely not causing the problem, nor making it worse in any material way.

scalt · 01/11/2024 21:49

And those preaching and telling us what we should do still travel by private jet.
They fly to their "climate change conferences" in their private jets too: the irony. I wouldn't be surprised if Greta flies when she thinks nobody is looking.

Monvelo · 01/11/2024 21:52

It's not either or though. People could have done the mass mobilisation protests. But most people don't care enough to. It's hard to know how to change that. Which I guess is where the just stop oil tactics came into play.

Tooffless · 01/11/2024 22:30

If stopping climate change becomes profitable we will see the tide turn. I suspect GM crops and trees will probably be the way forward. Big companies making tons of money planting god knows what in the Sahara desert under the guise of planet cooling.

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 22:57

The tide HAS turned, though. Well and truly. Predictions in 2010 were for civilisation - ending climate change. That is now no longer the case. There's more we need to do, but the future is looking far, far rosier than it was only a few years ago.

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 22:59

Those changes in predictionsxare due to an unexpectedly rapid uptake of renewable energy, by the way.

WestwardHo1 · 01/11/2024 23:00

hamstersarse · 01/11/2024 18:28

I think it is dying a death because most of it is bullshit

Windfarms are an atrocity
Solar not much better
It is blatantly obvious we need fossil fuels or nuclear. And on the latter I cannot understand why the Green movement is largely against nuclear, the cleanest form of energy. But there you go, more bullshit.

The sermons by a 16 year old didn't go down well.

And those preaching and telling us what we should do still travel by private jet. If they really really thought carbon was about to bring us the end of the world, they wouldn't 'offset' carbon, they would stop their emissions completely.

So how would you plan on tackling extreme weather events like the ones which are growing ever more frequent? And the waves of climate refugees who are already heading out of the countries where they were born because life in 50°C heat with high humidity is not possible.

That's not bullshit. It's happening.

LameBorzoi · 01/11/2024 23:15

I mean, just look at the graph above. The last time that the UK emitted so little CO2 was about the same time (the fictional, yes) Sherlock Holmes was(n't) lighting his pipe by the light of a gas lamp while waiting for a horse drawn cab.

scalt · 02/11/2024 06:58

Some of the climate activists are really, REALLY annoying but they are definitely not causing the problem, nor making it worse in any material way.

Are any of them having children?
Are they driving cars, when they think people are not looking?
And as for those big signs that they carry on their slow walks; just think of the oil needed to make them.

CurrentHun · 02/11/2024 07:15

I don’t hate any climate activists, I’m grateful to them. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t care about the latest climate disaster like the deaths in Spain from flash flooding. Awful. I entirely blame governments here in UK and governments around the world for allowing late stage capitalism and political authoritarianism to fuck over our natural world globally. This is just the start of the results of that and there are going to be huge impacts from for example mass climate migration that are going to have to be addressed, as swathes of the world become unlivable.

We need to galvanise political will and make big structural changes asap and to do what was can as consumers meanwhile, but it’s really essential to make huge government level changes to respond to climate emergency as soon as possible.

I’m so angry that the UK started to think about these things just a bit then wasted political years here on egotistical distractions like bloody Brexit. Then covid happened and now we’re economically struggling globally which is when the environment gets exploited more and more. It’s very worrying. It will need global cooperation to save a globe. The level of our conventional politics is typically so ego driven it makes me very anxious for what will happen to our kids and their kids.

okayhescereal · 02/11/2024 07:20

Think the 'individuals can't do anything' point of view is equally damaging. Not saying it isn't true, but I remember a time where it felt like the message was 'we can all do our bit!'. It felt like if collectively we all tried that we'd have the numbers and things would improve at least a bit. Whereas if we're still buying fast fashion, eating red meat, having multiple vehicles per house, taking several flights a year then aren't those the types of statistics that governments base policies on? Go with what the people are doing as that wins you votes. If the greens came out and said they were going to treble the price of diesel and beef (theoretically) I can't imagine they'd swing many voters!

Also agree with whoever said COVID was damaging, and celebrities. I was making all sorts of changes and sacrifices. I stopped eating meat, we switched to organic, only used reusable wipes and nappies, we stopped flying. Then you see articles which say the environmental impact of reusable nappies isn't that much better overall (obvs reduces landfill but in other ways they can be labelled comparable to disposable), or see a news story about a Kardashian sending their jet across the states for donuts and you think...why am I bothering? This is hard. It's hard to cycle to 6 different shops so you can get things at a price you can afford but in reduced packaging, it's hard to say 'no I'm not going to see family in x country because I don't want to fly this year', and when you see American TV shows where they're still using plastic forks and disposable coffee cups as standard, or come on MN and read about shein hauls etc it becomes very disheartening.

Not sure extinction rebellion could have been powerful enough to change the behaviour of the masses whether they threw soup or not. Didn't feel like they were targeting individuals and gaining followers that way, felt like they wanted to get the powers that be to stand up and listen. Really a shame that it got to road blockades and all the rest and that still doesn't appear to have happened.

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