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Why Did Climate Activists Ruin Any Chance for Real Change?

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Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 15:42

A few years ago, there was a time when climate change was front and centre – every media outlet covered it, and it felt like a real movement. Greta Thunberg made her unforgettable speech at the UN Climate Action Summit on 23 September 2019, and I genuinely thought that change was coming. But instead of focusing on what mattered, so-called “climate activists” wasted everyone’s time by blocking roads, throwing soup at paintings, and carrying on with antics that alienated everyone. Now people hate climate activists, and the entire climate emergency feels like it’s no longer on anyone’s radar.

These activists squandered the momentum we had – the world’s attention was theirs for the taking. They could have organised events to inspire positive change. Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved. Instead, their pointless stunts only fed the media’s obsession with “disruptive activism.” Now many of them are either in jail or entirely sidelined, and people are left with the bitter aftertaste of a movement that once felt hopeful.

And here we are in 2024, amidst relentless climate catastrophes, and yet no one seems to care. Every month, another disaster hits – devastating floods in Valencia and British Columbia, hurricanes, wildfires everywhere, thousands dead from floods in Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines. Yet where’s the outrage? The sense of urgency? People have become desensitised, and it’s because the movement that could have made a difference lost the plot entirely.

I’m honestly at a loss. How can we get people to change daily habits for the planet now? The interest is gone, and the once-growing support for climate action has soured. We needed a rallying call, something to draw people in positively, but instead, all we got were empty gestures and headlines that did more harm than good.

What a terrible waste of an opportunity to make real, meaningful change.

The world isn’t asking for grand sacrifices. Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide. But somehow, we’ve normalised a culture that values seasonal excess over the long-term well-being of our own children.
So, as people flood stores and scramble online for deals, it’s worth asking: What will these presents mean if the world they’re brought into is increasingly uninhabitable? It’s not about guilt-tripping anyone but waking up to the reality that without urgent action, we’re robbing our kids of a future just to fill the space under a tree this year.

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CurrentHun · 02/11/2024 07:22

Getting hung up on expecting any human being to be ‘perfect’ if they’re concerned about climate change (or not) doesn’t help either. Distraction, Nobody’s individually perfect, obviously. We all know this. So what.

We’re all currently living in an infinitely worsening climate emergency. Keep the focus on government action.

PleaseSnow · 02/11/2024 07:26

KoalaCalledKevin · 01/11/2024 18:05

I don't disagree with you about extinction rebellion and their tactics.

But the people who say "well they've turned me off climate issues now, I would have cared but because of them I don't" are people who'd have found another justification for not giving a shit. The idea that anyone who did care to begin with would actually stop caring about the climate because of the tactics of some is completely idiotic.

Yeah it's pathetic and the moronic British public have always done it. They get so worked up over protesters doing anything, totally missing the point that activists are trying to disrupt life to create change, usually to improve the lives of the idiots who hate them.

I've stopped caring. If people want to carry on having children while driving their massive SUVs, eating meat and buying new tat all the time from Home Sense, I really can't force myself to feel responsible if their kids drown in floods or burn to death one day. If climate change is real, the children of today will really suffer, and I don't understand parents choosing to put their kids through that. It's absolutely mental.

Edingril · 02/11/2024 07:31

Well what change are people themselves making including the activists? People blame everyone else

Alexandra2001 · 02/11/2024 07:38

Waitingforfriday75 · 01/11/2024 15:42

A few years ago, there was a time when climate change was front and centre – every media outlet covered it, and it felt like a real movement. Greta Thunberg made her unforgettable speech at the UN Climate Action Summit on 23 September 2019, and I genuinely thought that change was coming. But instead of focusing on what mattered, so-called “climate activists” wasted everyone’s time by blocking roads, throwing soup at paintings, and carrying on with antics that alienated everyone. Now people hate climate activists, and the entire climate emergency feels like it’s no longer on anyone’s radar.

These activists squandered the momentum we had – the world’s attention was theirs for the taking. They could have organised events to inspire positive change. Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved. Instead, their pointless stunts only fed the media’s obsession with “disruptive activism.” Now many of them are either in jail or entirely sidelined, and people are left with the bitter aftertaste of a movement that once felt hopeful.

And here we are in 2024, amidst relentless climate catastrophes, and yet no one seems to care. Every month, another disaster hits – devastating floods in Valencia and British Columbia, hurricanes, wildfires everywhere, thousands dead from floods in Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines. Yet where’s the outrage? The sense of urgency? People have become desensitised, and it’s because the movement that could have made a difference lost the plot entirely.

I’m honestly at a loss. How can we get people to change daily habits for the planet now? The interest is gone, and the once-growing support for climate action has soured. We needed a rallying call, something to draw people in positively, but instead, all we got were empty gestures and headlines that did more harm than good.

What a terrible waste of an opportunity to make real, meaningful change.

The world isn’t asking for grand sacrifices. Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide. But somehow, we’ve normalised a culture that values seasonal excess over the long-term well-being of our own children.
So, as people flood stores and scramble online for deals, it’s worth asking: What will these presents mean if the world they’re brought into is increasingly uninhabitable? It’s not about guilt-tripping anyone but waking up to the reality that without urgent action, we’re robbing our kids of a future just to fill the space under a tree this year.

Its got nothing to do with climate activists/Stop Oil etc thats just a cop out, an excuse to carryon as we are.

These protests were a reaction to Govt's/and us, doing SFA.

The rightwing don't believe in climate change, they will do all they can to stop any meaningful change, inc saying "oh nothing little ole UK can do"

To limit climate change, we need collective action, led by govt but thats not popular, because it means limiting travel, changing how we shop, who we trade with, tax changes.

Won't happen, can see this with the reaction to the very small changes Labour have introduced in taxation.... so we will continue as we are and world temp's will go up & up, currently predicted to to go to 3.5'C ... the 1.5C limit was pretty damaging, so fuck knows what 3.5C will do.

Fizbosshoes · 02/11/2024 07:57

I might (probably) be being totally ignorant here...but is built-in obsolescence (a small) part of the problem?
Obviously there are people who, out of habit, upgrade their phone/car/laptop every year....but for those that don't, often things have a limited life in that the battery runs down, you can't get certain apps or upgrades etc, or they just stop working.

I had my previous phone about 4 years but after that the battery wouldn't hold charge for a whole day,.

When I was a kid (80s/90s) our fridge for example seemed indestructible. We probably had the same one for a decade or longer.

We've had 3 fridges in about 6 years (one of which we had repaired twice)
Ditto we had a dishwasher where the drawers started perishing, but otherwise worked fine. We looked into simply replacing the parts and that was nearly as much as buying a new one, so we bought a new (to us, but second hand) one.

shockeditellyou · 02/11/2024 08:02

The Uk has made some of the most impressive moves towards green energy of any nation. And China is not far behind - they buy more electric cars than ICE cars. It’s not all doom and gloom!

okayhescereal · 02/11/2024 08:06

Fizbosshoes · 02/11/2024 07:57

I might (probably) be being totally ignorant here...but is built-in obsolescence (a small) part of the problem?
Obviously there are people who, out of habit, upgrade their phone/car/laptop every year....but for those that don't, often things have a limited life in that the battery runs down, you can't get certain apps or upgrades etc, or they just stop working.

I had my previous phone about 4 years but after that the battery wouldn't hold charge for a whole day,.

When I was a kid (80s/90s) our fridge for example seemed indestructible. We probably had the same one for a decade or longer.

We've had 3 fridges in about 6 years (one of which we had repaired twice)
Ditto we had a dishwasher where the drawers started perishing, but otherwise worked fine. We looked into simply replacing the parts and that was nearly as much as buying a new one, so we bought a new (to us, but second hand) one.

Yes absolutely. I think though I read there was legislation being introduced to curb this and make products, especially electrical ones, have a longer lifespan and greener production line?

okayhescereal · 02/11/2024 08:08

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/11/2024 19:59

Imagine if they’d held a massive climate festival across London’s Royal Parks, with vegan picnics, community pledges, workshops on sustainable living, and activities to get people actively involved.

I agree. Mainly because some behavioural research says that the doom advice is worse for climate action than nothing. Joy-based, positive messaging is best.

Have you heard Climate of Change? It's a podcast. Recommend it if you prefer the carrot to the stick...

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/11/2024 08:09

@MurielSpriggs

well, one of the thanks was from me, because I like a wry smile first thing in the morning.

Because our local Green ‘activist’ has not one but two enormous SUVs parked beside the Green Party poster in her front garden.

thehighgatevampire · 02/11/2024 08:13

Blaming climate activists for people’s lack of want to change because of how it will inconvenience their own lives is ridiculous.

Personally I have made some changes in my life like turning down the heating, going veggie taking less flights but none of that’s enough and I know it. We’d all have to pretty much completely change our lives and we don’t want so we’ll just go on ignoring it until it’s too late.

you might not like the way climate change activists go about things but they’re not to blame for other people doing nothing, or very little, to make changes even in the face of what’s happening around the globe.

Seasmoke · 02/11/2024 08:18

There are things being done, but I think all these climate activists have done is distracted people and turned more people against them. Kids who come from hugely wealthy families and retired people, who don't really care about the consequences of ' just stopping oil' (not being able to go to work and having pay docked/ambulances not getting through/ even not being able to take your kids to an art gallery) because they have either retired or because the bank of mum and dad/trust fund allows them to be musicians and 'performance artists' and professional activists. Why dont they do boring stuff like train to fit home insulation ( the shortage of people trained to do this is what's holding back the expansion of home insulation) or train to be engineers instead? People like this are doing far more to combat climate change than people wasting resources and other people's time and money throwing soup at paintings and glueing themselves to roads.

MonkeyToHeaven · 02/11/2024 08:19

Personally, I think the focus should always have been on the environment rather than climate. Something that's less contentious in terms of explaining the science.

Demanding clean air, water & protecting our biodiversity should be a cause that would be difficult to argue against. They'd require the same sort of actions, produce similar results and put the onus on the polluters to justify themselves.

Seasmoke · 02/11/2024 08:33

MonkeyToHeaven · 02/11/2024 08:19

Personally, I think the focus should always have been on the environment rather than climate. Something that's less contentious in terms of explaining the science.

Demanding clean air, water & protecting our biodiversity should be a cause that would be difficult to argue against. They'd require the same sort of actions, produce similar results and put the onus on the polluters to justify themselves.

Agree. We should be concentrating on getting our environment right and make it a more pleasant place to live. Don't want landfill or incinerators in your area? This is what you can do- recycle, buy less stuff, reuse as much as possible. Buy less disposable plastic and businesses will change to meet consumer demand and we will see redults to our own environment. The whole ' climate emergency/ we're doomed/10 years to the end of the world' stuff, especially when the deadline keeps passing and no matter how much recycling we do, no one is seeing any change to the disaster message. It gets to the point where ordinary people just think there's no point, that their lives are just more expensive and more difficult and climate activists are just adding another inconvenience to their lives.

Frowningprovidence · 02/11/2024 08:41

MonkeyToHeaven · 02/11/2024 08:19

Personally, I think the focus should always have been on the environment rather than climate. Something that's less contentious in terms of explaining the science.

Demanding clean air, water & protecting our biodiversity should be a cause that would be difficult to argue against. They'd require the same sort of actions, produce similar results and put the onus on the polluters to justify themselves.

Yes I agree. I have actually given up on climate change in that I don't feel I have an impact with all those wars going on and feel helpless.

But I do feel I can make my local environment nicer and I do think it's more efficient to not waste things and reuse them.

Werecat · 02/11/2024 08:44

Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide.

But that’s the thing - it’s not small shifts that are needed. Even on the individual level. A big one is that people need to stop buying plastic crap.

it is possible but needs to be brought about positively. If we were actually all still Christian the church could help by preaching about our stewardship of the earth. The need to protect and live in harmony with all gods creatures, etc. But the church has no power now.

governments also have very little power as compared to corporations. Autocracies have more, but in a democracy it’s extremely limited and you have to convince people. Which is nigh on impossible to do when interviews with XR repeatedly demonstrate they are sloganeers with little to no understanding of the facts, and they are supported by celebrities who deign to fly in on their private jets rather then appearing from where they are via video link. Battling against open hypocrisy is nigh on impossible.

Seasmoke · 02/11/2024 09:09

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thehighgatevampire · 02/11/2024 21:40

Werecat · 02/11/2024 08:44

Small shifts in everyday choices – buying less, reusing more, choosing sustainable options – could collectively turn the tide.

But that’s the thing - it’s not small shifts that are needed. Even on the individual level. A big one is that people need to stop buying plastic crap.

it is possible but needs to be brought about positively. If we were actually all still Christian the church could help by preaching about our stewardship of the earth. The need to protect and live in harmony with all gods creatures, etc. But the church has no power now.

governments also have very little power as compared to corporations. Autocracies have more, but in a democracy it’s extremely limited and you have to convince people. Which is nigh on impossible to do when interviews with XR repeatedly demonstrate they are sloganeers with little to no understanding of the facts, and they are supported by celebrities who deign to fly in on their private jets rather then appearing from where they are via video link. Battling against open hypocrisy is nigh on impossible.

Absolutely this, the time for small changes has already passed, we need to make seismic, really inconvenient, hard changes but most of us are unwilling to and just ignore the effects of climate change because it's not directly effecting us at the moment. I'm not preaching because I'm exactly the same.

BrickBiscuit · 02/11/2024 21:48

There is no hope for the climate, and it’s not because of activists. There are already Valencias all around the world (fires, floods, landslides, storms, desertification), and these will increase until we are all affected. Millions of tons of heavy oil are being burned shipping thousands of tons of plastic Christmas 2024 goods. Many green initiatives are smokescreens to keep corporate profits rolling. Ofgem allows your “100% renewable” electricity supplier to source fossil-fuelled power if it shows them enough REGO certificates bought on the side (though their clever words convince you otherwise). Electric vehicle and wind power infrastructure requires more fossil fuel to build than the energy it saves. Cheap food requires intensive environmental destruction. Our only hope is to build protection from the elements into our habitat. We haven’t even started, so it’s too late for that too.

LameBorzoi · 02/11/2024 22:45

Why? We are really starting to win on climate change. Pessimism is the last weapon of the fossil fuel companies.

LameBorzoi · 02/11/2024 22:48

BrickBiscuit · 02/11/2024 21:48

There is no hope for the climate, and it’s not because of activists. There are already Valencias all around the world (fires, floods, landslides, storms, desertification), and these will increase until we are all affected. Millions of tons of heavy oil are being burned shipping thousands of tons of plastic Christmas 2024 goods. Many green initiatives are smokescreens to keep corporate profits rolling. Ofgem allows your “100% renewable” electricity supplier to source fossil-fuelled power if it shows them enough REGO certificates bought on the side (though their clever words convince you otherwise). Electric vehicle and wind power infrastructure requires more fossil fuel to build than the energy it saves. Cheap food requires intensive environmental destruction. Our only hope is to build protection from the elements into our habitat. We haven’t even started, so it’s too late for that too.

You are wrong on most of that.

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BrickBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:55

"You are wrong on most of that."
No I’m not.
Extreme weather events occurring and increasing? Check.
Heavy-oil shipping? Check.
Ofgem allows fossil electricity to be sold as “100% renewable” using REGO certificates? Check.
EV and wind infrastructure requires more fossil fuel than it saves? True figures not available AFAIK, but highly suspected.
Cheap food = intensive agriculture = environmental damage? Check.
Failure to build protection from climate effects? Check.

BrickBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:57

LameBorzoi
Nice cartoon, but DARVO message. Optimism is the fossil industry’s smokescreen for business-as-usual.

LameBorzoi · 03/11/2024 10:36

BrickBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:57

LameBorzoi
Nice cartoon, but DARVO message. Optimism is the fossil industry’s smokescreen for business-as-usual.

No idea what DARVO means. That video is actually about how nihilism is the fossil fuel industry's last weapon.

We have actually made huge gains. We just need to keep building on them.

BrickBiscuit · 03/11/2024 10:47

LameBorzoi
DARVO is a tactic to avoid accountability for wrongdoing. The video is wrong. Optimism is what frees the fossil industry from proper scrutiny.

"We have actually made huge gains. We just need to keep building on them."
We have made small, insufficient gains. The comparative reset required to get to where we need is beyond our reach due to DARVO’s success. We should be building protection against extreme climate, but haven’t even started.

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