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Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread Part 2

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 01/05/2025 10:01

Hello, all and welcome to this lovely space for our continued chats.

A bit of background for anyone not familiar with this topic:

The Nigel Slater Christmas Chronicles readalong usually takes place here between November and February each year (the Christmas Chronicles being a book written by Nigel Slater full of winter recipes and anecdotes) It's been running for a few years, and the contributors have collectively decided it would be nice to have it running all year round.

So here it is. It is a place to appreciate all things Nigel-esque. Think seasonal food and recipes, enjoyment of nature, gardening, appreciation of the weather, and sharing of news and small moments of joy. It's a calm, cosy space for gentle chat and merriment so pull up a deckchair, grab a drink and relax.

A very hearty welcome to friends new and old!

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CrushingOnRubies · 02/11/2025 19:19

@RainbowZebraWarriori really want to read CC I think part of me can’t believe it’s that time of year, and I’ve got a mental block

@JellyBabiesmunchyes! We walked from Chapel Porth to St Agnes stopped for a pint and a sandwich then walked back.

JellyBabiesmunch · 02/11/2025 19:20

CrushingOnRubies · 02/11/2025 19:19

@RainbowZebraWarriori really want to read CC I think part of me can’t believe it’s that time of year, and I’ve got a mental block

@JellyBabiesmunchyes! We walked from Chapel Porth to St Agnes stopped for a pint and a sandwich then walked back.

I recognise that walk. It is magical isn’t it?

CrushingOnRubies · 02/11/2025 20:07

JellyBabiesmunch · 02/11/2025 19:20

I recognise that walk. It is magical isn’t it?

It is a beautiful walk. Although the hills which bookend either end are less magical

Bimblesalong · 02/11/2025 21:43

Oh my, @LillianGish , I’m not sure if I have. I will add it to my list and ask my pal if he has been there. What gorgeous ceramics.

@RainbowCrayons that sounds tough to deal with. It’s lovely to read of plans with littlies for Christmas though, precious times.

@RainbowZebraWarrior Im sorry to hear of dd’s travel struggles. You have made a marvellous choice with Nice though. Can I just park here though the warning not to take the train to Monaco or, indeed, the train that passes through Monaco and onwards. It is horrificly overpacked and one of the most nightmarish trips I’ve ever had. That said, you know how I love Nice 😊

we’ve spent the weekend in London, away from the dust. The builders arrive at 7am in the morning to take up the floor and the new kitchen units are being delivered at 8.30am 😵‍💫

for your delight, this weekend I took dh to see the Cartier exhibition at the V&A - oh my those diamonds, particularly this Nawab’s decoration and a gorgeous opal tiara. We heard the vocal gymnastics of Mozart’s Queen of the Night aria at the opera house in The Magic Flute - awesome. Today has been a very nice trip to Santa Maria Novella for some VVVN melangrano body oil and soap, followed by jazz at Ronnie Scott’s. Back to the dust now and microwave meals. Roll on a couple of weeks and having a usable kitchen!

Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread Part 2
Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread Part 2
Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread Part 2
Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread Part 2
LillianGish · 02/11/2025 21:56

Your trip to London sounds fabulous @Bimblesalong - it reminds me I need to get some more Melograno soap myself, I have one tablet left, but I can’t bring myself to unwrap it until I know I have some more in reserve. Ultimate Nigel. Nice will be fabulous @RainbowZebraWarrior.

Bimblesalong · 02/11/2025 22:45

@IngenTing lovely piccies. It feels such a cleansing thing looking at them.

@EphemeraleEudemonia what are those amazing reddish fungi ? Are they edible? It so, do they have a particular taste?

@CrushingOnRubies what a fabulous picture. I wonder how far out that mine works goes.

Confusedmeanderings · 03/11/2025 01:41

Wow! Love those opals @Bimblesalong ! I have a ring with an opal that colour that I inherited from my grandmother. Nowhere near the same size though!

LovesAutumnLeaves · 04/11/2025 09:45

EphemeraleEudemonia · 02/11/2025 14:58

@RainbowCrayons glad you found your nerve to say Hi, sorry you're going through it.
@LillianGish I'm also struggling with the pace of the CC thread, but suspect it will quieten down at some point, but RZW I have no idea how you are managing.

Things aren't as I would like them here, but last weeks work took me to the New Forest, which was lovely, all the horses are recently drifted and wearing fresh cut tails to prove it. Lunch break resulted in a little communing with mushrooms.

Still harvesting the last courgettes here, and I don't remember ever having a glut of them (or other things) so late on, but we're also growing everything in poly-green houses instead of glass (VNN but increased yeilds) in a different position from what was the normal site.

Tonight's dinner is going to be almost entirely foraged or home grown, which will do the Christmas budget no harm at all. 😋

Sorry if it's a daft questions @EphemeraleEudemonia but what does it mean that the horses are drifted? And so then having fresh cut tails?

LovesAutumnLeaves · 04/11/2025 09:52

RainbowZebraWarrior · 01/11/2025 18:36

I always love your posts and pictures @IngenTing so thank you as they fill my soul with joy.

If you are comfortable with private messaging me your address, I'd like to send you some St Eval candles. I bought a lot in the sale at the end of last winter and would be more than happy to share some with you.

@RainbowZebraWarrior That's such a kind thing to offer @IngenTing. I remember you sending @Bimblesalong a little hamper during her recovery journey, you really are a kind soul xx

EphemeraleEudemonia · 04/11/2025 10:44

@Bimblesalong Sounds like you had an amazing time. 🙂
The mushroom's a type of crimson wax cap. It has a delicate nutty flavor but it's mainly used for it's texture and color and added to other mushrooms to liven them up, rather than as a standalone ingredient.
(You can take a few if there's lots together in the wild, usually forests or naturally grazed un-farmed grasslands, but general rule of thumb is to leave the majority to continue sporing as the loss of those sorts of lands is slowly making them, and swiftly, several other varieties, rarer.)
The much plainer meadow wax cap is plentiful, good flesh and texture, much more mushroomy and tasty as a standalone.

@LovesAutumnLeaves it's not a daft question. The only daft questions are generally the ones we fail to ask. I have a foot in a different world with a different set of 'automatic knowledge,' but I wouldn't know where to start with credit cards and mortgages etc, and tbh I'm a bit unsure about 'Netflix fires' which I'm sure is rather automatic knowledge for many on here. But we all bring our different bits together here in an appreciation of whatever we perceive to be the better things in life, especially at Christmas.

'Drifting' is the gathering up and bringing in the commoners (people who reside - or have right of residence- on common lands) depastured (not kept in fields) horses, donkeys, pigs, and cattle, and checking and attending to their health, in some places ensuring they're branded, ensuring any and all fees are paid, any reflective collar is safe and causing no bother, and (in the case of horses) cutting their tales in specific cuts, to show both that it's been done, by which agister, (official) and in which agisters patch the animals owner lives, as the horses and cattle are free to live in any part of the commons they fancy. (though pigs are driven back, as 'pannage' rights is about both fattening the pigs on acorns, and reducing the numbers that horses or cattle eat at once. Once the fee is paid, the animal is turned back out. (Romanies have their own tail cutting marks, and will usually bring their horses to the drift clipped to show and pay the fees)

Epping Forest, New Forest, Forest of Dean, and a few others have Verderers which is an ancient court system that rules some commons and forests and has been going since Medieval times.

The agisters are hired by the verderers. The verderers are half elected and half appointed and hold what's called the Atlas of Forest Rights.
Agisting means allowing grazing for money. The question is who 'owns' the land, so has the 'rights' to charge, and in some cultures can anyone 'own' land, or is common land free of ownership... From which the battle to uphold old rights continues to this day.
The agisters used to be Crown agents of the Royal courts who charged non commoners and Romanies for depasturiseing animals for grazing their horses, collecting fallen wood, mushrooms, acorns, and nuts, (it gets complicated when the church is involved and both double taxing and no taxing took place) and imprisoned those who didn't pay.

The agisters also have to deal with animals that get stuck or injured or are ill, or noways are hit by vehicles. Agister aware signs, on a dead animal or fallen tree tells you it's being dealt with.
Many maintain links to those with old 'straddling' commons, heath or moor rights, who are able to help ensure that animals stolen are more easily traced, and large scale commercial foraging doesn't go undetected.

The verderers and agisters 'balance out' with/against the Forestry Commission on trying to preserve rights checks and balances.
Dartmoor also runs on agisters but balances out with/against the Dartmoor National Park Authority.
The fresh cut tails, says that each drift at each part of a forest or or moor, has taken place, correctly, and all animals with the cut are healthy, treated etc.

I'll post some tail cut pics, - an ancient system of tail cropping, kind of like a vehicle tax disc, in that it tells lots of things about the animal or vehicle, in a simple form and that all is legit and paid for.

KrazyboutKillian · 04/11/2025 11:04

@EphemeraleEudemonia
that was such an interesting post , thank you x

EphemeraleEudemonia · 04/11/2025 13:29

Pic is specifically New Forest agisters cuts. Last two pics are of New Forest commons dwelling mares, as opposed to forest dwelling mares. (most of the year all are mares as only a limited number of stallions are put out for a short season to ensure good breeding. Second yr male foals are removed.)

The clipping and turning out fee (after the initial branding or ear tagging fee) is off the top of my head £29 for a forest dwelling pony and £14 for a commons dwelling one. (cows are £29 if forest dwelling, and £3.50 for commons I believe)

Other forests and moors have different systems, but it all comes down to land and contents being enclosed and 'owned' and who does or doesn't have the right (legally and morally) to do that, or charge others for use of it.

In the old days on Dartmoor a fee had to be paid to the Duchy of Cornwall.
( King Edward 3rd turned an area into the 'Duchy of Cornwall' and 'gave' it to his son to provide him with an income. It is now 'given' to each monarchs male heir, Prince William being the current one) .Animals could only graze from sunrise to sunset and drifts took place purely to catch those 'illegally' grazing, either entirely, or extra munching out of hours.
It's evolved into land and animal management. But the words '‘fyne d'ville drift' still echo down.

The drifts weren't announced and tenants had to turn out, or provide workers and horses to assist the drifts, and keep it secret to catch those who hadn't paid.
Horns where sounded at dawn (occasionally dusk) from the tors, through blowing stones to magnify volume and prove the size of the horn used was reasonable, and any animal found to be out would be driven down, checked against markings lists, and either fresh tail clipped and impounded against a smaller fine for it's extra eating out of hours, or just impounded as a 'stranger's'
animal. Fines for recovering impounded animals where hefty and the owners had just over a fortnight to pay, or the animals went to market and profits to the Duchy.

Knowing where, when, and what, a horse or human can utilize, and why it might be a bad, or perfectly reasonable usage, is a set of ever changing legal and moral arguments.

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LovesAutumnLeaves · 04/11/2025 14:35

@EphemeraleEudemonia thank you so much for your detailed explanation!! It's absolutely fascinating! I must admit, I had to read your post a couple of times to allow it all to sink in. As you say, we all have our own normal of automatic knowledge and sometimes we don't realise what we don't know until things like this crop up xx

EphemeraleEudemonia · 04/11/2025 15:11

LovesAutumnLeaves · 04/11/2025 14:35

@EphemeraleEudemonia thank you so much for your detailed explanation!! It's absolutely fascinating! I must admit, I had to read your post a couple of times to allow it all to sink in. As you say, we all have our own normal of automatic knowledge and sometimes we don't realise what we don't know until things like this crop up xx

Or what we do know, until we try to explain it and don't know what might interest and what would simply bore. 😊

I realized the 'automatic knowledge' about Netflix fires which made me realise how behind the times I am, was on the NS CC read-along thread.

Confusedmeanderings · 04/11/2025 21:18

Thank you @EphemeraleEudemonia , that was really interesting and informative. I knew a bit about grazing rights and commoners, but I didn't know about the tail cuts.

Bimblesalong · 04/11/2025 21:50

Wow @EphemeraleEudemonia that is fascinating. Thank you so much!

@RainbowZebraWarrior i still have my little bowl of frankincense, although my beautiful candle is long burned through and enjoyed. This is a very special thread of support and connection.

CrushingOnRubies · 04/11/2025 23:16

@EphemeraleEudemoniaNew Forest ponies are so special. Will never forget last year driving back from the isle Wight ferry through the New Forest and coming across them

i received something very Nigel in the post today. But I don’t want to say anything more for a couple of weeks. But can’t wait to tell you all

AgathaMystery · 04/11/2025 23:20

@EphemeraleEudemonia thank you for this fabulous knowledge. I love it!

@Bimblesalong we were at Cartier on the same day!! I loved it. I was next to a wonderful Scottish lady who had been 3 times! That opal tiara was her fave. I loved a small brooch in the style of a Japanese obi the best. I would wear it every day. I mean, I’d wear most of it every day if I’m honest. I adored it.

Does anyone have the link to the CC thread? I am going to try again this year!!

RainbowZebraWarrior · 05/11/2025 06:36

AgathaMystery · 04/11/2025 23:20

@EphemeraleEudemonia thank you for this fabulous knowledge. I love it!

@Bimblesalong we were at Cartier on the same day!! I loved it. I was next to a wonderful Scottish lady who had been 3 times! That opal tiara was her fave. I loved a small brooch in the style of a Japanese obi the best. I would wear it every day. I mean, I’d wear most of it every day if I’m honest. I adored it.

Does anyone have the link to the CC thread? I am going to try again this year!!

Here's the link my lovely

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/christmas/5432484-the-nigel-slater-christmas-chronicles-readalong-2025?page=24&reply=148309539

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 05/11/2025 14:45

I think I'm becoming weary already of the CC thread. The repetition is starting to do my head in after so many years and I have nowt new to say. I've loved running this thread, as it's been different, but going back to talking about the exact same things every day is feeling like groundhog day now.

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LillianGish · 05/11/2025 16:47

Don’t let yourself be overwhelmed by the CC thread @RainbowZebraWarrior - all you need to do is put up the introductory blurb for each entry (which I believe you said you copy and paste from previous years) then let everyone else comment (or not) as they see fit. You only need to interject if the mood takes you - or just hit the react button. I find it quite therapeutic to read the book at a slow pace throughout the season and also to catch up with the thread because it feels very cosy thinking of everyone else doing the same. I did wonder if I’d be a bit Nigeled out having kept up with this thread all year, but I’ve found the slower pace here rather soothing and I feel I’ve got to know some posters really well. CCs now feels a bit more frenetic by comparison, but it’s nice to see some old faces to popping up and I do think the rate of posting will slow as we move through the season.

Bimblesalong · 05/11/2025 18:33

@LillianGish has perfectly put my feelings into words too, @RainbowZebraWarrior

I’m very happy to bimble along with our little group of kind souls. It is lovely to see similar joys in the CC thread, although very fast-moving compared to previous years (although maybe it’s me slowing down!).

RainbowZebraWarrior · 05/11/2025 19:15

You both make perfect sense and I agree entirely @Bimblesalong and @LillianGish

I'm going to do my usual post each day and step back a bit. It does seem a bit frenetic after our gentle meanderings throughout the year, and I can't maintain that level of interaction in the longer term. I'm having an Ehlers-Danlos flare up at the minute, so I know I need to take it easy (and would be the first to tell others to do the same)

Thank you ❤️

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HannahDefoesSpringFling · 05/11/2025 19:33

@RainbowZebraWarrior you've put so much care into both threads but I just wanted to agree with the others and say it's ok to hold it more lightly and just see where the thread goes.
Its a shared task and there is lots of enthusiasm there this year.

If posting the entries gets burdensome then I'm happy to do some. Or at least try.

Your flare up is a good time to cut back where you can. As you know

EphemeraleEudemonia · 06/11/2025 08:00

@RainbowZebraWarrior Others have put it better than I can, but adding my voice in agreement.
I said a few days ago that I had no idea how you did both threads. I'm reminding you because as that thread gathered pace and weight, it was visible the momentum of the wagon was a threat to the horses.
(The traditional remedy for which is to cut the traces fast and save the horses! Wagons survive, and can always be repaired, unlike horses.)

While you are amazing, nothing comes without a price. Please do 'hold it more lightly' (beautiful phrasing) and let the enthusiasm of others carry the actual weight of it.
If it looks like it's flagging (unlikely) others can 'give it a stir.' It's your baby, but you have a family happy to help.

You/others should pop the pre-prepared bits up, and anyone else can, jump on and do 'roundup's' if it looks to need or want them, as longer term CC posters. The thread's highly likely to quieten down anyway, but even then, you aren't supposed to in anyway burn yourself out maintaining it.
Please share the load with those able to offer help, formally or casually. Hope the ED flare up dies down soon enough. Flowers