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Find my in-laws' idea of Christmas really depressing

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Christmashuffs · 20/10/2018 13:18

NC just in case.

So, a bit of background.

Christmas has always been a lovely occasion in my family. I come from a working-class home, the type where family was the most important thing. We never had loads of money and lived in a terraced house on a council estate (although my parents did own it). There were several years growing up when my parents didn't really have the money to buy us gifts, so we got some hand-me-downs or homemade gifts (which, tbh, were pretty amazing - my dad actually made my brothers petrol go-karts out of old lawnmower parts one year), and we were none the wiser, honestly.
Coming from a Catholic family, we focused on the Nativity at home, but family was a huge part of our tradition. Mum had a lovely artificial tree and we weren't allowed to put it up until everyone was all together. We decorated it while singing carols, drinking hot chocolate (mum had a vodka and coke - now that I'm in charge of my own decorations, I understand why), and reminiscing about all the "special" decorations we had (e.g. "great aunt so-and-so bought us this when she went to Eurodisney).
The day itself usually passed in a flurry of excitement. We went to mass in the morning, opened presents, watched whatever Christmas movie was on TV (usually The Muppets Christmas carol), went for a family walk to see all the lights, and then sat down to dinner with my aunt and cousins who always spent at least part of the day with us.
Even now, when my brothers and I are all grown up and out of the house, we still have the same attitude toward Christmas. A huge amount of thought goes into gifts - we don't really care about cost, but it's always clear that we've thought about the recipient. My parents are still massively generous, especially toward charities etc, and have instilled in me that Christmas is a time to put selfishness aside and be as generous as you possibly can - not just with money, but with your time and your love as well. On the years we spend Christmas with them, DH is always amazed by how lovely it is.

That's probably because his family have a different idea of Christmas - and life in general, really. He grew up in a wealthy family. Seven bedroom home, several foreign holidays a year, tuition to pass exams lest he bring the family to shame. In laws are now retired and mention how broke they are every time we see them. They don't behave as though they are - still take regular foreign holidays (3 or 4 per year), MIL always buying new designer handbags, etc.
But when it comes to Christmas, they are really miserly, and it seems they've always been this way. Their only tradition appears to be getting a real Christmas tree, which they then didn't decorate. I gave them a lovely artificial one a few years ago, as they were complaining about the cost of the real one. Went to put it up and they didn't even have lights to put on it. I had to go out and get some. They do use the tree and the lights every year now.
When it comes to gifts - and I don't want to sound grabby - they are shocking. E.g. a couple of years back, DH and I both got soap on a rope. MIL always wants quite specific gifts from us (e.g. a particular designer purse), which we always get because we know it will make her happy. But it almost seems as though she goes out of her way to buy daft gifts that she knows we won't like.
Also, their Christmas day always consists of a long, luxury dinner (TBF they work very hard on this, but we always contribute something significant such as the turkey or ham), followed by an hour-long argument about which board game to play, culminating in SIL throwing a huge tantrum (she is mid-20s and still storms out of a room for attention), everyone else getting told off by MIL for upsetting her, and then everybody sitting down to watch a movie with chocolates, while MIL tells everyone off for their unhealthy diets (she'll be eating the sweets as well, though). We get home late and in a bad mood and DH usually goes straight to bed with a headache.

I'm pregnant with my first this year and I just don't think I can cope with it. Would it be awful to barricade my doors and just spend Christmas with DH and the cat?

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Ignoramusgiganticus · 20/10/2018 16:32

I didn't want to give up my family christmas so we split our day. The long luxurious lunch is more important to the in laws so they get the earlier part of the christmas period then we go to my family for xmas day eve and boxing day. We get the best of both christmases and two present opening sessions.

BlowPoke · 20/10/2018 16:43

Let me get this straight: your MIL asked you for an expensive handbag and bought you soap on a rope and nothing else? That’s batshit crazy. The rest of it doesn’t sound too awful but I can’t imagine a parent expecting her grown child and spouse to spend hundreds of pounds on her while she spends less than a tenner each on them. Where does FIL fit in to all of this? What kind of gifts do they give the spoiled SIL?

Rebecca36 · 20/10/2018 16:45

You can make Christmas a magical time for everyone, you might find your in-laws like it and join in.

Rebecca36 · 20/10/2018 16:46

You are family and you could gently mention that they are not hard up, it's all relative and by many standards they're probably quite well off. Also that talking about personal finances, unless absolutely necessary, is not the thing to do.

MrsFezziwig · 20/10/2018 16:48

Another one here who can't get past you preferring an artificial Christmas tree when you reckon to be the Spirit of Christmas in human form. I will only have an artificial Christmas tree when hell freezes over when I am too old and infirm to deal with a real one.

Christmashuffs · 20/10/2018 16:52

@MrsFezziwig actually I love a real tree. I have one every year, plus an artificial one in my hallway :)

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Christmashuffs · 20/10/2018 16:54

@BlowPoke it was a designer purse a few years back, but in fairness to my MIL, it was in the sale so only about 50 quid. I'm nearly sure that the soap on a roap was from Poundland, though!

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AiryFairyUnicornRainbow · 20/10/2018 16:56

Oh god, i could have written your first post OP.

I used to love Christmas before I met Oh

But after two years of inlaws Christmas's and their demands, (which if not met, you get shouted at round their house on Xmas morning)...I hate it

They have literally made me hate Christmas. I hate the way they do everything. I don't just dislike it, I hate it. It is enforced 'fun' that no one is actually enjoying whilst MIL moans like fuck yet refuses any help. Martyr that she is

We stopped 'doing' Christmas , a few years ago..because it felt like such a chore. We told them, but still they persist on buying the shit soap on a rope type stuff that ends up in the charity shop. We dont join in the family meal, we dont attend. We see them in January or something and give presents the kids, and give in to no demands for expensive stuff from other adults

Christmashuffs · 20/10/2018 16:58

@BlowPoke honestly FIL is quite passive, but the first year we were married, MIL had given me a candle and he seemed quite embarrassed and later snuck me a Christmas tree decoration that he said made him think of me!! It was very sweet, he'd had it all wrapped with bows etc, but I daresay he got an earful.

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Aridane · 20/10/2018 16:59

I would prefer the ILs Christmas to something saccharine from Dickens!

Christmashuffs · 20/10/2018 17:00

@AiryFairyUnicornRainbow you get it!! I stand with you in solidarity.

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PrivateParkin · 20/10/2018 17:17

a packet of budget tarts

Sorry hopping but that did make me laugh! Good on you for binning them!!

Good luck OP. It's tricky when the ILs do things wrong differently. I agree that having your own Christmas is probably the way forward.

diddl · 20/10/2018 17:28

Presumably though you could have hosted ILs at yours & done a Christmas with them how you wanted it?

It doesn't have to be alternated with both sets of parents once you have moved away.

Often easiest to stay put with young ones though.

folduptheocean · 20/10/2018 17:39

It doesn't sound that bad. Without the arguing sounds rather nice actually. Nice lunch, board games and choccies!

Runnynosehunny · 20/10/2018 18:02

My dh does tactical sleeping at family parties. He eats a massive dinner and then kips most of the afternoon. If you are pregnant you could definitely get away with that.

Butterflycookie · 20/10/2018 18:34

Rather than not going to your mil’s for Christmas could you not invite them round. If you host then you can do things on your own terms and show them how much fun they can have!
For me, we have a Christmas dinner and watch tv. We don’t play games or anything. So I don’t actually think your in law’s Christmas is that bad. I like the run up to Christmas but not really the actually day. Over the last few years we’ve been going to my aunts for dinner, with my other cousin and his children being there too. Which is nice being all together but that’s about it really.

Last year I had to work for the first time on Christmas Day. It didn’t feel like Christmas at all. Just be lucky you don’t have to work on Christmas Day Blush

KC225 · 20/10/2018 18:53

I read in one of Diana books that the first christmas she was maried to Charles she went to Harrods and spend loads on presents not realising realising they swapped things like handkerchiefs and bath salts, just tokens of no importance.

Alanamackree · 21/10/2018 09:24

I sympathize OP because my in-laws suck all the joy out of my Christmas without doing or being anything particularly objectionable. It’s all just minor clashes of culture and values and manners that grate when we’re forced into extended close proximity. And mil’s stuffing is just wrong

The thing is though that Christmas isn’t about the surface details. What you describe in your family of origin is the triumph of a set of values over the challenges of poverty.

Our challenge isn’t poverty, and in some weird way I can’t put my finger on the more money we have the harder it becomes to hold onto the core values that make Christmas special.

I come from a more-the-merrier-shove-up-and-make-room culture of hospitality where everyone is welcome to share what you have. DH feels that you can only invite people if you have lavish amounts of food and space and matching furniture. Neither is right or wrong and for me one of the challenges of Christmas is to welcome his family into my home and make them feel welcome (by their standards as well as mine), and to accept their hospitality in their home and not judge them for a lack of warmth in the same way that they shouldn’t judge my family for a lack of material things. We can only give what we have.

It’s natural to see the differences and being judgy is part of the process of figuring out what values are important to you. Just be careful not to hold onto the surface substance of your Christmas and lose the core values.

That said, it’s not easy. I celebrate a sneaky Christmas on the winter solstice, without saying much about it to DH or the dc. To them it’s just an evening we mark with a special meal. But it keeps me going on the years I have to endure an in law Christmas. Have you considered putting in place some family traditions around Christmas Eve or Boxing Day or even New Year to get your Christmas fix?

Christmashuffs · 21/10/2018 11:01

Before this year, we couldn't really host anybody as we were living in a tiny house. We could host them now, though, and plan to at some stage over Christmas.

@KC225 I've heard that too! Apparently Harry bought the Queen a shower cap that said "Life's a bitch" and she loved it. Don't think I'd get the same response with that one!

@Alanamackree the shove-up-and-make-room culture - yes! My DH can't understand how I ate my boxing day dinner every year, balancing a plate on my knee while sitting on the floor at my granny's house, with my back against the radiator. A small house, coupled with a large extended family, none of whom wanted to give up their boxing day get together, meant you just had to settle where there was space. I never thought anything of it, tbh.

I think with the "old money" crowd, there's a bit of eyebrow raising at this type of behaviour, and I'm doubling down on the judgeyness because I'm feeling judged.

DH and I do try to have a special meal together on Christmas Eve when we can. We call it "little Christmas". :)

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ballseditupforever · 21/10/2018 11:08

Have Christmas at yours and invite everyone. Then have the Christmas you want.

Ignoramusgiganticus · 21/10/2018 12:13

Alan
That's very insightful

choli · 22/10/2018 04:03

There is nothing magical about buying stupid tat like Christmas pajamas and bedding. Seriously, if that is your idea of magical you should probably examine your life.

Bowerbird5 · 22/10/2018 10:50

Christmashuffs of course you can. We always set an extra place. The DS ‘s usually know someone who is on their own and bring them. They try to let me know but also know there is plenty of food. One lad from Europe has been coming for about 8 years bar one when he went home. It is now part of his tradition to come and have a British Christmas instead of carp. We exchange a small gift too. Another came for three years. A place was set for another who lost his mum in case he wants company. He hasn’t been but knew he could. It is a bit like Alanamacs. Shove up and make room.

My extended family meet up on Boxing Day. We started it when I was ten. Since living here I have only managed to go once and took DD who asked who were relations. I counted 44 and a friend of my aunt. She hopes to go this year as she is off travelling. First Christmas without her😢 she is vegan so we always have a vegan option as well and she gets cross if the boys eat more than a spoonful.

Choli I had never bought Christmas PJs before but the kids at school were excited about getting them so a few years ago I bought DD some. She was 23 and thrilled especially as she was living in the south and finds it very cold up here now. I put a fleece with reindeers on the bed for her too. We just put them out for her now though not this year😭 as she is hoping for a hot Christmas.

PeonyBlushSuede · 22/10/2018 11:42

I know how you feel. Will be spending whole day at ILs this year and won't be eating Christmas dinner with DH - he'll be eating in the front room with BIL as "no space" (can I add even just PIL and their children the table is one person short) Part of Christmas for me is everyone squeezing round the table, all on different height chairs talking about life as a family. It's going to be weird and hard - first one where I'm there all day!

BlueOooChristmas · 22/10/2018 14:26

Ooh you have the perfect excuse, please use it or else this will be your life for the foreseeable future. I love Christmas too. I'm already listening to Christmas songs and I've bought most of the gifts. So I get it.

When our eldest DD was born we were very clear and polite in explaining we would now be spending Christmas together as a little family unit. It's not that I dislike the inlaws, or my parents for that matter, but I just don't have any desire to spend the children's Christmases driving around. In truth I think my parents were relieved as they were able to start booking Christmas holidays away without guilt and the inlaws finally stopped asking last us last year (SIL still goes). We still make an effort to spend a day with each family over the holidays but not Christmas Day. That belongs to us and the kids. Honestly, do it, you won't regret it. Start making your own traditions.

In terms of presents, we only buy for our parents and any children in the family. All other family (siblings, cousins, aunts & uncles etc...) get a box of biscuits/chocs. Before we did this the cost was getting ridiculous to buy people things they either asked us directly for or weren't that fussed about. Initially we got a sniffy response from SIL and family but they got used to it. My side of the family were relieved.

I think the problem is there is so much to think about at Christmas that it all sounds wonderful but the reality of buying for all these people just isn't fun, it's stressful. Boiling point for me was the year I spent over £100 buying for my brothers family and I got a box of smellies back. It wasn't the money so much as the complete lack of thought. After Christmas I found out that a family member worked at boots and they got a % off so everyone got smellies ... then I was even less impressed!

Then there was the year my SIL sent us a book that was clearly for husband but tagged to both of us. I know it's not buying to receive but really, there is just no thought in some of these gifts. So if it's like that and people are going through the motions, why bother! I'd rather spend the time and money on my kids and husband.