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CerealB0wl · 2023-08-29T12:29:44+00:00

As a baby in the mid 90s I was given 5 vaccines at 8 weeks, 12 weeks and 16 weeks. These were for diphtheria, pertussis, polio, tetanus and HIB. My newborn is due EIGHT at the same time! I'm not keen on this relatively new 6 in 1 vaccine. What happened to the 5 in 1 and why is hep b included for newborns? I'm also not keen on the side effects of the men b vaccine. I had a dangerous allergic reaction to a vaccine as a teen so I'm worried about this for my baby too. Has anyone successfully asked for vaccines to be separated or decline certain jabs without declining all of them? I still want certain vaccines so I don't want to completely decline. P. S. Please don't make this a pro vaccine/anti vaccine debate. I just want to hear others' experiences. Thank you.

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CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 30/08/2023 09:05

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/08/2023 22:12

Nasty, sneering expression designed to denigrate and marginalise those who refuse to adhere to "correct think".

This is why the injured and those with injured children are denied a voice.

All medications have side effects. All of them. So it's absolutely vital that we question what is being administered to tiny babies.

One size fits all is NEVER good health care.

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I agree totally. I think vaccines are amazing and I wanted my dc vaccine ages BUT not to the one size fits all schedule.

It’s strange as it’s not frowned on to worry about side effects from my other type of medication/treatment but if you have concerns about vaccines you get jumped on and called all sorts of awful things 😞

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 30/08/2023 09:05

*vaccinated

woodenbeam · 30/08/2023 09:26

I have had no vaccines myself. I have had measles, German measles, chicken pox, mumps and probably more. My siblings have all had the same illness although a few had meningitis. I do think younger generations forget that in the past this was part of childhood and I don’t know anyone who died of measles, mumps - obviously meningitis is different. The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness. The same with hepatitis, i only know people who got that through dodgy blood transfusions in hospital. i find the level of fear attached to these illness is now hysterical. I think you sound like a great mother in that you are asking the question, not just blindly doing as you are told. Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts. Good luck and what is the harm of spacing them out if it makes you feel better. I don’t know one adult that can remember a childhood injection - although our generation did not have any!

sashh · 30/08/2023 10:03

The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness

There was fear though.

When my mother was pregnant with me she went to visit her cousin who had a little girl.

The following day the little girl was ill and taken to the Dr who diagnosed rubella, mum's cousin burst into tears, not because of her daughter but because my mum was pregnant.

My mum spent 6 weeks in hospital as a child with diptheria.

I've had chicken pox and mumps and they were not fun.

In 1950 the mortaility rate for under one years old was 3.2 %.

Without vaccination medical treatment for the diseases we vaccinate against is still in the 1950s.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 30/08/2023 10:21

woodenbeam · 30/08/2023 09:26

I have had no vaccines myself. I have had measles, German measles, chicken pox, mumps and probably more. My siblings have all had the same illness although a few had meningitis. I do think younger generations forget that in the past this was part of childhood and I don’t know anyone who died of measles, mumps - obviously meningitis is different. The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness. The same with hepatitis, i only know people who got that through dodgy blood transfusions in hospital. i find the level of fear attached to these illness is now hysterical. I think you sound like a great mother in that you are asking the question, not just blindly doing as you are told. Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts. Good luck and what is the harm of spacing them out if it makes you feel better. I don’t know one adult that can remember a childhood injection - although our generation did not have any!

I don't know anybody who has been to Greenland but I don't deny it exists.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 30/08/2023 10:22

A few of your siblings having meningitis is quite unlucky. Though brain swelling is of course a not uncommon serious and life threatening complication from several childhood illnesses.

cptartapp · 30/08/2023 10:38

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 29/08/2023 18:03

Yes we did this

We started later at 12 weeks not 8, declined the rotavirus (due to bowel and allergy issues) and we split all the other vaccines doing each a month apart. We then did the 1 year vaccines at just over 2.5 years

We will do the pre school booster a little later too age 4-5 probably and split those too

The schedule and gaps between vaccines are scientifically calculated and set as they are for a reason.
So be aware that splitting them, even if with good intentions, may mean they won't be as effective over time.
Most childhood vaccines are not available singly anyway. So the idea of giving six individual jabs instead of the six in one is a complete non starter.
Practice nurse.

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 30/08/2023 10:47

cptartapp · 30/08/2023 10:38

The schedule and gaps between vaccines are scientifically calculated and set as they are for a reason.
So be aware that splitting them, even if with good intentions, may mean they won't be as effective over time.
Most childhood vaccines are not available singly anyway. So the idea of giving six individual jabs instead of the six in one is a complete non starter.
Practice nurse.

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We didn’t do single jabs we gave the standard nhs ones but one at a time and the GP said it wouldn’t reduce effectiveness at all

SaveMeFromMyBoobs · 30/08/2023 12:26

woodenbeam · 30/08/2023 09:26

I have had no vaccines myself. I have had measles, German measles, chicken pox, mumps and probably more. My siblings have all had the same illness although a few had meningitis. I do think younger generations forget that in the past this was part of childhood and I don’t know anyone who died of measles, mumps - obviously meningitis is different. The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness. The same with hepatitis, i only know people who got that through dodgy blood transfusions in hospital. i find the level of fear attached to these illness is now hysterical. I think you sound like a great mother in that you are asking the question, not just blindly doing as you are told. Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts. Good luck and what is the harm of spacing them out if it makes you feel better. I don’t know one adult that can remember a childhood injection - although our generation did not have any!

They were part of childhood, in a time when infant and child mortality rates were much higher. Vaccinations are one of several factors which have massively bought down childhood mortality rates.

1 in 4 people who get mumps get meningitis. 1 in 5 unvaccinated people who get measles require hospital treatment - much higher than the hospital admission rate for diseases such as covid. How do you think the NHS would cope with all the extra manpower and monetary burden of treating people with these diseases that over 90% wouldn't have gotten had they had a very cheap vaccine? Why would I as a parent choose to risk a 25% chance of meningitis over 90% chance my child not get that illness? Death may be unusual but even 1 in 1000 is too high, there are 700,000 babies born each year. Thats 700 babies that would die unnecessarily, and these diseases can have long term complications in a much higher number of survivors.

While you may have been ok, there are many people which would be extremely vunerable due to immunosuppression etc that most people being vaccinated helps to protect. Vaccines have their place in society for a reason.

CurlewKate · 30/08/2023 12:52

@woodenbeam "Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts."
Always a sound approach to medical issues....

cptartapp · 30/08/2023 14:35

CrunchyPeanutButtermum Most GP's know very little about vaccination. They very rarely administer them and in over twenty years of me attending immunisation training there has never been a GP present. Delaying the gaps does reduce the efficacy. This has been reinforced to us time and time again. The gaps are scientifically calculated for maximum benefit.
The GP likely went along with your plan because any vaccines given are better than none (and they get paid for giving them). And at the end of the day we can only give what you consent to anyway.

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 30/08/2023 14:56

cptartapp · 30/08/2023 14:35

CrunchyPeanutButtermum Most GP's know very little about vaccination. They very rarely administer them and in over twenty years of me attending immunisation training there has never been a GP present. Delaying the gaps does reduce the efficacy. This has been reinforced to us time and time again. The gaps are scientifically calculated for maximum benefit.
The GP likely went along with your plan because any vaccines given are better than none (and they get paid for giving them). And at the end of the day we can only give what you consent to anyway.

Well I suppose even with potential reduced immunity some is better than none, I didn’t know what else to do as I couldn’t not vaccinate but couldn’t do the nhs schedule after what we had been through before so I’ll have to hope it was/will be enough immunity to be beneficial

JohnnysMama · 30/08/2023 14:56

Do you think GPs should be informed well about vaccinations? They are the first point of contact when parents bring their babies for 8 weeks checks and immunisation. My GP was not able to give any answers when I was asking about certain vaccines and referred me to Oxford vaccine group.

Q2C4 · 30/08/2023 21:19

woodenbeam · 30/08/2023 09:26

I have had no vaccines myself. I have had measles, German measles, chicken pox, mumps and probably more. My siblings have all had the same illness although a few had meningitis. I do think younger generations forget that in the past this was part of childhood and I don’t know anyone who died of measles, mumps - obviously meningitis is different. The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness. The same with hepatitis, i only know people who got that through dodgy blood transfusions in hospital. i find the level of fear attached to these illness is now hysterical. I think you sound like a great mother in that you are asking the question, not just blindly doing as you are told. Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts. Good luck and what is the harm of spacing them out if it makes you feel better. I don’t know one adult that can remember a childhood injection - although our generation did not have any!

Died, maybe not, but mumps triggered my type 1 diabetes which has had a huge impact on my life. Could have done with having the mumps or MMR vaccine whilst I was still small!

mycoffeecup · 30/08/2023 21:33

CurlewKate · 30/08/2023 12:52

@woodenbeam "Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts."
Always a sound approach to medical issues....

Yes except most of the people who do that for vaccines think that 'research' is an online video.

EmilyBrontesGhost · 30/08/2023 22:25

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 30/08/2023 09:05

I agree totally. I think vaccines are amazing and I wanted my dc vaccine ages BUT not to the one size fits all schedule.

It’s strange as it’s not frowned on to worry about side effects from my other type of medication/treatment but if you have concerns about vaccines you get jumped on and called all sorts of awful things 😞

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It's a religion.

People believe in them in blind faith.

So any deviation from the orthodoxy is immediately jumped on because it challenges their religious belief.

Personally I will never take ibuprofen again because the one time I tried it I immediately had a bad reaction.

But I don't get called an anti-proffer.

EmilyBrontesGhost · 30/08/2023 22:30

woodenbeam · 30/08/2023 09:26

I have had no vaccines myself. I have had measles, German measles, chicken pox, mumps and probably more. My siblings have all had the same illness although a few had meningitis. I do think younger generations forget that in the past this was part of childhood and I don’t know anyone who died of measles, mumps - obviously meningitis is different. The thing is people will say my great aunt died of measles, and it will be the case, but even in the old days this was rare. Like a young person dying from flu, very unusual. There was no fear around normal childhood illness. The same with hepatitis, i only know people who got that through dodgy blood transfusions in hospital. i find the level of fear attached to these illness is now hysterical. I think you sound like a great mother in that you are asking the question, not just blindly doing as you are told. Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts. Good luck and what is the harm of spacing them out if it makes you feel better. I don’t know one adult that can remember a childhood injection - although our generation did not have any!

Goodness, I'm with you.

Measles was nowt.

We had measles parties to catch it and "get it over and done with".

chmod777 · 30/08/2023 22:47

EmilyBrontesGhost · 30/08/2023 22:30

Goodness, I'm with you.

Measles was nowt.

We had measles parties to catch it and "get it over and done with".

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A lot of people dies of measles. And still do due to twats like you.

Religion. Fucking hell I hope you refuse all medical treatment since its apparently a religion.

ShineBright1209 · 30/08/2023 22:57

I think with each of my children the vaccine schedule changed, I just went with what was recommended at the time as I’m definitely not a doctor/nurse or any kind of medical professional. I do remember questioning why with my last child the men c vaccine had been changed to the 12-13 month immunisations instead of the baby ones and was told it was because research had shown young babies haven’t been getting it. Was slightly confused by the theory as obviously little babies wouldn’t have be contracting it as much as they were being vaccinated against it early.
Mine have all had them at the recommended ages and I personally couldn’t wait for my youngest 2 to be able to get vaccinated against men b after watching my eldest fight for his life at the age of 3 after contracting it.

CurlewKate · 31/08/2023 07:49

@mycoffeecup "CurlewKate
@woodenbeam "Have a good research on the topic and follow your own instincts."
Always a sound approach to medical issues....

Yes except most of the people who do that for vaccines think that 'research' is an online video."

Sorry-I'm with you. I forgot that exasperated sarcasm doesn't show up in a separate font.

CrunchyPeanutButtermum · 31/08/2023 08:18

ShineBright1209 · 30/08/2023 22:57

I think with each of my children the vaccine schedule changed, I just went with what was recommended at the time as I’m definitely not a doctor/nurse or any kind of medical professional. I do remember questioning why with my last child the men c vaccine had been changed to the 12-13 month immunisations instead of the baby ones and was told it was because research had shown young babies haven’t been getting it. Was slightly confused by the theory as obviously little babies wouldn’t have be contracting it as much as they were being vaccinated against it early.
Mine have all had them at the recommended ages and I personally couldn’t wait for my youngest 2 to be able to get vaccinated against men b after watching my eldest fight for his life at the age of 3 after contracting it.

Yes that always worried me about the men c vaccine as I thought the same that clearly babies that age weren’t getting it due to being vaccinated ?!!!

MrsFinkelstein · 31/08/2023 09:36

cptartapp · 30/08/2023 14:35

CrunchyPeanutButtermum Most GP's know very little about vaccination. They very rarely administer them and in over twenty years of me attending immunisation training there has never been a GP present. Delaying the gaps does reduce the efficacy. This has been reinforced to us time and time again. The gaps are scientifically calculated for maximum benefit.
The GP likely went along with your plan because any vaccines given are better than none (and they get paid for giving them). And at the end of the day we can only give what you consent to anyway.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had patients come to me looking for advice after their GP has given them totally outdated information (work in Sexual Health).

I also remember an old friend of my mums who trained as a "fever nurse" in the 50s - specifically to work in the Infectious Disease Hospitals - most of her patients were suffering from what we would now call vaccine preventable infections. Adults and children.

Vaccines have been too successful - society has forgotten what many of these diseases are actually like.

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CerealB0wl · 01/09/2023 19:44

Can people please stop derailing the thread with their 'if you don't vaccinate immediately then your child will definitely catch polio and cause a pandemic' etc. I just wanted to hear from people who spread out their child's vaccinations rather than having 8 in one go. I spoke to a nurse at my practice and she said they don't spread out the vaccines ie have the men b vaccine at a different time to the 6 in 1 etc because it messes up the vaccine schedule in the baby red book.

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TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 01/09/2023 20:00

CerealB0wl · 01/09/2023 19:44

Can people please stop derailing the thread with their 'if you don't vaccinate immediately then your child will definitely catch polio and cause a pandemic' etc. I just wanted to hear from people who spread out their child's vaccinations rather than having 8 in one go. I spoke to a nurse at my practice and she said they don't spread out the vaccines ie have the men b vaccine at a different time to the 6 in 1 etc because it messes up the vaccine schedule in the baby red book.

That's outrageous that the nurse (who should have slightly more clue as to why vaccinations are offered when they are and how important they are) puts it down to admin and the red book!

MisschiefMaker · 01/09/2023 20:04

This doesn't help you much but our GP surgery refused to vaccinate my DC when I asked if we could do them spread out. They said it wasn't possible. Something about not wanting to make our DC cry more than necessary.

There are private clinics where you can get it done though.