To think that everyone who told those with preschool children in 2020/21 to get a puddlesuit and that lockdown wasn’t that bad needs to read this

[manysummersago]

BBC link

Reading the above has made me feel so angry and sad at what was done to the babies and toddlers of this country, and I can’t believe that we let it happen, quite honestly.

There is no reasoned discourse on this thread. Just people venting about something that can’t be changed and directing their anger about it at the wrong targets. I’ll say it again. This is not new. There has long been a crisis in early years and provision for babies and toddlers, particularly for the disadvantaged in society. This pandemic has heightened the problem and spread it more widely. There will be no massive investment and the government will put more and more pressure on schools to mitigate its effects. It’s business as usual but just a bit more shit. We will do our best. But sure, have a go.

this is not new

I think you will find it is.

@manysummersago

I have no idea either but I don’t think some are going to be happy until we’ve accepted that life for teachers is worse than for anyone else, all teachers were working flat out throughout lockdown and babies and toddlers development was a necessary sacrifice.

I know the second isn’t true anyway.

I have never said that. You’ve misrepresented me. Again. So boring.

So mute the thread then.

@manysummersago

this is not new

I think you will find it is.

No it really isn’t. It’s just spread wider and those affected aren’t necessarily what you might call the traditionally disadvantaged.

I don’t think so

I’d say the pandemic response and impact on dc is worth talking about. Obviously if it’s considered done and people find it dull then by all means don’t.

As we start to see information like this coming out some will want to respond to that - no obligation though.

Yes, if you find the thread boring do just stop posting on it, Jimmy. I’m finding the ‘the real victims here are the poor teachers’ beyond tedious myself.

The decision to lockdown and the restrictions which were out in place had a massive detrimental effect on children.

I really hope lessons have been learned.

The paediatrician Alistair Monroe had been the voice of reason about the treatment of children and his Twitter account is clear about the need to balance the harms caused by the restrictions against the potential harms of the virus.

So to be clear, we shouldn’t talk about the children murdered during lockdown, children lacking in their developmental skills, behind socially, behind linguistically, because it’s done now, never mind. However, if you’re a teacher, you can keep going back to your anger at some MN posts here circa spring 2020.

Right, just so we all understand.

Actual advice my government was giving to parents of toddlers in summer of 2020.

Oh my god, @GoldenOmber - parent club still gives me the heebies.

In what universe is that ok?

@manysummersago

Yes, if you find the thread boring do just stop posting on it, Jimmy. I’m finding the ‘the real victims here are the poor teachers’ beyond tedious myself.

It’s the entrenched responses that are boring. I’ll stay, thanks. By saying that it’s not new I’m in no way minimising the effect on young children. I’m glad that now people are seeing the absolute mess that services for young children and families are in.

@GoldenOmber

Actual advice my government was giving to parents of toddlers in summer of 2020.

That’s horrible.

@JimmyGrimble

There is no reasoned discourse on this thread. Just people venting about something that can’t be changed and directing their anger about it at the wrong targets. I’ll say it again. This is not new. There has long been a crisis in early years and provision for babies and toddlers, particularly for the disadvantaged in society. This pandemic has heightened the problem and spread it more widely. There will be no massive investment and the government will put more and more pressure on schools to mitigate its effects. It’s business as usual but just a bit more shit. We will do our best. But sure, have a go.

Wise words, @JimmyGrimble.

"Children turning two years old will have been surrounded by adults wearing masks for their whole lives and have therefore been unable to see lip movements or mouth shapes as regularly"

This sounds odd. Surely the adults around young children/babies at home won't be wearing masks?

@manysummersago

So to be clear, we shouldn’t talk about the children murdered during lockdown, children lacking in their developmental skills, behind socially, behind linguistically, because it’s done now, never mind. However, if you’re a teacher, you can keep going back to your anger at some MN posts here circa spring 2020.

Right, just so we all understand.

Just to be clear, I’ll be working to try and help these children. What are your positive suggestions for improvements going forward. We can’t change the past. We have to move forward. What should we do? Rant and rave or get in with it?

I can’t see anyone ranting and raving

It’s in the news and now people are discussing the impact and damage on dc due to the pandemic approach

No one has to engage with it

I think the important thing is to acknowledge the harms done and ensure it never happens again.

*the harms to children

Indeed wouldbegood. I’d like to think it will never happen again.

I do think older children have suffered and especially teens but I find the article odd to be honest in relation to very young children - parents didn't wear face masks at home and the majority of parents got out and about as soon as places were open inbetween lockdowns - they made use of bubbles etc - I think it's just lazy parenting not to have toilet trained because the real reason is there was no incentive to get it done for nursery / pre school etc
The kids who have suffered are the ones whose parents took covid isolation measures to the absolute extreme due to their parents covid anxiety

@GoldenOmber

Actual advice my government was giving to parents of toddlers in summer of 2020.

That’s horrendous

Let’s put this into perspective shall we

In the 60’s and 70’s there were no toddler groups, playgroups, nursery’s etc, often you didn’t engage with lots of kids until school. You just had a few family friends, kids in the street to play with

It did us no harm

And let’s not forget as well that it’s parents responsibility to engage with their children, read them stories, etc etc it’s not just down to nursery’s or schools, although a great majority seem to think it is

The whole point is that those interactions were not allowed @Chloemol.

And babies can’t play out.

(Extra points if anyone references Anne Frank)

1. It did plenty of harm. The standards of the past are appalling. I don’t raise my child with passive smoking, smacking, no car seats, no seatbelts. All acceptable and even encouraged in the 60s.

1. Children of the 60s played with other children a lot and were exposed to different places and different spaces.