To think that everyone who told those with preschool children in 2020/21 to get a puddlesuit and that lockdown wasn’t that bad needs to read this

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BBC link

Reading the above has made me feel so angry and sad at what was done to the babies and toddlers of this country, and I can’t believe that we let it happen, quite honestly.

Once upon a time, parents actively raised their children and didn't expect that it would be outsourced to others. Covid was an amazing opportunity for parents of young children to actually have been actively involved in their children's development and many have failed their children.

A spectacularly witless statement if ever there was one .

Why not just say, "Women, get thee back to the kitchen sink where you belong"?

My children did not back to school in the summer term, they finished in March went back in September 2020 and then finished again in December barely a few months later through to April 2021 the following year. It was a disaster. So whilst it is great your gc went back to school for a brief blip in the summer, you do not speak for most children ancient

[quote Dinoteeth]@Shelaydownunderthetable
This thread has got me thinking about my own childhood. Working parents, cared for by my grandparents, not in provision until preschool at 3 and half… however did I turn out to be a productive member of society?

Try and actually think about the flaw in your arguments that nursery doesn't matter.
Your parents sent you to Granny who was presumably retired and had all the time in the world to entertain and interact with you.

Granny was a no go, you might kill granny.
Now try and picture the quality of care you would have received from your two full-time working parents with no childcare provision - Ceebiees 9-5 - just grand![/quote]
Yes. There is some complete nonsense being talked on this thread.

@Swayingpalmtrees have you tested everyone to make sure they have had COVID? Some schools are shut now, it isn't all rosy

@Swayingpalmtrees

My children did not back to school in the summer term, they finished in March went back in September 2020 and then finished again in December barely a few months later through to April 2021 the following year. It was a disaster. So whilst it is great your gc went back to school for a brief blip in the summer, you do not speak for most children ancient

Same here. Two terms out of three out

Obviously others who had places would feel differently but this is a huge amount of time out of school.

@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish

Everything in that article is just bad, lazy parenting. Nothing to do with lockdown. Everything to do with bad, lazy parents not doing what they should have.

My children thrived during lockdown. They returned to school way ahead of where they should have been. Because I actually made an effort.

Good for you. I assume that, like me, you were working more than 60 hours a week at home in a demanding role (more like 70-80 once interruptions from your children were allowed for), and also doing homeschooling, all whilst being a single parent? Tell me again how I’m a “lazy parent” for not being able to do more than keep my children fed and physically healthy during the last two years? All with one child who has SEN issues, and with health issues myself. Stop assuming that everyone has the privilege of free time to devote to playing with / teaching their children - some are just trying to survive.

A spectacularly witless statement if ever there was one hmm

Goady posts on here just ignore - of course pp would homeschooled for a solid eight hours a day, throwing in some crafts and singing whilst also cooking from scratch at lunchtime AND some how work full time! Of course they did

@Goldbar

Once upon a time, parents actively raised their children and didn't expect that it would be outsourced to others. Covid was an amazing opportunity for parents of young children to actually have been actively involved in their children's development and many have failed their children.

A spectacularly witless statement if ever there was one .

Why not just say, "Women, get thee back to the kitchen sink where you belong"?

Exactly! So many people on here refusing to acknowledge that many women, including gasp Mother’s, have full time careers!

Of the many single parents who had to do homeschooling alone, maybe we should be blaming fathers who didn't take on their fair share

Same here. Two terms out of three out

It was horrendous, a GCSE year for ds. The same day ds sat his GCSE physics exam his best friend tried to kill himself in the school loos.

To say people have NO IDEA (The puddle suit brigade) is an understatement. Absolutely deluded. The school were not even remotely surprised, he was one of many that week according to the HoY.

That is the reality.

@TeaAndBiscuitsAndWine

Yes. I was. Single parent. Full time business owner. No help.

@TeaandBiscuitsAndWine Yes. And for those parents who had to stop working/be furloughed because they had really small children or couldn't WFH, of course it was mostly the mums, because god forbid the employers of men let them have time off their Important Man Jobs.

@bookworm14

Once upon a time, parents actively raised their children and didn't expect that it would be outsourced to others. Covid was an amazing opportunity for parents of young children to actually have been actively involved in their children's development and many have failed their children.

Of course, large numbers of those parents were also attempting to work full time from home while also homeschooling older children as well as looking after preschoolers. I’m sure they’ll be delighted to learn they are lazy and have failed their kids.

I'd think that many of those 11.7 million on furlough were also parents. Given that we have been led to believe that many people cannot wfh, this seems over simplified.

However, just to show the other side, I wfh throughout, educated my child and guess what actually provided a well balanced life despite being shielders! It was possible. Please don't attempt to negate that all this has highlighted is how many poor parents there are in this country. How many self centred parents who refuse to put their children first.

And he was one of the lucky ones, he is still here just about, although very unwell.

choicemummy Anyone can educate ONE child, a walk in the park. Had your experience been with multiple children you may feel somewhat differently.

@ChoiceMummy

There has been no reason that they shouldn't have been having play experiences and exploring the world around them, beyond bad parenting

.Once upon a time, parents actively raised their children and didn't expect that it would be outsourced to others. Covid was an amazing opportunity for parents of young children to actually have been actively involved in their children's development and many have failed their children

Here's a reason - working full time
Here's another - paying the bills
And another - having more than one child at different stages of development
And another - mental ill health caused by pandemic
And another - physical ill health caused by the pandemic
And more - combinations or all of the above

I can go on

But you keep telling people they've failed. 👍

Not to mention the parents that could not help their children, due to the failure in their own education! Not everyone can teach GCSE level chemistry strangely enough choice

@ChoiceMummy

Ah I see you have only one child. That explains it.

Have a gold star. Well done you.

For all those who think parents should 'actively raise' their children rather than outsourcing it to nurseries...

Would you be happy for your child's teacher to be supervising her toddler running riot in the classroom at the same time as trying to teach the class? Would you be happy for her to take 5 minutes out from GCSE French for a round of Old Macdonald to develop the toddler's speech?

Would you be happy for your loved one's confidential counselling session to be interrupted by a 3 year old saying "Mummy, I need a poo"?

Would you be happy for your gynacologist to give you an intimate examination while their small child is wandering around the room and hanging about your exposed nether regions?

Is it ok for the lawyer or social worker working on a sensitive child abuse case to duck in and out of meetings to sort snacks and set up home schooling?

Some people need to get real. Women who work work. They don't fluff around all day looking decorative and making coffee.

Lots of children from difficult backgrounds simply did not have the technology to access any work, not everyone is privileged with endless laptops for multiple children. Even friends that could afford them could not buy them, they had sold out everywhere. It is grossly unfair and myopic to only see one point of view - mainly your own and a distinct lack of emotional intelligence to understand even slightly the struggles of other parents.
Living in a high rise flat, with no access to a garden with no money at all for laptops and trying to stay sane, is not the same as your one child set up in a leafy road with ample options!

@Swayingpalmtrees

Same here. Two terms out of three out

It was horrendous, a GCSE year for ds. The same day ds sat his GCSE physics exam his best friend tried to kill himself in the school loos.

To say people have NO IDEA (The puddle suit brigade) is an understatement. Absolutely deluded. The school were not even remotely surprised, he was one of many that week according to the HoY.

That is the reality.

That’s so awful

I have a big age range too - and saw at each age how it impacted them all

I also recall posters who argued for lockdowns shoving their dc to front of school intake for second.

I had no issue with those who didn’t want school closure but those who actively argued for it and fought for a place, well they are low.

@Lacedwithgrace

I'd rather have my child slightly behind developmentally than dead. But sure, retrospectively let's pretend wearing masks was 'insane'

My kid has had covid twice and been fine both times. The risk of a child dying from it is tiny and we have always known this.

It takes a village to raise a child an all that. How can a child explore the world if they couldn’t go out or interact with anyone properly. They were discouraged from going to shops (told to shop online or alone), couldn’t play together in parks, no toddler groups etc.
All those saying mine is fine how do you know? The Rainbows leader certainly hasn’t told parents how feral the 4 yr olds are compared to pre covid intakes. It’s just accepted they are poorer at some things, it’s not their fault and will improve with practice (this is a well off area)

actually provided a well balanced life despite being shielders!

Based on whose criteria for a "well balanced life"?

[quote BeforeGodAndAllTheFish]@TeaAndBiscuitsAndWine

Yes. I was. Single parent. Full time business owner. No help.[/quote]
Good for you. I couldn’t. 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, of working to keep a roof over our heads, with CFS, nearly killed me. It damaged my health to the point where I can now only work a few hours a week and we’re going to lose our flat as I’m going to run out of savings to pay the mortgage soon, and the insurance company won’t pay out for a pre existing condition. I did the best I could, but according to you I’m lazy because I didn’t do what you did. I’m not petty enough to wish a chronic health condition on you so you can experience what it’s like, but I do hope you learn that (a) not everyone’s experience is the same, (b) not everyone is capable of the same things, and (c) some fricking compassion.