All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

[UniqueAndAmazing]

Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

You actually know people who haven't vaccinated for those reasons?
Or have you been reading the daily mail!?

Me? Yes, I know 1 person who didn't for that reason.

actually, seeker's point is one of the reasons they didn't let the single vaccine out.
because they knew the DM and others would pounce and say "see, we told you there was a problem!"

Badvoc - you asked for a list. I stand by my OP, and the list of excuses I've given has been pulled from other people's comments (including a lady who gave me the natural remedy comments this morning on FB)

I know two people, who haven't vaccinated their children against anything because they use homeopathic alternatives...........

But Unique how on earth are you going to know before hand that your child will react? What is saying that the sibling of one child affected is likely to react badly too? Why do you have to wait until one of your children isd affected by side effects of the vax before not vax is seen as an appropriate measure??

you don't.
that's why it can't be 100% risk-free.

It's more likely to run in families.

Unique, thank you for confirming my (fears) suspicions. You have no chance of ever getting me to put the lives or health of other people's children above my own. I'm a little puzzled by those who would tbh.

This is why I think this thread is pointless stirring. Never the twain shall meet.

this is the FB link

We had our children vaccinated with the individual mumps, measles, rubella vaccines - not MMR.

The last Govt did everything it could to stop parents having it done. Now you cant get the mumps vaccine so you cant do it that way.

The last Govt is the cause of the problem - they should have allowed people to choose MMR or the three single jabs. The Govt wouldn't allow that though because they were trying to avoid being sued over MMR.

The last Govt disdnt really truely care about children's health. They stopped doing TB vaccination outside London. That will be the next epidemic. Mark my words.

I had the TB jab when I was a child now they say children dont need it. Well nonsense!

We had our children given the TB jab privately. They call TB the 'white death'.

The current measles scare is Govt propoganda. I had measles as a child and it is very dangerous. The Govt preferred to play politics and now children have a dreadful disease because parents were frightened. Now this Govt is frightening parents again to force them to have children given MMR.

What fears and suspicions are those?

I put the lives of all children first.
my child is one of all children, so i vaccinate her because she is the only one I can help directly

Definitely agree with the OP

i think the word 'choose' is an interesting one here. I have two dc with ASD. Ds1 received first MMR as I had no reason to question vaccination as I had no idea that he had any problems until he was around 2 and a half. This is the same kind of choice that most parents have. Round 2 with dd was a bit different. dd was born around the time ds was diagnosed. I was heartbroken and watched her for signs of asd obsessively. I didnt dare immunise her just in case this action tipped the balance somehow. I was wrong. She has ASD. It is clearly a genetic issue in our family. But can you see how my choice was not the same as the choice facing many other mothers who had no reason to fear this vaccine as the idea that it could harm their child never occurred to them. I agree that I should have vaccinated dd but my decision was significantly more complex than yours OP. By the way dd has had the measles and was very poorly. i have also had the measles and pneumonia so I do know how awful it is. I think the government should have done more for those in my position. Simply restating that it was safe obviously didnt do the trick.

MoreBeta - the TB thing really worries me.

I went to school with a girl who had TB when she was an infant (not a tiny baby)

It always worries me what could have happened to her, and the fact we're now considered not to need vaccination against it.
But it's not even completely eradicated, and with free passage from other countries, who's to say it won't cause an epidemic in the future?

Well, there will always be idiots in the world op.
Nothing you can do about that.
I understand your frustration, but totally dismissing some parents very valid concerns about vaccination is not fair.
You could have 10 children and vaccinate 9 with no problems at all and the 10th child could be very badly affected.
I remember one gp telling me a heart breaking story about 2 brothers. Both healthy prior to vaccination. Both vaccinated on the same day. 1 was left brain damaged by the vaccination. 1 was fine.
:(

Queen: I know three families who have similar stories, two of them first hand, one of them through my sister. Whenever I mention them on threads or in RL discussion, people ignore what I say. When you have seen a child lose all their speech after a reaction to MMR, it is hard to believe the statistics, convincing as they are.

I also know that vaccination programs are based on convenience and cost (vaccinate as much as possible when you have the baby in the surgery because it's easier than getting people to come back repeatedly). In the US, they wanted to give my son HIB when he was less than 1 day old. I don't believe that is the best possible timing.

My children have been vaccinated, though I delayed DC3 after what I witnessed. I am not an ignorant, suspicious, conspiracy theorist, but I certainly don't think this is a simple issue.

Seeker, the fear/suspicion I was speaking of are that Unique believes that a person should put their kids at risk of turning out like the child of Queen's friend for the sake of other kids.

cansu - would you have done the individual vaccinations if you had the choice?

Yes agree wrt TB.
I will be paying for my dc to have the TB jab privately.

^Home remedies for measles:
Drink orange or lemon juice at regular intervals during the day. The citrus flavor of these fruits can offset the loss of appetite brought on by the infection. Lemon and orange juices also help reduce dehydration and boost immunity with their vitamin C content.
Turmeric powder mixed with honey or milk can aid recovery from measles and boost immunity.
Children can be given powdered licorice mixed with honey to reduce coughs and sore throats.
Barley water can offer relief against dry, heavy coughs during measles
A barley bath can also soothe irritated skin and make the rash less itchy.
As the condition improves, the child can be placed on an all-fruit diet for a few days. After this the child can be put on to a more regular routine diet, but one that is very well balanced.

The fibrous content of fresh fruits and vegetables, along with the vitamins made available through the consumption of these fruits, plays a very important role in recovery from an illness such as measles.

Diet for Measles
A proper diet can speed up recovery from measles especially in the case of children who are infected. Try to avoid the consumption of spicy foods, and processed foods in particular because of the high sodium content. An all fruit diet is highly recommended during the first few days of the infection. Fresh fruit juices such as lemon and orange are highly beneficial due to their high vitamin C and fiber content. The patient can also be put on a soft food diet consisting of fruits such as grapefruits, cantaloupes, and grapes, bland soups, and whole grain cereals. Once the symptoms recede and the infection is on a wane, a balanced diet of fresh vegetables and fruits and foods high in vitamins and minerals is essential and a natural treatment for measles. Coffee, carbonated beverages, over-processed meals, oily and fatty foods have to be avoided both during and after the infection. Your fluid intake is crucial in a measles infection and you should make it a point to consume adequate water, as well as other fluids like fruit juices. This will help to prevent dehydration.^

I'm actually laughing at that.

yes, cansu - of course yours was valid.
the very fact she's had measles shows how important it is.

and yes, you're right, the NHS should have made allowances and provisions for your situation and others like it.

Yes I would MoreBeta at that time. Knowing what i know now that my dc has some form of hereditary autism I would give MMR but that wasnt the case at the time.

Well it's personal choice. I think parents who don't vaccinate their healthy dcs are misguided. I have seen measles, seen kids in intensive care from this "harmless childhood illness"( this was in a previous healthy 9 yo).Saw a 16 yo miss her GCSEs because her Mum did nt believe in vaccination.

My children are healthy and vaccinated( as is DH, I had measles) If I had a child on chemo I think I would be pretty pissed off with parents of healthy children playing Russian roulette with my dcs life.

Perhaps you should have a pop at the government who provide bonuses to GP's for every MMR jab, and refuse to allow health care professionals to advise on alternative methods for vaccination. Never mind the fact that none of the previous government were willing to state how their own children were vaccinated which could have reassured the public massively.

As a result parents with genuine concerns as to whether the MMR is appropriate for their child are stuck between a rock and a hard place - having to pay hundreds of pounds for individual vaccinations (if they are even able to source them) without any qualified advice or recommendations.

And yes, my DD is vaccinated - we went private and had them done separately at considerable expense and with an uphill battle to get any kind of reliable information whatsoever.