All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

[UniqueAndAmazing]

Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

WouldBeHarrietVane, you know that all drugs are dangerous, will you let your child have a fit from high temperature? Will you refuse an operation or blood transfusion?

Yes you did say that! You did say that you know it's possible for the vaccinations not to work. See, here's where you acknowledged it:

UniqueAndAmazing, Sat 13th April, 13.55:

"I think people also don't realize that you can still get measles even if you have been vaccinated, just obviously not as bad."

So you do acknowledge that vaccines sometimes don't work and sometimes wear off. And at your own admission you haven't found out whether those which you had as a child or young woman worked to start with or whether they're still working now.

Pot? Kettle? Black?

As I said at the very beginning, pointless stirring.

babysophierose perhaps you should sit in on the court cases and tell the judge not to bother paying out for mmr and autistic cases. Save them a fortune.

For anyone who wants to read some peer reviewed evidence from the CDC
www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#risk

So many misconceptions exist regarding vaccinations as its an emotive subject, however if you weight up the relative risk of harm from vaccination to the relative risk of harm from measles it's a bit of a no-brainier!

I have seen what measles can do, as well as chicken pox (which by the way can be vaccinated against and is on the routine vaccination schedule in Oz, US and several other countries just not in the uk mostly due to economic reasons) so I'm VERY pro-vaccination!

Just my two cents worth...

Saintlywas you're child's autism directly linked to the mmr? & if so how have you proven this?
I am asking because I am very interested to see if the nhs have taken responsibility/blame for it.

Every time I had my eldest vaccinated he had a bad reaction. He had a febrile convulsion because his temperature got very high really quickly. Yet I was told it was just coincidence. ...

"that's fine hazard. until yours becomes one of the ones that gets ill because cases crop up where there's no need"

That's fine beyond that point, actually. I won't be complaining, I made my own decisions. I only complain when some little Hitler comes along and tries to tell me that I should put this stuff into my or my children's bodies.

sassy34264, there are some cases when for a medical reasons child can not have the jab, the will not have it. Autism is very difficult to diagnose at such an early age, how do you know that the jab caused it?

I don't personally. But i would imagine if an american court is paying out vast amounts of money and thereby admitting the link, then someone cleverer than me and you, as managed to prove it.

Vaccine Court: CA Boy has Autism from MMR
This in?t supposed to happen.

It happened again. The federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has awarded Ryan Mojabi and his family a multi-million dollar settlement for autism as the result of an injury from the Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR) vaccine. Ryan?s family joins Hannah Poling and at least 85 others who have received judgments for vaccine-induced autism from the VICP. These people aren?t supposed to exist. We are told again and again that vaccines cannot cause autism, vaccines have never caused autism, and vaccines never will cause autism. Except when they do.

Here is the link to the settlement document.

www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBEL?

I don't know why the health authority can't just offer single vax to parents that would rather have it that way. At least more people would uptake the vaccines if offered them separately

I think that Joules has highlighted an important issue. As she rightly says, there is a chicken pox vaccination available in the UK - privately. It isn't available on the NHS. Why's that, do you think? Because chicken pox can't be serious? Nope. Because chicken pox vaccine isn't licensed as safe in the UK? Nope. Because of the cost to the government?

Now you're getting there.

And yet we're supposed to believe that the government has the best interests of our health, and not economics, at heart regarding the vaccination of ourselves and our children.

I strongly disagree that this thread is pointless stirring. I am very pleased indeed it is here because:

1. If it causes even a few people to think again about vaccinating it just might save a life or save someone from disability (the anti vaccinators might say that it could cause a serious health problem but there's very little doubt that there is a greater chance that it will save a life or avoid a life changing disability)
2. It seems pretty clear that most of those who choose not to vaccinate are doing so for reasons relating to heightened risk for their DC which is sensible and encouraging to know.

The reason that chicken pox isn't on the vaccine schedule is because it doesn't provide as long a period of protection as natural immunity. There is concern that if we routinely vaccinated all children against chicken pox they would be vulnerable as adults if the immunity wore off, and chicken pox is far worse as an adult. There are also fears that without repeated exposure following initial infection elderly people would be at risk of shingles, as it's thought that each time we come into contact with it our immunity gets a boost. That's my understanding anyway, I'm sure someone more qualified could put it better!

Was just coming to write pretty much what amandine has already written

Op you are an arse

saintly read the thread!
you haven't vaccinated because of medical reasons! you?re exactly the people who the vaccinations are there to protect!

Hang on. OP you posted this thread berating 'fucking selfish' parents who don't vaccinate because of wakefields debunked research and implied they are stupid, ignorant selfish etc for being worried about the autism link.

Yet when faced with a parent who feels their child was damaged by MMR and now has autism due to it, you say the above.

Make your mind up please!

Either the autism link is bollocks and parents are 'fucking selfish' for not vaccinating because of it, or...? What exactly?

The medical reason saintly posted about that you are now accepting, was a load of bollocks according to you earlier on?

ChompieMum, the thread is pointless stirring when, by virtue of making no effort to ensure that her own vaccinations are working properly, the OP of it may quite possibly be guilty of the very "fucking selfishness" she's accusing others of.

Posted by uniqueandamazing on pg 2.

the only reason I will accept as reasonable is the medical one

The MMR scare was bollocks, unsubstantiated and very quickly denounced
the scare the jabs lasted a lot longer than the report itself

Some love across the ether to saintly and family x

So OP, is it black and white, or do you think maybe there are grey areas?

For me, if the thread has the potential to do good it can't be pointless, whether or not you agree with the actions or arguments of everyone on it.

Amber probably because the OP is just stirring things and people like that always get things wrong/confused.

FWIW this thread may help some parents come to a decision about vax but for others like me it just makes us more and more undecided. My youngest two are not vaxxed as their elder ds has autism. I am not 100% sure it was the mmr which caused the autism but I have decided to not take chances with the 2 girls. I may get them vaxxed when older, after the onset age of autism has passed. IIRC having the mmr at the same time as onset of autism (as my ds had) has been posed to be a risk.
It is a huge dilemma to be in. I have had measles, mumps and rubella as a child and have come out unscathed. I am well aware it doesn't mean if my kids get it they will escape unharmed. MMR may well of affected my ds, it didn't my elder dd and who knows with the young dd's so I have refused up until now and I will assess MY decision as and when. I don't need someone telling me I am irresponsible or I should take one for the team and put them through admittedly a small risk but still a risk.

It would be easier to see the arguments of those in it if there wasn't so much hypocrisy. Although I do think (ime and imho) these discussions very rarely appear to have the desired effect of changing people's minds and convincing them to have their children vaccinated. It's an odd one too because the demands are one-sided. Those with the OP's beliefs want others to do as they do, those who disagree with the OP don't give a damn what other people do!