All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

[UniqueAndAmazing]

Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

wtf?! how am I being agreesive and patronizing?

I'm being accused of telling people that they're wrong not to vaccinate whrn they have real concerns. I'm being accused of telling people who have medical issues that they should vaccinate or feel gyilty.
I'm being accused of not understandin even though I've stated a very clear case over and over again.

you're both now being deliberately obtuse because you have no holes to pick and no case to answer.

hazard
I had chicken pox immunity test whenni was pg.
I asked the mw if I needed any other immunity testd and she said I didn't.

sassy and the fundamental difference is that you gave the single vaccination which you paid for. you didn't just go "ooh, I'm not sure so I won't vaccinate at all"

lottie no I don't know any of those people. but if I did, I would let them know how I felt

anyway you two calling me patronising etc.I was replying directly to pag who was worried that I was judging her for maling her decisions.

and since when did a jw not having a blood tranfusion impact on the wider society? I agree with seeker about fighting against them making that decision for someone else.

You are being patronising. Who are you to say what people should chose for their own children?

But you just don't know enough about it to adjudicate OP.

Expressing an opinion is one thing but your tone is very belligerent and I don't think you have the knowledge or the authority to speak to people like that

is what I'm trying to say.

though I am sure you mean well.

unique that's because i'm just as scared of them catching measles as i am of them having the mmr jab.

I'm just one big freaked out mother!

But some may not have the money.

I have 2 friends who have children with autism. One has had her younger child done despite this, and the other one has not.

I have another friend who has really bad allergies (wasn't allowed vaccines for herself when she was little) and they won't test her daughter, so she won't have her done until they do.

It's not black and white.

Agree with the OP, it is really fucking irresponsible not to vaccinate your children. Thank god I don't live in the affected area because my baby DS (who is too young for MMR yet) would be at risk.

Here's a good example of why you need to vaccinate. Relates to tetanus rather than measles. This case was in the news in New Zealand when I was at home over Christmas. A 7 year old nearly DIED when he contracted the disease, and had to put into a coma on life support. It will take 12 months of rehabilitation for him to recover and to learn how to eat and walk again.

His father said:

"It was me that put my son in this situation," Mr Williams said.

"Parents like us make the decision to not vaccinate on very little factual information about the actual consequences of the diseases - massive pain, disability and death - and a lot of non-factual, emotive information from the internet stating inflated figures on the frequency and severity of adverse reactions and conspiracy theories about 'evil' doctors, governments and drug companies."

The parents of the boy immediately had their other children vaccinated.

There's a nice debunking of classic anti-vas myths at the bottom of the article too.

but I'm not fucking adjudicating!

what I gave done is point out that we now have evidence why it's so important to vaccinate and those who can have a moral responsibilty to.

Oh stop fucking swearing! Adjudicating is exactly what you're doing.

and my tone is exasperated at having repeat myself over and over and over.

"I had chicken pox immunity test whenni was pg. I asked the mw if I needed any other immunity testd and she said I didn't."

But at the beginning of this thread you said that you know that it's possible for the vaccination not to work or for it to stop working after a period of time UniqueAndAmazing !

In anotherwords, you're wandering around the community with no idea whether or not you're still covered by the MMR jab or indeed if you ever were. You don't know if you're any more taking part in the "modern" society any more than I am.

Yet you're judging and pontificating to the rest of us. Pot? Kettle? Black?

You have been patronising. You told me to refrain from posting! And telling people that they're "fucking selfish" strikes me as pretty aggressive too.

Go make sure you have those chemicals and viruses correctly working in your body before you start telling me that I'm fucking selfish before not putting them into mine!

Sorry for the extra "before" in that last sentence. (Child distraction syndrome).

I'm not remotely worried about what you think about me not vaccinating

I have one vaccinated brain damaged child who will need 24 hour care for the rest of his life. And two unvaccinated children who are NT and are currently on track (god willing) to grow up & live independent lives. And in the process doing all sorts of things their brother can't do & won't ever be able to do. Trip to pizza hut anyone? Oh the things he misses out on. I couldn't give a monkey's bottom whether you (or anyone else) thinks my reasons are good enough.

Nor would I presume to be arrogant enough to tell anyone else what they should do - they're the ones who have to live with the consequences of any decision - enough 'friends' bugger off never to be seen again once your child is severely autistic.

Oh and yes yes I know measles can be nasty - my mum spent months in hospital with measles & was left deaf in one ear from it. (I had an uncomplicated case that was over in about 4 days + quarantine). She agrees that the younger siblings should not be vaccinated - hmmm wonder why.

Well, it is a case of the well-being of everyone. Why some parents should risk the life of their child I do not know. It is a disease, look better when reading online crap and do the jabs. I surely do not want my child getting ill because someone choose to live in denial. Somewhere in the world people do not have a choice, they just don't have vaccines and the result is very often fatal. Make the right choice for your kids, don't be stubborn. There is NO REAL evidence that MMR leads to autism, just people that believe single jabs are better, but we are in recession, so that is what you get for free.

I didn't say that.
I said that certain vaccines have to be topped up in order to get full immunity.

I didn't tell you to refrain from posting. that's being very simplistic. I said if you had nothing valuable to say then you shouldn't post.

and I also said that I HAD measles as a child. I wasn't vaccinated against measles, because I gad the disease. in august 1978, according to my imms record.
I had to have my rubella topup when I was 13 at the gps because I had been off school when they did the jabs at school.

I was told to count the balloons on a poster to distract me, but I had already counted the balloons while I was waiting.

I've had all my polio, tetanus and "triple vaccine" whatever that is.
I had bcg at school.

I don't know anything else.

saintly read the thread!
you haven't vaccinated because of medical reasons! you?re exactly the people who the vaccinations are there to protect!

Well one good thing about you having had measles is that any baby you have should have protective antibodies for 6 months plus. Babies born to vaccinated mothers sometimes have NO antibodies from birth. And they're often gone by 3 months. Where did I find out this information? Initially from the health protection agency then from a paper in pubmed. Easily searchable if you think I'm mistaken. Not an anti-vax publication in sight.

Another reason why I'd want to see the raw figures for this outbreak defined by age groups.

I had measles in 1979 & was pleased my babies were protected during early infancy by super duper naturally acquired antibodies.

Sigh.

babySophieRose, you do know that not all non-vaccinators take that stance because of the alleged autism link, don't you?

Moreover I think it's been pointed out more than once that not everyone believes it's acceptable to put their own children's health at risk for the sake of "the wellbeing of everyone", but I'll say it again.

My children are the most important to me, not yours, not the man down the road's, but mine.

that's fine hazard. until yours becomes one of the ones that gets ill because cases crop up where there's no need.

I have read the thread - I fall in the grey area. When life was black & white I vaccinated. I never assumed it was my place to tell people what they should do & I don't now.

seeker doesn't believe in religion anyway.
but I agree with her that no religion should require a child's health to be at risk.