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[HeiXiong]

This board was created by a great discussion on the site stuff board.

the scope of the board was a welcoming space for mumsnetters without children (both childfree and childless) to share life experiences.

Whilst it’s great we have a board I’m baffled as to why childless posters have not been included in the board they also lobbied for. Not only is the board clearly labelled as for the childfree, but the name of the board is a pretty cruel pun for any posters struggling to adjust to life without children.

can we please have the “mumsnetters without children” board we asked for?

Definitely- makes it nice and clear

I don’t like the name. I find it quite hurtful. I’m not sure why not being able to have children is worthy of a pun.

Hi there - we've changed the name now to Childfree Mumsnetters. Many years ago there was a board called Mumsnot and so we just resurrected it.

So the childless still aren’t welcome? Thanks for making that clear @YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

I feel that I really want to know what the old board was for. Was it for childfree posters or snot?

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet I think what’s really important is inclusivity and we don’t want people feeling excluded - that’s why we asked for this board. Can we please have “MNetters without children” as the title and the caption to include both childless and childfree? Thank you!

Hi there - no that's not the case at all. We're going by the Site stuff thread that lead to this board's creation: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4813212-childfree-mumsnetters-board

My thinking is that the board would be a safe space for Mumsnetters who, for whether by choice or making the best of the hand they've been dealt, are embracing the childfree life, to discuss the issues that uniquely affect us - some examples I can think of are discrimination when it comes to workplace holidays; planning for old age and inheritance issues, how to cope when your friendship group only want to meet in child-friendly venues; family pressure to have children.

The original dadsnet maybe?

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet The thread moved on a bit and the OP confirmed several times that childless people should be welcomed and brought within the focus of the board. It’s a long thread but I do think the board should reflect women without children for whatever reason.

Thanks for the feedback. We're having a discussion about this. The last thing we want is for anyone to feel left out but we want a board name that is easy to understand and easily searchable. We'll report back. In the meantime, we'd v much like to hear your thoughts.

Ah searchable. I can see how Childsfree mumsnet would be more searchable than Mumsbetters without children. But still not inclusive.

Perhaps 'Childfree and Mumsnetters without children'? May be too long though

Sadly, I think that there is always the potential for posts that may be made on this board to be perceived as hurtful by one side or the other as the reasons we are without children are very different and diametrically opposed in some cases - although there is every chance that we could be faced with the same issues as we age. The name of the board will perhaps be the smallest issue in those situations, the two threads on the name seem to show that to be the case.

That's because you are thinking rather than throwing a hissy fit.

My preference would be Life without children, because it focuses on life rather than loss, but I dont know id anyone was uncomfortable with the 'without children' part

This is true. It would probably become main board mumsnet all over again.

I like that. Does what it says on the tin. But there will be objections because reasons.

I am that person, with seven losses behind me, but I am now too old for pregnancy and have a lovely child-free life, where I am embracing the benefits and just living the life I have been given. I think a lot of people like me will find a home here. Those going through current infertility and so on will be more likely to be finding support on those specific boards, I think.

I've come to the conclusion that there is no easy, short, all-encompassing descriptor!

But I really don't want @HeiXiong to feel hurt and I think she has a right to be listened to as no doubt others will feel the same, and while lobbying for this space it was great how the support was there for and from both childless and childfree.

Perhaps Childfree & Childless Mumsnetters @mnhq - not sure how SEO friendly this is though?

What about 'Mumsnetters without children' Doesn't specify if its by choice or not.

There are already boards for women struggling with infertility.

There's a Legal board for questions about wills etc.

Maybe there needs to be separate child free and child-less boards?

Perhaps like the Feminism board. 2 subboards, one for Childfree/MumsNot and the other for Childless or another name. Main board being Mumsnetters without children.

I’m childless (with the hope I can get to feel happy with this and be childfree one day) and I like ‘Life without children’ as well as I think it reflects many of the topics I would want to discuss.

Nope. There are already threads dealing with infertility.

This thread can be for both those who choose not to have children and those who cannot have children.

@Florissante but being childless doesn't stop impacting you when you get past the fertility/infertility stage. What I meant was there doesn't need be a finite amount of boards and this one clearly doesn't work for everybody.

I think this board is more for issues of the child free in relation to kids (Ie family dynamics)

For stuff about say inheritance I'd generally go to money matters or legal issues.

Isn't the board for those who want to freely celebrate having no kids. Without judgement. Rather than constantly having to think "gosh this would sound very tactless to someone who desperately wants kids or has kids"

Child fee is positive. Without kids sounds as though we are missing out on something.

The option to hide the board should be available too.