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I need HONEST opinions about my nanny please...

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Holly29 · 11/03/2010 12:09

I'd be really grateful for your input on this. I just want to do the right thing.

Background: I work F/T. I've had a nanny since DD was 9 months old. She is now 2.10. Initially we loved our nanny, and we have been exceptionally good to her in lots of ways, which I don't need to set out really.

However, I am now pregnant with DC2 and am due in about 4 months. I am lucky enough to have a DH who can afford for me to take 6 months off and still keep her on during that time. So that's what we have decided to do.

BUT the other day I realised that I am dreading maternity leave and being with her so much more. I sat down and made a list of the things she does which I worry about and I need your advice on whether these are silly and how I can/should address them. I want to be fair to her and to us and to do the right thing! so here's my list:

(1) She clearly is not capable of leaving any moods/tiredness behind her when she gets to work.

This was very evident when she had a bereavment in her family - which we totally understood of course. We gave her all the time off she needed of course but when she came back (after 6 weeks, her choice, we did not force her) she was still crying in front of our DD a lot, spending a lot of time on the phone to her friends and so on. She also has quite a lot of 'life crises' (what am I doing with my life?) and gets very depressed and she seems incapable of leaving it behind her when she gets to work and I spend lots of time at work wondering how her mood today is affecting DD. On a really quite large number of occasions I have come home to find her in a really bad mood because of something and she will often say that DD has been a nightmare and that she has found it hard to cope. She does not seem to find it hard to cope when she is feeling good. She clearly isn?t positive or fun to be with or particularly tolerant with DD when she is like this. She is great fun when she is feeling upbeat.

I am sure that I am not always positive/fun with DD when I am tired/stressed but I am not her nanny! Ideally I would like a nanny who of course may have bad times, but who is positive and fun most of the time (or at least fakes it well). I do at my own work!

(2) I have residual concerns about the way she disciplines DD. When I came home a few nights ago she was saying that she had behaved like a baby and had to be put in her cot for 20 minutes. When I was talking to her about it DD was clearly listening and distressed about it still and saying "I went into my cot like a baby". This happens quite regularly.

(3) I think we've been so nice to her that she is starting to take us for granted and as I said this morning, I am unsure that she will actually be a help when I am on maternity leave and with the new baby. She said to me a couple of weeks ago that I might want her to work reduced hours when the baby is born as I will be ?around all the time? ? I said no, but this is the sort of attitude which has me concerned.

(5) I still have concerns about whether she has actually formed a good bond with DD. I have spoken with a number of women who have nannies, all of whom say that their children love their nannies. DD only leaves us with great reulctance each morning. If I told DD that she?d never see our nanny again I?m sure she?d be fine with that;

(6) She?s not that good at actually engaging with DD. I come home every night almost to find her watching TV with her. She does switch it off but I have never seen her paint a picture with her, engage in any creative activities, or even read to her to be honest. There are never any books out despite the fact that DD has millions. I think they sometimes play games but it is rare. The reports we get in our special daily logbook never say ?we played X game or made something or dressed up ?. They go out to groups and places but there is no other interaction which I think is increasingly important, especially as DD obviously loves art/making things.

Yes, DD is our PFB. Am I being silly? How can I deal with it? I've never had another nanny and I hate confrontation!

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theQuibbler · 11/03/2010 13:32

I think you should go on your instincts on this one. She really doesn't sound particularly good - it depends if you want to keep her, though I can't imagine why. Is she your first nanny?

I'd be really unhappy with quite a lot of what you've posted.

I think your best bet would be to tell her that you've reconsidered your maternity leave arrangements. Have you got a standard contract with her?

And it's worrying that you haven't felt that you have been able to address it with her - that doesn't sound like a good working relationship. Maybe it has just come to a natural close?

I know the feeling of apprehension that comes when you think about finding someone new, but honestly, once you've done it, I bet you will feel relieved.

And this time, you will have a much better idea of the sort of person you would want; at least that's how it was for me.

pauline45 · 11/03/2010 13:37

Hi Holly29,

Oh my goodness my heart went out to you when I read your message, I'm an Ofsted Registered Nanny and I look after 3 young children for two seperate families and my main problem is tearing myself away from them when I leave at the end of the day. I have a book of places I take my children including museums, swimming, the pictures, parks, librarys etc and the list of activities we do is just as long as the list of places we visit. One of my young families is expecting their third baby in July and I'm worried my Mum will decide not to go back to work . Bonding with children is sooooo important and bonding with the parents is just as important so if your feeling worried do the right thing for your DD and find someone else who will cherish her as much as you do. Good Luck

FabIsDoingPrettyWell · 11/03/2010 13:46

You can't keep a bad nanny just because of the stress of looking for another one. It doesn't have to be a problem, make it a positive thing as you will be looking for someone who will make your child smile, not cry.

RibenaBerry · 11/03/2010 13:47

I agree with others that you need to get rid.

Focussing on the way to go about it, the easiest way by a mile will be to (genuinely) decide that you won't have a nanny whilst you are on maternity leave. If you changed your mind in a few months that wouldn't be a rproblem. Pop across to employment if you want and plenty of people can talk you through doing a redundancy...

CirrhosisByTheSea · 11/03/2010 13:48

For me, if I was in your position, the solution I would go for would be to make the nanny redundant, go back part time after maternity leave, and find a nice local part time childminder who would do some of the lovely stuff that some posters on here do with their minded children.

Financially you'd probably be no worse off since you would be paying a cheaper source of childcare and part time only!

plus you get more time with your children.

everyone's a winner?

Holly29 · 11/03/2010 14:11

I can't tell you all how fabulous your advice and support it. Thank you. it's good to know that I am not being silly - this is my first ever nanny and I was worried that I was expecting too much. I guess that I feel like I need to make a decision: if I talk to her and try to improve things then make her redundant she can argue that it is not a genuine redundancy because of the previous chat!

I'd love to work P/T but I am not in a job that allows it (long story) really. Am thinking of long term ways to secure p/t work though.

Will pop across to employment threads.

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FabIsDoingPrettyWell · 11/03/2010 14:13

Do you have to give a reason for giving a nanny notice?

I was given a weeks pay to leave a nanny job during the 4 weeks trial period and while I know the reason she didn't want to keep me on, she never actually spelled it out.

MisSalLaneous · 11/03/2010 14:18

Good luck, Holly. It might not feel like it now, but I think you are actually in a good position for a relative clean cut. If you go the redundancy way, you could even go apart without any hard feelings either side.

BlueGreen · 11/03/2010 14:20

I think it is difficult to get rid of the pain in heart in 6 weeks and crying for lost is normal and I think you should show her some sympathy for that! We all have our bad and good days because you are paying dosent mean that nannies should become a robot and hide their feelings. Not everyone can fake it as good as you do anyway (your saying not mine!) And I think it is very rude to say that " I have bad days as well but I'm not her nanny" this means to me that " I'm paying her and she can not have bad days when she is with my DD" very selfish indeed!

You said there is never book lying around. Dont you think it is possible they read and she tidied up? And about watching a tv., we used to watch tv. after dinner which was around 5:45- 6pm and that was the time one of my bosses would come and see us watching a telly or him(my charge) watching and me cleaning up the kitchen.
In term of disciplining, every body has their own way of disciplining and if you dont like her way why dont you introduce yours? I used to send him to naughty corner as a punishment but his parents' would take away his fav. toys as he wouldnt stay in naughty corner at all(cheeky monkey )

I think it is unfair for you to say she didint do any painting in 2 years as if your DD is 2:10 old you cant expect her to start doing arts and crafts when she was 10 months old! But this doesnt justify that she shouldnt be doing craft now!

In 2 years she should be having strong bonds with your DD tho. My previous boss told my charge that I wont be looking after him anymore but she (me) will come and visit him sometime. He burst into tears and kept repeating "I want bluegreen". He's mother said that she was really happy that we have strong bonds and that made her proud as she made the right decision by employing me over 9 other nannies she interviewed!

I think you should talk to her. And let her know what you think. You might be surprised. Maybe she wont want to work for you after finidning out how unsensitive you are RE: her bravement.

CirrhosisByTheSea · 11/03/2010 14:20

good luck Holly. To be honest I would go for making her reduntant because I really don't think someone who can let themselves be that un-professional at work is suddenly going to pull it all together to such a degree that they have a completely different approach to everything....people don't change that much!

MisSalLaneous · 11/03/2010 14:27

Oh come on BlueGreen, it's not only about the bereavement! When my brother died, I had ONE week off work! It doesn't mean my bosses was horrible, I decided to go back, as did Holly's nanny. I couldn't cry in front of clients, same way as it upsets Holly's dd when nanny's crying in front of her. Her dd is too young to understand. Holly sounded very caring to me, but obviously her dd is her first priority.

Holly29 · 11/03/2010 14:28

Cirrhosis I think that's the conclusion I am coming too.

Bluegreen I think your post is unfair. I have been SO supportive you cannot imagine. I have literally done everything I can re the bereavment. If this was the only issue then I would not have a problem at all!

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RibenaBerry · 11/03/2010 14:36

BlueGreen - I agree that you'll have down days after a bereavement, but that's just one of many issues. Also, just like I would hold it together in the office and in front of my kids, I would expect a nanny to broadly be able to hold it together after six weeks. I'm not talking about being a robot, but just that being well enough to come back to work means not crying "a lot" (which is what the OP said, not sometimes, which I think is relevant) in front of your charge.

IndigoSky · 11/03/2010 14:36

I agree with the other posters. It's not working out so you need to let her go.

Can I suggest that rather than a nanny when you are on ML you get a mothers help/cleaner to come in as much as you need her to. You don't want to be spending your time cleaning up/washing/hoovering with 2 small children if you don't have to and if I were you I'd look for some help around the house, particularly if you can find someone that's also good with kids and could perhaps keep an eye on your dd if you had to take your baby to a baby group or something. We had a nanny for a bit when I was at home ft when my sons were babies and it just didn't work out because she got to do all the lovely mummy bits and I ended up doing the housework. Disaster. We got a lovely mothers help who was my life saver and who adores my children. Best thing we ever did.

greybird · 11/03/2010 14:36

jeez bluegreen. Have you ever employed a nanny? Letting employee take 6 weeks off work after bereavement is incredibly generous, do you know how hard that is for the employer? It's not about nannies being a robot, it's about being professional childcarers.

You might be surprised. Maybe she wont want to work for you after finidning out how unsensitive you are RE: her bravement

That would be the best outcome for the OP. If only you could get rid of all crap employees that easily.

BlueGreen · 11/03/2010 14:37

Holly, please read my respond fully as I also had said that she should be doing arts &crafts etc. and should be bonding with ur DD by now!

You asked honest responds and i gave you mine. You dont have to agree with it. But if you dreading to go on maternity leave means that you are not happy with her anyway so I think you should do what makes you and your DD happy. After all you can find another nanny and she can find another job. I just wanted you to see hings from her side as well. And would feel offended if my boss think that I'm just a hired help!

Good luck with whatever you do.

Bluegreen

Bonsoir · 11/03/2010 14:40

If I were a nanny, I would be sure to be sitting on the sofa with my charge(s) reading nice improving books when the parents got in from work, or playing with the dolls house or a puzzle . We might have watched DVDs during the day but I would make sure that I was doing something productive and calm when my bosses arrived.

Just the fact that your nanny doesn't do this and manage her own PR is telling, IMO.

moid · 11/03/2010 14:43

I had three nannies;

  • the first was a bit controlling but did so much with our pfb and he loved her
  • the second was like a ray of australian sunshine and our boys loved her
  • the third was well qualified and loads of experience but she never bonded with the kids, when my three year old started saying "shut up" to me when we got rid of her

Just reading that it is a bit scary, we had three nannies in three and a half years!! After the third I gave up work

Laquitar · 11/03/2010 14:43

Holly, how come all these started to bother you now that you are about to go on ML?

FabIsDoingPrettyWell · 11/03/2010 14:46

mold - I don't get what you were saying about your 3rd nanny.

BlueGreen · 11/03/2010 14:49

Bonsoir, you made me smile. Altho, I do knwo nannies chatting on the phone whole day, ignoring kids at the park or 1 o'clock clubs and when its tiem for their boss to come home they start reading or doing activities. And their bosses adore them as they think their kids had productive and busy day! What the heck? That is cheating in my book and I want to deserve my salary. Now I better go and wake up my gorgeous.

HAve a lovely day.
Bluegree

moid · 11/03/2010 14:50

Holly, I totally see how you can allow a nanny to stay even if you are not sure of her. If you are working full time, its your first and you don't have lots of experience of kids it can take a while to see that things are not as they are.

When we got rid of our nanny we had enough experience to know that things were not right.

Agreed get a mothers help or student to help you out when you go on maternity leave. Choose someone who is cheery and who you like, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they will make pureed ice cubes for your kids to eat it is whether you and your kids like them.

moid · 11/03/2010 14:52

Sorry when my 3 year son said "shut up" to me when we had never told him to shut up the alarm bells started to go off. How come he was using that language unless someone had told him to shut up! (My DS1 is very chatty). That wasn't the only issue that we had I hasten to add.

Holly29 · 11/03/2010 14:57

Bluegreen sorry, I'm feeling a bit sensitive today. I do think my nanny is fab in lots of ways. And she certainly isn't treated as the hired help...

Bonsoir that's exactly the point. I'd always make sure parents came home to a clean house/improving game and maybe some sort of 'painting for mummy' if it had been raining all day!

Lacquitar I think it just brought it all to the fore. I realised that I was dreading maternity leave and I forced myself to sit down and figure out why. Then it all came tumbling out.

Indigo and moid that's an idea of some considerable genius. I was beginning to freak out a bit about transition from FT work to newborn and toddler all day on my own. Good work!

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frakkinaround · 11/03/2010 15:00

TBH I am joining the get rid brigade but if you are making her redundant you either have to offer her the new mother's help position when on maternity leave or do without. You are making a FT nanny redundant, not a domestic employee altogether. She gets first refusal on any advertisement you place within 3 months.

The other thing to consider is will you want to mention any of this on her reference? If so then you need to bring it up with her, give her a chance to improve and have evidence of what she was like before and after that meeting. You can then give a truthful reference because you can substantiate it. If you're happy to give either a neutral reference confirming dates and duties or give a positive reference then you don't need to mention it but you would be treading very close to the edge if you mentioned anything in a reference you hadn't brought up with her. This needn't affect the redundancy situation - if you're home FT and don't need help then you're home and don't need help so the job doesn't exist.

(1) Mood affects children and bringing personal stuff like this to work doesn't help anyone. When my grandfather died on a Saturday I had sole charge of my charge for 72 hours straight the following week, the funeral was the Friday after and I did not mention it at work again. Sometimes I was sad but I tried for the sake of the children to be upbeat. Sure it was tough but it's not their fault and personal trauma isn't really an excuse in any other environment. It's not about being hired help or a robot, it's about being professional.

(2) Absolutely not on for 2 reasons - a bedroom, which is presumably where the cot is, is for sleeping and feeling SAFE in, not for discipline and leaving her stranded for 20 minutes is just plain cruel. It can take 20 minutes to do a 2 minute time out with rapid-return to the step so the child stays there without crying but dumping a child in a cot isn't discipline

(3) I think she's angling for fewer hours on the same pay - be VERY careful if you do decide to make her redundant as you need to offer her the changed role and she may decide she likes it.

(5) After 2 years? Something isn't right.

(6) It sounds like she doesn't have the experience or the theoretical knowledge to deal with a toddler/preschooler. Babies are relatively easy and children get harder as they grow. Even from a young age children can scribble, do finger painting, messy play, crafty things, read books....What does she do with her? At this age a good nanny would be encouraging development in almost every area and should be leaving evidence of that behind, although if it's dressing up or lining up cars that's difficult to do! It sounds like nanny is just hanging out with your DD and not putting in the effort.

What is the disciplinary procedure in your contract? You need to tread carefully because she's been there over a year - so you have to have a reason to dismiss her - and is coming up for 2 so you've got redundancy payments to take into account.

In one sense bluegreen is right - if you make life uncomfortable enough she will leave but I don't really recommend that!

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