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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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What would an unqualified childcare worker earn ?

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:11

If looking for somebody who would literally just run the children around to various activities and then cook them tea.
What would be a fair rate ?
Would pay for mileage too.

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Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:18

I do this, although I am qualified.

A going rate for a qualified person would be around £6.00

I charge my family £4.77 min wage. I think this is fair for an unqualified person. I would ask for more (but Im gettin paid CIH )

I run the kids to school, tidy the kids things away and then go home. I come back and pick them up from school/clubs and cook them tea, do homework and let them do their own thing.

I get £110 a week, thats including petrol money (but the school is only 1 mile away so not much petrol used) so if clubs etc.. are far add a little more petrol money.

Hope this helps.

willowthewispa · 27/04/2009 20:23

I disagree entirely Chellesgirl! £6-£7 might be ok for an unqualified, unexperienced after-school nanny - depends where you are. Minimum wage is £5.77 if you're over 21 anyway.

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:27

Am having a dilemma. I've advertised for a qualified person paying them £10 an hour for 20 hours a week, plus petrol.
But my younger brother is currently unemployed and has never worked with children before, but has two of his own, babies though and has helped out before but never sole responsibility.
However I'd have no idea what to pay him if we went for him and it seems that if I have to pay him £5.77 then I might as well go for the qualified one, not a massive difference.
Arghhhh

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Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:32

It depends what area your in willow. Im only 20 so min wage for me is £4.77

If your going to be paying thier tax n NI then Id go with your brother as you do not need to do this with him. Relatives can look after thier families children and you dont have to pay NI ot tax for them. its up to you how much you pay him. Why not save the money and have someone who knows your children around them?

theyd probably prefer uncle to care for them too.

dont forget if your going to be paying £10 ph and paying NI and Tax then the qualified person will only be taking home -22.5% of the final months wages.

looneytune · 27/04/2009 20:32

But it's almost double for the qualified isn't it? It really depends on how much you trust your brother. My brother has no kids, has never worked in childcare before but has taken ds1 out several times and if I was in your situation, I'd happily pay him. But as I say, it depends on your thoughts on him doing it!

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:33

so why willow is £6 so bad for a qualified nanny if min wage is £5.77?

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:35

I guess Im just a kind nanny.

willowthewispa · 27/04/2009 20:38

Are you sure you don't have to pay Tax and NI to relatives chellesgirl?

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:41

No you definatley dont. It says it on the NCMA website. They are your relatives and so are blood related. it clearly states that you dont have to pay tax and NI for these people.

It also says that;

A carer can care for children (not blood relatives) and the blood relatives are not counted in the 'number' that ofsted say a carer is able to look after iyswim.

Abip · 27/04/2009 20:41

Hi there. How many kids do you have? i pay a qualified childminder £4 phour per child. But i can get help from child tax credit as she is qualified and registered. Also moving in with my partner and will be claiming child care vouchers of £55 a week maximum instead of child tax as we wont qualify, this saves you £950 per year in tax as its untaxable. However you can only give these to a qualified child care provider who is registered.

willowthewispa · 27/04/2009 20:42

Trained, experienced nannies expect to earn quite a lot above minimum wage chellesgirl, as this reflects the training, responsibility of the job etc. Minimum wage jobs are unskilled with little or no responsibility.

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:43

I wish I could charge mre I guess but I wqas desperate for a job as we are in need of the money right now. I feel so bad even asking to do extra hours for her like tidying her house even though she doesnt mind.

looneytune · 27/04/2009 20:43

That last bit about 'number' sounds more like a 'Childminder' and that's totally different as we're self-employed. No idea about the rest as I'm a CM and not a Nanny or employed carer, just wanted to mention that bit about the NCMA website.

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:49

www.theworksource-childcare.org/cc/faqselfarrangedchildcare.asp

visit above site serrento

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:51

Whether employed or self employed if you are paying someone money whether family or not, the HMRC will expect some TAX & NI from someone

I thik you are mixing up regulations

NCMA say that you can pay family money without them being a childminder not that you can pay them without paying Tax & NI

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:52

Thank you

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Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:52

willow, i am a fully qual nanny/nursery nurse etc... i wouldnt expect a family to have to pay me so much been as im there 5 n a half hrs a day. i get to bring my dd too, so it saves me getting childcare.

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:52

Chellesgirl That is an american site

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:54

If i was working full time for £10 HR id be paying half this in nursery fees for dd, so whats the point for me?

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:54

That's an american site, surely the rules are different here ?

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Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:55

is it oops. let me revise

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:56

Very different Sorrento

If you paid your brother - you would either pay him under the Tax/NI threshold or you would pay his Tax & NI

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:57

www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/start/who-qualifies/children/childcare-costs.htm

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 21:00

That's about being eligible for childcare costs from Tax credits

You will have to pay Tax & NI trust me - I used to work for them

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 21:01

I think i'd keep him under the threshold because he'd get bed and board too, so it would almost be pocket money really.
The DC's are 5, 6 and 8. I do trust him, in terms of loving the children and keeping them safe but I suppose it's the childcare courses and qualifications I'm having my head turned by, I love the idea of Mary Poppins doing marvelous things with them.
In reality though my previous experience has been one lazy mare and one psychopath so maybe just loving them is enough.

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