What would an unqualified childcare worker earn ?

[Sorrento]

If looking for somebody who would literally just run the children around to various activities and then cook them tea.
What would be a fair rate ?
Would pay for mileage too.

Chellesgirl, I wish you would check your facts before making statements about things!

I also don't think taking cash in hand work is "kind", it's very foolish.

Well I'm not sure about 'kind' or 'foolish' it's certainly illegal

Plus how is it affecting your tax credits? & other benefits?

Sorrento - If you provide bed and board, plus pay below the tax threshold (currently £95 per week) plus he has no other sources of income, then he would I feel be a live-in employee and thus exempt from National Minimum Wage, plus as you are paying below the threshold you don't need to do PAYE paperwork.
HMRC - PAYE: Basics is worth a read, to help you understand UK income tax and national insurance.

Someone can be untrained but still do marvellous things.

I'm a little concerned about something you wrote earlier: "But my younger brother is currently unemployed and has never worked with children before, but has two of his own, babies though and has helped out before but never sole responsibility."

If he has two young children of his own, why is he not caring for them? Would they come with him, stay with you? When you say "helped out before but never sole responsibility" is that of your children, or his own?

Oh no I mean sole responsibility of mine, not his, just a case of different needs and behavior isn't it, plus with them being his if he wants to allow cornflakes (and crunchy nut ones at that) for dinner well that's up to him but I wouldn't and I guess that niggles away at the back of my mind too.

You could call me a babysitter!

Theres no rules where thats concerned.

Foolish? Why? Who said CIH meant cash in hand anyway? I certainly didnt.

I dont think gordon brown could say shit, hes got us into 175 bill £s worth of debt and wants to spend YOUR taxes an a £2 mill pouns computer system to track all your private emails and calls.

Hes not helping my family at all. We dont claim Benefits, my dp works and pays tax, we pay road tax and insurance, rent and bills. Im only 'babysitting' to earn some extra spending money so I can buy some non 2nd hand clothes for once in her 15 month life!

So, Chellesgirl, you help the children you look after to do their homework, eh?

Yes on some occasions when his sisters not there I will help him with his HW, whats wrong with that.

is what chellesgirl wrong when she said blood relatives are not counted in your numbers??
i thought they where

never work for friends or family

and if you did work for a member of your family in their home and you earned more than the tax/ni limit (think 117 a week) then tax and ni needs to be paid

i would employ a nanny/run a round and you def need to pay petrol at 40p a mile

cih means cash in hand, and you clearly meant that - and yes you are foolish and what you are doing is illegal if you earn over the tax threshold - but that is up to you - but as you say you earn £110 then think you are ok

though what i dont understand is if you are qualifed then why you dont ask for £6ph hr?

Can we get back to meeeeeeee please

all i meant was blondeshavemorefun is that my niiece is 6mths old and yesterday my baby rang in sick and my other niece was taken to hospital so it meant i could help out for the day

but if baby had not phoned in sick (yes she is a clever baby haha) i would have had 3 mindees so couldnt have my niece unless relatives dont count in your numbers

when my boys were small i didnt even have friends back after school for tea till mindess where gone as i would have been over my numbers

Minimum wage is £5.73 not £5.77

dmo - my reply was for sorrento - never have i said that you couldnt look after your niece and numbers of children - so not sure why i got the {hmm}?

problems arise often if you work for F&F and then you disagree on work stuff and it can get messy so i would pay a nanny rather than use your brother

well thats ok blondes I dont earn that much!

I only earn up to £95 a week and that maybe with petrol or without. If with petrol, It will be a max of £110.

Yes it is tru about childminders not having to count blood relatives in thier numbers. I def know that is true my mom used to be a childminder.

Blondes, becuase her business has failed, shes in rented accom with 4 children, + 2 of a weekend. She and her H have had to get other jobs, lent out by friends to keep them going and so I feel very awful charging her £6 an hour when NMW for my age is £4.77. Plus she pays me petty. I just helping her I suppose. And they also (not that I knew this before I started helping her)that her family are actually distant family friends and we have so much in common, like I used to teach her daughters friends dance and other stuff.

How come your own children affect how many mindees you can have on your registration certificate then? The NCMA states here "In England, Ofsted will set a number of children you can care for. The maximum is six children under 8 years old, of which usually no more than three may be under the age of 5, and of these, usually no more than one child may be under one year old (although Ofsted may grant an exception, for example, for brothers and sisters). These numbers will include your own children if you have any."

You don't have to be registered for blood relatives but if you're being paid to care for them then surely they count?

Sorrento I also say don't use friends/family for regular childcare - how much would it grate if your children were fed cornflakes for tea every day and how would you tackle the issue with your brother?

IMO it's fab for him to be around but let him stay their favourite uncle who lets them eat wacky things for tea, not their nanny who sometimes has to be the bad guy.

As far as I am aware, if you are a childminder then if you care for relatives they are part of your numbers - think about your own children, if under 8 yrs old they get deducted from your allocation.

Chellesgirl, I'm a cm, ds 4yrs, and the number I can care for is reduced by 1 until he is 8years old. So I can care for 5 under-8s instead of 6. He also takes up one of my under-5 places at the moment which means I can care for 2 additional under-5s instead of 3. Blood relatives ARE counted when a 'head count' is done for the number of children in my care at any one time. Don't even have ds friend round to play if it puts me over the numbers stated on my Ofsted registration certificate.

But it doesnt include children over 8 yrs?

No, but if challenged by Ofsted you have to be able to show how you are 'meeting the needs' of all of the children in your care. Personally, haven't minded children older than 7yrs anyway - though have adult and teenage daughters too.

Maybe rules have changed since 2000? i dont know. I just remember reading it on thier website when I was looking to be a childminder, but opted out as dp has caution.

Chellesgirl, rules change all the time. Things have changed quite a bit since 2000.

Rules seem to change every day for cms

You were looking to be a childminder in 2000? When you were 11 ?