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Just carpeted AP - please make supportive noises! Tired mum, patience exhausted.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 08:21

Long post, apologies in advance. Badly need to get this off my chest.

Some of you may be familiar with my AP saga. We've had a lot of APs over the years, some good, some ad, some indifferent.

Basically the current one is a nice enough lass of 21, who has been with me since November, and was at university doing a biology degree last academic year, but often very inefficient, and had to be dealt with by the agency early on for only doing what she felt like doing when she felt like doing it, resulting in minor but persistent domestic chaos which was driving me nuts. There has been some improvement in key areas since then but there are still problems.

Background is I am having a fourth baby in 5 weeks, have bad SPD, and am very very tired, so need a reasonable level of domestic support.

Recent misdemeanours have included failing to come home at the time she is supposed to, because she felt like taking DS2 (7) to the shops and library spontaneously, so DS1 (11) came home to an empty house after school and panicked and went back to school in tears, causing a major incident with the Deputy Head phoning me etc (I was at the hospital for an appointment). I carpeted her for that, and told her if it ever happened again she would be on the next plane back home because the children's safety was paramount. I noticed a more minor repeat of the incident happened on DH's watch a couple of weeks ago, but he is a bit of a softy, and didn't tell her off like I did.

There's a lot more stuff as well. I was in the kitchen last night and noticed the oven door was looking grubby, so went over to give it a quick wipe. The back story here is that I have just had Ovenu in to completely overhaul it at a cost of £120, because the AP had not been wiping it after spilling things and it had got into a right state. I had explained to her the need to wipe up after yourself when using ovens, otherwise the fat etc all bakes on and then makes the thing impossible to use (which she had originally been complaining about). When I opened the oven door I could see that she can't have wiped it once since the bloke came, because it was caked in dirt and grease, the Lakeland teflon liner at the bottom had spilled fat all over it and was so grimy and greasy it could hardly be removed from the oven floor, and there was a tray of charred cooked food from the end of last week sitting there in pride of place on the middle shelf. Ugh.

I started cleaning up after her using my Lakeland oven chemicals, such was the state of the thing, but it soon became clear that she had let it go to the point where it needed the man to come in again after only 4 weeks of relatively light use. You should know that it was very painful for me to scrub away at the oven with my hips in the state they are in, and also I cannot cook myself at the moment because I can't lift the hot dishes.

She also has been taking 8-10 hours to fold the washing and do the ironing each week, a job which has taken other APs up to 4 hours and takes me 2 in my normal fit state, and spends a lot of time hiding in the utility room doing this, but failing to help the children with their homework and music practice, which is what she is supposed to be doing between 4-5 each day. I try to help the kids as well but the painkilling drugs I am on mean I can be quite out of it sometimes at this time of day, and this is very hard. The laundry backlog got particularly huge last week and I found DH in there late one evening trying to finish off the pairing of socks, folding of school polo shirts and so on from the mountain, but he works a 60-70 hour week and frankly I do not think he should have to do this.

Similarly I showed her how to clean the kids' room and shower room a couple of times (the only cleaning she is supposed to do apart from wiping up after herself), but she has reverted to that thing APs do where they just do a bit of token dusting and hoovering in the easy areas, leaving the ornaments, tops of shelves and so on. We now have a situation in which the window frame is literally black with mould, a problem as we are all allergic to mould spores here. She has not wiped the window once, that means. You can also draw in the dust.

I have just sat her down and told her she has to start doing all her jobs properly and thoroughly, and is on two weeks' notice to improve otherwise we will have to review whether she stays at all. She did a bit of a poor little girl act (she is good at that, particularly with DH) but I just told her to pull her socks up and give us the help we need and are paying for, not what she can be bothered to do. This means she may well give notice herself leaving me stranded just before the birth, and rather rueing having paid an agency £400 to provide us with her last November, but I am thinking I probably can't go on picking up the pieces after her.

Has anyone else had problems like this, and what was the resolution??

Also any supportive murmurings badly needed here.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 18:53

Aha, that is a good way of putting it, Weegle, and makes me feel a lot better.

Round here there are a lot of language students who spend four figure sums on a few weeks' family accommodation over the summer, sometimes even in a shared bedroom, smaller than our AP gets, with less food and perks provided.

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solanum · 23/02/2009 19:06

Boffinmum- you have my sympathy entirely. I have had similar issues with au pairs-never something MAJOR and DRAMATIC but a continuing lack of actually improving the day to day easy flow of life in the house, with issues over things such as not cleaning the bathroom that she used along with the
children,unless I told her to: ie when spoken to about it, I'd get a blanklook and a "I do that on Fridys" comment- the toliet NEVER being cleaned out properly at all. This means that you have to keep checking everything, which kind of defeats the purpose of having an au pairliving in.Issues such as, cleaning children's rooms, yet, after about 9 weeks, underneath the children's beds there was so much dust that she had to be told to clean it out and then I was told that it was too dusty for her to clean in one morning.......

I is alwys cleaning that seems to be the issue, yet people who havenothad an aupaairthink that if youmention cleaning thatis somehownot an au pairs job.

Aupairswho are in a family with school agechildren are nowayworking for the minimum hours expected UNLESS they have tasks to help with in the daytime. Hence,it is entirely reasonable for part of their duties to involve cleaning children's rooms, a bathroom, tidy up after themselves in the kitchen including mopping the kitchen floor regularly,doing some ironing.

If I had an au pair now and she did not make sure that she was in the house to let my child in after school, if that had been made clear to her at the start as part of her duties, she would be out if she did it more than twice. If she has been told to be in for them, then she has to be there.

solanum · 23/02/2009 19:09

"Au pairs who are in a family with school age children are not working for the minimum hours expected UNLESS they have tasks to help with in the daytime. Hence,it is entirely reasonable for part of their duties to involve cleaning children's rooms, a bathroom, tidying up after themselves in the kitchen including mopping the kitchen floor regularly,doing some ironing."

Sorry for typing errors.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:16

I try to help the kids as well but the painkilling drugs I am on mean I can be quite out of it

VERY curious about this because I've had lots and lots of problems during pregnancy and breastfeeding and was never allowed anything other than paracetamol, or ibruprofen if I was feeling like living life with ker-azeee risk-taking. What are you being prescribed?

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:21

morningpaper obviously can't answer for the OP but when I was preg I was taking max strength co-codamol - made me pretty whacked out. That stuff still makes me more spaced than the low dose of morphine I have pumping through me every minute of every day, weird.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:24

co-codamol deffo not allowed during the last few months though IIRC

PandaG · 23/02/2009 19:32

I was prescribed cocodamol for spd - made me completely spaced out. I ended up hospitalised for a month before I had DD

only useful comment I can make on an AP thread!

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:34

I'm supervised by the hospital acute pain team, so they have been able to push the boundaries a bit with my medication. I am on 60 mg codeine 4 x day taken with 1000mg paracetemol 4 x day to enhance the effect, with Oramorph for breakthrough pain (that one makes me incredibly out of it and I feel like there's a small elephant sitting on my chest). I'm not allowed anti-inflammatories during pg because of the risk of fetal heart defects. I also have a hospital TENS machine on all day. The consultant wants me to come off the opiates by week 38 to avoid potential problems with respiration in the newborn baby - apparently the half life of the drug means you need 2 weeks to clear it out of your system. They are also arranging an antidote to be available in case there still is a problem and the neonate team will be made aware when I go into labour. Complicated stuff!

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morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:34

lol am intriiiiigued by all types of painkillers during pregnancy and breastfeeding as I was banned from using any despite beign bedridden at parts

It's interesting how GPs seem to vary

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:37

thanks boffinmum that is SO interesting! How do they manage the risk of codeine addiction in the baby?

Acute pain team smiled cheerfully at me and that was about it while I continued to breastfeed

Now I have lots of proper drugs and it is lovely great to be off my face again able to break the cycle with a few days of serious anti-inflammatories every now and then

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:39

were you under the Pain Clinic though? They will push the limits further than Obs/Gynae who go by the book? For example, if I have a future pregnancy I will be admitted periodically and given epidural pain relief - well that ain't gonna happen just by speaking to my GP/midwife/Obs about pain - they just look up in their book and say ok you can only have xyz. I was on co-codamol till very close to the end iirc. But as BM says the opiates do need to be out of your system for respiratory reasons in the newborn. Anti-inflammatories tend to be the big no no for both pregnancy and breastfeeding.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:42

Naaah I had a spinal consultant team but basically I have hypermobility isshoooos which is bad news for SPD

I got the referral to the pain clinic but had given up by them TBH so weaned and just went round the back of the hospital and bought heroin*

DH won't let me get knocked up again...

*am exaggerating

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:43

I did have a stay in hospital a month ago as I said, and it helped a lot, but declined the offer of another visit for now, although I wouldn't be surprised if I end up back there at some point because it's definitely deteriorating day by day.

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morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:43

anti-inflammatories are really the only thing that ever "fixes" me TBH, that's the problem

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:43

It SUCKS boffinmum

Was it like this in previous pregnancies?

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:45

It's also about who you talk to and their knowledge base. So my Rheumy consultant who's very up in Rheumatology and a very good General Physician says up to 6 weeks take what you like, after 6 weeks there is a window where some anti-inflammatories (such as diclofenac) are safe until third trimester. Then of course there are steroids - prednisolone is safe for certain periods of pregnancy and can be a good pain relief where it's caused by inflammation etc. As usual with these things though you need to be in the right bit of the system to access the right help at the right time.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:46

HMMM it is also tricky finding a consultant whose opinion you actually trust

You don't want to feck around with these things

Some of them I wouldn't trust to feed my cat

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:47

Really feel for you BoffinMum, it is the pits

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:48

My GP wouldn't have given me this stuff. They are rightly cautious because it is actually a pretty advanced specialism this stuff. I could only see the clinic as a tertiary referral from the ante-natal team - GPs can't refer to the pain clinic.

They are not really worried about the codeine addiction issue, even though they explained I am apparently on the same dose of opiates as a recovering heroine addict. (That shocked me a bit). I think as long as I come off them by week 38 it isn't an issue. They have tried to identify how I metabolise the drug, however, because 1% of people metabolise it quite seriously and their babies can have problems at birth and also whilst bf. It's obvious I am not an ultra metaboliser, as they call it, so I think we'll be OK.

I was really impressed with the Pain team - they knew so much about the chemistry and psychology of pain and it certainly made a big difference to my mobility and also my wellbeing.

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Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:49

MP absolutely - that's why I go and research everything for myself on the internet BEFORE popping anything... Like I had 4 separate consultants and a GP tell me recently that diclofenac never ever affects female fertility. See my Rheumy, he says be wary of the diclofenac, I google it and hey presto - loads of anecdotal evidence of women failing to get pregnant whilst taking diclofenac... They aren't god...

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:53

Lots of x-posts!

I have heard that about Diclofenac as well, but the pain team didn't want to go down that route with me. I believe that is the plan for after the birth though.

I am normally very stoic and wouldn't even take a Smartie whilst pg but once the mechanisms had been explained to me I was happy to go along with it because I appreciated the lack of mobility was getting dangerous.

I have never had a pg complication before in three previous pg, and it really knocked me for six getting something like this. I am not going to have any more babies after this one because I just couldn't face it at all.

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Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:59

It is really hard, pain and pregnancy, totally horrid mix.

For future reference - after the birth seriously consider taking the diclofenac in a suppository form. Given where the pain is - I found the suppository made a massive difference to the pain relief over oral tablets. And it also won't cause gut problems that way, meaning you can cut out taking another pill (they will normally prescribe something like omeprazole with oral diclofenac). I used to live for diclofenac (until I discovered the fertility link), now I live for morphine instead .

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 20:03

Cheers Weegle, good tip.

I am just pinning all my hopes on being one of the lucky ones who regains most mobility 6 weeks after the birth. I will be crashingly disappointed if I am in a wheelchair for two years or more like the worst case scenarios.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 20:05

I did have a good moment at the weekend when my hip clunked a certain way and suddenly the pain vanished and my mobility returned more or less completely, for five minutes anyway. DH and I took this to mean the tissues may not have been as damaged as we originally thought, and recovery was more likely than not.

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Weegle · 23/02/2009 20:07

that's good, fingers crossed it will all be ok in the end

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