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Just carpeted AP - please make supportive noises! Tired mum, patience exhausted.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 08:21

Long post, apologies in advance. Badly need to get this off my chest.

Some of you may be familiar with my AP saga. We've had a lot of APs over the years, some good, some ad, some indifferent.

Basically the current one is a nice enough lass of 21, who has been with me since November, and was at university doing a biology degree last academic year, but often very inefficient, and had to be dealt with by the agency early on for only doing what she felt like doing when she felt like doing it, resulting in minor but persistent domestic chaos which was driving me nuts. There has been some improvement in key areas since then but there are still problems.

Background is I am having a fourth baby in 5 weeks, have bad SPD, and am very very tired, so need a reasonable level of domestic support.

Recent misdemeanours have included failing to come home at the time she is supposed to, because she felt like taking DS2 (7) to the shops and library spontaneously, so DS1 (11) came home to an empty house after school and panicked and went back to school in tears, causing a major incident with the Deputy Head phoning me etc (I was at the hospital for an appointment). I carpeted her for that, and told her if it ever happened again she would be on the next plane back home because the children's safety was paramount. I noticed a more minor repeat of the incident happened on DH's watch a couple of weeks ago, but he is a bit of a softy, and didn't tell her off like I did.

There's a lot more stuff as well. I was in the kitchen last night and noticed the oven door was looking grubby, so went over to give it a quick wipe. The back story here is that I have just had Ovenu in to completely overhaul it at a cost of £120, because the AP had not been wiping it after spilling things and it had got into a right state. I had explained to her the need to wipe up after yourself when using ovens, otherwise the fat etc all bakes on and then makes the thing impossible to use (which she had originally been complaining about). When I opened the oven door I could see that she can't have wiped it once since the bloke came, because it was caked in dirt and grease, the Lakeland teflon liner at the bottom had spilled fat all over it and was so grimy and greasy it could hardly be removed from the oven floor, and there was a tray of charred cooked food from the end of last week sitting there in pride of place on the middle shelf. Ugh.

I started cleaning up after her using my Lakeland oven chemicals, such was the state of the thing, but it soon became clear that she had let it go to the point where it needed the man to come in again after only 4 weeks of relatively light use. You should know that it was very painful for me to scrub away at the oven with my hips in the state they are in, and also I cannot cook myself at the moment because I can't lift the hot dishes.

She also has been taking 8-10 hours to fold the washing and do the ironing each week, a job which has taken other APs up to 4 hours and takes me 2 in my normal fit state, and spends a lot of time hiding in the utility room doing this, but failing to help the children with their homework and music practice, which is what she is supposed to be doing between 4-5 each day. I try to help the kids as well but the painkilling drugs I am on mean I can be quite out of it sometimes at this time of day, and this is very hard. The laundry backlog got particularly huge last week and I found DH in there late one evening trying to finish off the pairing of socks, folding of school polo shirts and so on from the mountain, but he works a 60-70 hour week and frankly I do not think he should have to do this.

Similarly I showed her how to clean the kids' room and shower room a couple of times (the only cleaning she is supposed to do apart from wiping up after herself), but she has reverted to that thing APs do where they just do a bit of token dusting and hoovering in the easy areas, leaving the ornaments, tops of shelves and so on. We now have a situation in which the window frame is literally black with mould, a problem as we are all allergic to mould spores here. She has not wiped the window once, that means. You can also draw in the dust.

I have just sat her down and told her she has to start doing all her jobs properly and thoroughly, and is on two weeks' notice to improve otherwise we will have to review whether she stays at all. She did a bit of a poor little girl act (she is good at that, particularly with DH) but I just told her to pull her socks up and give us the help we need and are paying for, not what she can be bothered to do. This means she may well give notice herself leaving me stranded just before the birth, and rather rueing having paid an agency £400 to provide us with her last November, but I am thinking I probably can't go on picking up the pieces after her.

Has anyone else had problems like this, and what was the resolution??

Also any supportive murmurings badly needed here.

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Nabster · 23/02/2009 10:19

I think the carpetting for not being home on time was justified.

I was an au pair 17 years ago for one five year old. I had to pick her up from school, do her tea and play with her until her parents got home. I did some food shopping and had to clean the house once a week.

I don't think she has too much to do, the children are at school for the majority of the day, and if she organised herself better she could get everything done and have some free time for herself.

White it isn't her fault you are struggling with things, I would have hoped that someone working and living with you would be prepared to muck in a bit more. It won't be for ever.

thebody · 23/02/2009 10:33

totally agree with ssd. you need a better level of help, not another kid on your hands.
I know you have had problems with ops in the past, a nanny might be better. About your 11 year old coming home to an empty house when he didnt expect to, I would have been livid at that one.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 11:19

Thanks for all the advice and support, much appreciated, lots of great tips. The state of the oven baffled me as well, tbh, and must be some sort of Boffin Household record for going from perfect to disaster in four weeks. I think that's why I was so cross.

BTW I am very strict on the boys helping with the cleaning because I want to be able to marry them off to nice girls in the future, so that's in hand. But they are still quite young and their tasks are mainly confined to tidiness, dishwasher duties and hoovering. DS1 has been known to iron under supervision very occasionally, but obviously they're still at that stage where it takes almost as long to coach them as we would all spend doing it for them, so this is more of an educational exercise than a productivity one.

Now good news, we have had really good progress since my last post. I asked her to help me go down to the supermarket to buy cleaning products and so on, so we could get everything under control. She was very happy to do this and actually better with the wheelchair than DH!!

We bought useful things and also some things to help her a bit with the laundry, and then had a nice capuccino in the cafe.

She admitted she had been a bit lazy if she was going to be strictly honest, and said that thinking about it, she was probably trying to avoid being a proper adult and rather liked people finishing off for her, picking up after her and so on, but had realised it was time to move on and take a bit more responsibility for things, because everyone has to become a grownup at some point.

Now my jaw dropped at this frankness, but I was delighted to hear this as you can imagine. She is as we speak catching up with the dusting and so on in the boys' room and generally trying to focus more while she is working, to avoid it taking all day. I am quite strict about them not over-running on their hours because otherwise they are effectively working for peanuts, and my conscience does not like that at all, plus they get over tired and have no energy for sightseeing, language lessons and socialising which is frankly the main point of why they're here, not to do our washing.

I will do weekly lists from now on because I think it will be a lot clearer what I am thinking. I will also put some approximate timings on there, because then she'll know how long other APs have taken doing the same jobs.

Thanks once again for all the support. I am feeling less fraught already and in a funny way I am glad it came to a head.

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ingles2 · 23/02/2009 11:23

ooo that's great BM Fingers crossed it continues

Squiffy · 23/02/2009 11:31

BM, sounds to me from the language you use that you are close to breaking point and I really feel for you. I had SPD and know how awful it makes you feel.

I do suspect however that this might lead you to be overreacting a bit about the AP. Whilst the role of an AP is so simply in theory, in practice you rarely find anyone who ticks absolutely every box. I think you should seperate out all the bits of that AP role and then ask yourself how she 'rates' on each of them

EG:
interacting with kids - do they like her?
tea prep - does she feed them properly, on time?
Babysitting - is she flexible, reliable?
Level-headed? would she cope in an emergency?
Cheerful?
Ironing skills
Cleaning
Does she leave you with a bit of privacy yourself?
Does she get drunk, misbehave, invite friends round when you are away, nick the last bit of milk without replacing?

Then tot up how she 'rates'. If on balance she is ok then you have to mentally 'drop' the stuff that winds you up and see if you can get it resolved another way (eg we send our shirts out to be ironed as current AP is hopeless at ironing). If she doesn't rate highly then bite the bullet and replace her.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 11:31

Ssd, I have had two mothers' helps in the past and tbh they were worse than this, so I am not sure which way to turn at the moment. Plus I am not sure a nanny would be happy to do much on the domestic front, although I suppose most of what the AP is being asked to do is nursery duties, looking at it, and nannies usually do that, am I right?

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 11:34

Squiffy, have you been talking to my DH?????? This sounds like him. Of course I am overreacting in my current handicapped hormonal state, but I am also struggling to keep things on an even keel for everyone else at home (AP is the first to complain when they're not, and I am expected to do the firefighting, which is the thing wearing me out most).

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 11:36

At least she hasn't shagged my brother, like a previous AP did many moons ago, or nicked money out my drawer, or lost one of the DCs in central London by not getting on a train in a timely fashion when it arrived. Not all the same AP, I hasten to add ...

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Helen31 · 23/02/2009 11:48

Actually, almost a shame it wasn't the same brother-shagging, money-stealing, child-losing AP - they would obviously have been a keeper!

fluffles · 23/02/2009 11:58

I've just looked up 'carpeted' and 'carpetted' in the urban slang dictionary and i STILL don't know what on earth you mean????

PLEASE can someone put me out of my misery.

Nabster · 23/02/2009 11:59

given a real telling off

Weegle · 23/02/2009 12:00

well sounds like things might get more positive

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 12:20

I told her off in my teacher voice. Doesn't get scarier than that.

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willowthewispa · 23/02/2009 12:31

I can't believe she just didn't show up at home when she knew DS1 was coming back!

HSMM · 23/02/2009 12:48

I had an AP once, who did nothing but moan and phone her boyfriend. I really need some help and I know there are some great APs out there, but she has put me off completely.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 13:06

I think about 50% of mine have been very good, 25% just about OK, and 25% actually really crap looking back.

The good ones have been lovely to live with and really helpful. They have still got the odd thing wrong, but frankly I expect a bit of that. However our lives were better because they were there, and they usually stay in touch and come back to visit, which is nice.

The good ones have all had f/t working mums, by the way ...

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MmeLindt · 23/02/2009 13:17

That is great, BM. Hope she continues to improve.

She did not have access to the computer this morning, did she? Could she have seen this thread, and seen us all spouting off about how hopeless and immature she is?

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 13:25

No, I don't think she's seen the thread because she has been busy being mega helpful since her telling off!!

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thebody · 23/02/2009 16:37

great, best of luck with everything, how old was your brother by the way? little monkey!!

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 16:56

He was 21 and she was about 20 I think, so can't be too cross!!

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Belgianchocolates · 23/02/2009 17:14

BoffinMum. Sounds familiar. Our current ap is doing as little as possible too. However she does do a good job with the dcs and she's leaving soon as I'm going on ML this week and I can't see the point of having an ap when I can collect my own dcs from school (otherwise it costs us over £20 a week for her and my dcs bus fare) and the only bit of housework she does it their laundry and it's cheaper to just take the ironing to one of those ironing places. So we're just biding our time and leaving things be for now. But I totally understand how lots of little, seemingly meaningless things can build up to make you wish you didn't have your ap. I'm happy for you that your ap has realised where she's going wrong now though. Hopefully you'll have the help you need.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 17:30

She has been much better the whole rest of the day, so I can only hope it lasts. I think her confession over coffee was very helpful, as it seemed she genuinely realised why I was bothered. She has said before she thinks we are a very good billet compared to some other local families who are hosting AP friends of hers, so I did feel a bit put out she wasn't trying very hard.

I was a bit earlier when some people posted more negative comments suggesting I was exploiting her, and I am glad some other AP host families have come on to discuss this, because I was a bit upset about that. Perhaps they didn't understand how APs usually work?

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thinkingabout3 · 23/02/2009 18:22

I don't think that you are unreasonable at all, I think that people on here who have never had an aupair have the idea that they're free guests who might do a school run if it suits them.

My aupair, cleans the house twice a week, irons twice a week, is responsible for the childrens bedding and laundry and does some school runs and dinner supervision whilst I am at work / taking to activities.

I absolutely expect a decent level of cleaning and she is fine but she has an aversion to skirting boards, window frames and dust under sofa's so I do them but the guidelines I was given suggested that they should spend no more than 30% of their time on housework and she doesn't but I do expect her to keep on top of things

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 18:44

That's reassuring, ThinkingAbout. I think my APs have a pretty reasonable deal in that case with 20% housework and 80% keeping an eye on the kids. Obviously nobody is going to house and feed an adult for free in return for the odd unreliable school run. Or if they did, surely we would all be doing this!

I have got more rest today after the initial energy expenditure at the supermarket, because she's been on top of things a lot more, so that's been brilliant.

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Weegle · 23/02/2009 18:49

It sounds like you might have just helped her to grow up - which afterall is a lot of what they come over for!

I think a lot of people don't realise the two-sided-ness of the AP relationship. It's not employer/employee but neither is it slave/master as some people seem to think. It very much is about an equal partnership and each party must feel they are getting their side of the deal met in return for what they give. AP's aren't just exchange students who get a roof and board for a short period of time. They are here to do something for their board and lodging and striking that balance right with housework & childcare offsetting against the opportunity to study/perks/pocket money/opportunities to explore another country is often overlooked by those on the outside looking in making their judgement calling an AP host a slave driver. So don't worry Boffin Mum - if you really did treat AP's in a slave like manner they a) wouldn't stay and b) you wouldn't have a history of lovely AP's who've valued their time with you so much they stay in touch and come back to visit etc.

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