Should parents pay nanny's for the nanny to take them out?

[NannyL24]

Can I have some advise please I started working as a registered nanny for a nurse last September due to cold weather and dark nights and alot of evening shifts I haven't needed to take the children out and they haven't wanted to they've been happy enough staying home playing outside with friends and playing games with me and other games they already have. However with it becoming warmer and the holidays I have said from day one of starting I am happy to take the two (6 years old and 8) to museums, bowling, cinema, parks etc. However this was recently brought up and the parent said I could get paid back this via tax which wouldnt be while a year later on a tax return and i doubt daily outings can be given back, I have said no to this due to working for an Income and not funding the children for a year out of my wages. Are parents meant to pay for their own children outings and even my costs as I am working? Just need some advise with me being new to this. Plus the mum already gets 80 percent back for childcare costs so doesn't pay my full wages out of her own wages

Sorry - your link hadn’t posted when I replied 😂

There is a website that offers advice for Nannys and their employers, and this covers expenses and this can be found here :- Paying your nanny's expenses and mileage | Nanny Matters

Are you employed or self employed - if its the UK, you should be employed and as such the expenses are theirs and not yours.

& no, you're not self employed. You can't suddenly send a friend instead of you. You almost certainly wouldn't meet the other indicators of self employment either.

May I ask how much you're charging per hour?

We have always paid all expenses for children and nanny. Of course.

I had to ask one nanny not to go out with the children. She always chose the most expensive options asking us to top up. Didn't work.

I don’t think you are self employed. To be self employed you need to meet certain criteria such as being able to send a substitute and plan your own ours as long as services are delivered (like a joiner or gardener coming to your house to do a task).

By pretending you are self employed they are not making employers NI contributions, you are not entitled to holiday pay, maternity pay, redundancy, protection from unfair dismissal.

i knew these chancers would have pulled this. Job hunt starts tomorrow I think!

No! I have a friend who is a nanny and she works out costs for trips etc and runs it by the parents. She tends to choose one more expensive trip a week in the holidays. Beach, parks etc are obviously free. If they can’t afford to pay for you as well they can’t afford a nanny.

Op re being self employed if you're only working for the one family then my understanding is (I may be wrong) then you ought to be an employee. See the following link that dummarises the position: www.nannytax.co.uk/self-employment#:~:text=When%20might%20a%20nanny%20be,more%20families%20at%20one%20time.

*summarises!!

Oh dear.

They are exploiting your naivety, and dodging paying the fair rates of tax & NI that they should pay

I very much doubt you would actually be categorised as "self employed" if you went through all the questions at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-employment-status-for-tax (scroll down to the "start now" button for the questions)

This!! I would find another family, that is unbelievably shocking. Any costs you incurred as a result of looking after their children, they pay for.

You can't legally be a self-employed Nanny either you don't meet the criteria. If I were you, I would look for an actual Nanny job where the parents are happy to do things legally and fairly. These people are gonna get you in bother, one way or another!!

It's a shame for the children as they're probably attached to you by now, but it's their parents bringing this on not you.

if you don't mind saying, what are they trying to get away with paying you? I fully expect they're taking advantage of you in this way too.

Also no you shouldn't pay. We gave our nanny a card.

So they want you to pay all these costs and then put them through as a Business expense?
Thats not how it works

OP, this CF family is exploiting you. My friend is a nanny and she is employed by the family. She is not self employed. Your family should be paying your NI, holiday, sick pay. They are taking the piss. You need to look for a new family.

Hi I'm registered with HMRC as a self employed nanny on my account so nothing will go against me as I am doing everything by law so I have no concerns over that. Just gutted it's coming to light that most nanny's are employed not self employed so you have more rights being employed.

If they are claiming 80% of your wages from the government then they want childcare as opposed to a nanny. It sounds like they cannot afford for the children to go anywhere which costs money. In that case I’d stick to free places and lots of picnics etc . Just tell the eldest child the truth. Mum doesn’t give me the money to take you to expensive places.

Yes and most people would like to do that!

I'm appalled at their suggestion.

Weirdest thing I’ve heard in a long time. Of course they pay the costs of their children’s trips out and cover your costs too. Either give you cash or a card. Expecting you to pay and claim it back months later is madness.

Tell the cf that's OK they can pay and you will claim it back at the end of the year and give it to them.

You need to look for another job babe x

You can’t be a self employed nanny. It’s not legally allowed.

What hourly/daily rate do you charge OP? I'm worried they have convinced you what you should work for. Don't undersell yourself.

Haha of course the parents should pay you up front. I've had nannies and would never dream of them paying to take my kid anywhere. I always paid for my kid and the nanny if I wanted them to go anywhere that cost money.

100% any costs of taking the children out should be covered by the parents as they are incurred (or end of week, end of month, whatever you have agreed). Anything else is utterly unreasonable.

Seriously, don't put up with being messed around on this as it sounds like the thin edge of the wedge.