How much to pay if not childminder/not Ofsted registered

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Hope much would you pay someone to have your child after school, say for 2 hours.
If they're not a childminder (so presumably don't have those qualifications) and aren't Ofsted registered?
But they didn't want to do it for free (fair enough)
In Yorkshire

Via school. She used to work in a school

I do hun.

Babysitting is where someone comes to your house and looks after your child, usually in the evening after they're in bed. Legally the title is pretty interchangeable with a nanny, though nannies are usually employed and provide regular day time care - but nannies also often provide babysitting.

A childminder is someone who looks after your children for payment in their home.

...for more than two hours per day.

No but to say she should earn more because she's not a childminder is odd....as informal crèche she could take more clients pay the insurance and tax and earn a wage

It's not about 'should' in a 'what would be just' sense. It's about 'should' in the sense, 'what should the OP offer'?

Nurses should earn more than footballers, but realistically Manchester United 'should' offer a top striker more than a nurses wage if they want them to come and play there.

The OP 'should' offer more than £2ph if this woman is only taking her child because it's unrealistic to expect her to do it for £2ph.

OP you have my sympathy as we are in a similar position and have no childcare available. Can you consider a babysitting type arrangement?

I think you might need to accept that in informal language people use the term babysitter more widely than it's definition in the childcare act.

Like it or not 'babysitting' is used to describe ad-hoc/informal childcare arrangements regardless of whose house it's in.

I've exhausted all options. I have no choice but to change my hours. There is no benefit to me or my child for this. More childcare in the holidays. Less time with her. Never mind what work's reaction will be. I'm so sick of life. My child told me to fuck off and still expects me come and help her. I'm staying calm and giving the consequence where I won't come and help her but it doesn't matter she can't see sense. I don't know where I went wrong. Everything is a battle

OP, I get the feeling you have a lot going on right now. It sounds a difficult situation. I'm so sorry you're going through this stress. I am sure your DC adores you and they won't understand the stressors you are under. Kids do say and do very stupid things sometimes! I hope you manage to find a workable solution for the childcare issue and anything else besides, and that things start to get easier for you.

OP are you in England? Isn't there a legal obligation for schools in England to provide after school care?

i am a nanny and charge £15 an hour to look after children in their home, I have never been ofsted registered and so not have childcare qualifications as you don’t need them. Good references, someone who shares your values regarding childcare/ education is more important than being registered with ofsted, you only need to do a very short course (like a few hours I think) to be ofsted registered.

To be Ofsted registered you need to demonstrate knowledge of the EYFS and how you're going to follow it, your curriculum, safeguarding, legal regulations like human rights and equality act. You have a one to one meeting where you have to demonstrate that knowledge and meet suitability checks and medical checks. Your house is scrutinised as is your family.
My last Ofsted inspection was a days notice the inspector was there for 5 and a half hours no break I didn't stop to eat drink or visit the toilet. where is that child with their learning? What were the starting points? What are the next step? What are they getting from that activity? What was your intent by setting out that activity? How do you encourage parents to provide a healthy diet? How do you refer a child for additional support? What are the signs of faith based abuse?
It's very intense and not easy on a nursery several staff would have been spoken to in that time.

There are two types of Ofsted registration compulsory and voluntary.

@Irecan describes the process for the voluntary register.

@jannier is talking about the compulsory register.

Just incase anyone is confused as to why there are two such different takes on it!

Any childminder caring for under 5s must be on the compulsory register.

Absolutely.

The previous poster was talking about being a nanny and the voluntary register.

I appreciate the situation you are in OP. Childcare places are very limited where I live and a lot of parents look after each others kids after school as friends but don't pay each other. It's just a straight swap that one day one parent will look after the kids and then the next day it's another parent's turn.

Things to consider using unregistered childcare:

• no contracts so woman could turn round and say she doesn't want to do it anymore with no notice whatsoever. Same with if she decides to go on holiday, have a day off or forgets.

• no insurance so if something happens to your daughter in her care then she will have no liability

• she could get reported for tax evasion if she is taking cash in hand from you and not declaring her earning

• you or she could get reported for unregistered childcare, particularly if other childminders find out she is earning more than double what they charge or a neighbour believes you are neglecting your child.

Most people would get to know their childcare especially if not going down an official route

you or she could get reported for unregistered childcare, particularly if other childminders find out she is earning more than double what they charge or a neighbour believes you are neglecting your child.

From what the OP describes there is no need for this woman to be registered so no risk because of being reported for 'unregistered childcare'.

Only childminder's for the under 8's and nursery/pre-school type setting are required to be registered. Nannies, au pairs, mother's helps, babysitters and childminders for the over 8's have no requirement to be registered anywhere.

So, up to 2 hours care per day, then she doesn't have to be registered. I will just point out though that she won't be insured and she may not have paediatric first aid training.
However, obviously you will visit her several times and get to know her better, and maybe arrange for your daughter to spend time there without you. She's 9 years old so is more than able to tell you if she doesn't like it there
Is there anyone that knows her who you could ask about her? You also need to think about any other adults who live in the house and what they're like.

I’m a nanny . You have suggested someone looking after several children at your house.
Nannies can legally only look after children from two families. More than two families and they have to register as a childminder and your home would be the setting .
You would be the employer and need to have insurance for employees in your home , pay minimum wage , holiday pay, national insurance, tax, pension .
So don’t go down that route.

And just to add when childminders are registered it is not just an enhanced DBS that is completed .
it’s is :
Enhanced DBS specifically for home - less than 3 months old.
The local authority (social services) for each authority the ‘childminder’ has lived at in last 5 years, is contacted to ensure the person has had no contact with them.
DBS and local authority checks are completed for everyone over 16 who lives at the property.
The property is checked for safeguarding- by Ofsted inspector- this means checking every room in the house , including looking in cupboards and drawers.

if this lady is only looking after your child for less than 2 hours and your child is over 8 than yes she doesn’t need to be registered but the above checks won’t have taken place . If you think it is safe re her home and not just her but other adults who may live or visit , then go ahead.
Pay what local after school clubs charge .

Could you find an after school club locally and arrange a taxi to drop her there?

Sorry childcare is so difficult when children at school .

During the covid period when afterschool club wasn't open one of the mums in my DD's class did this. She had a massive garden room and used that, would take them to the park on the way home from school.

My daughter loved it as it was only her year it was like an extended play date for about 6/7 of them.

Don't know if I would have done it if I hadn't known her in advance though.