How much to pay if not childminder/not Ofsted registered

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Hope much would you pay someone to have your child after school, say for 2 hours.
If they're not a childminder (so presumably don't have those qualifications) and aren't Ofsted registered?
But they didn't want to do it for free (fair enough)
In Yorkshire

Stop being so harsh on the op! She's just trying to find some childcare so she can work!
She's already said she'll get to know the person first and will know what is right for her own child!

Of course there are op. I'll go as far as millions.

child minders are able to charge less than minimum wage because they have multiple children in their charge - but with 3 kids will get more than MW overall.
if someone is going to be looking after just your dc and no others they are effectively a nanny, and are only earning what you pay so needs to be MW at least.

There probably are but not with a complete stranger

You know that this is what a lot of nannies, babysitters, mother's helps and au pairs are? All common forms of childcare!

Everyone's a stranger initially aren't they? You have to get to know them, which the OP will do.

OP you do need to pay minimum wage if she's just taking your child, at that point she's a nanny or babysitter, not a childminder. If she's taking multiple children i.e. running an illegal childcare business then I would avoid using her and get yourself a babysitter instead, maybe an older teen.

If she has her own children you can probably knock 20/25% off, that's what would happen with a NWOC.

This might have to be my next try.
But I feel so awkward.
Some don't work so wouldn't need reciprocal arrangement.
One child she has a love/hate relationship with so unsure about if it's a good thing to ask that mum or not, don't want to cause friction with the kids if they're not getting on one day.
Others seem so busy. And I just feel so awkward!

Don't ask people directly if they will do it, ask them if they know anyone who does. It will be less awkward and you can sound them out.

You don't have to pay minimum wage to a childminder! You're not an employer.

A childminder is someone who looks after children in their own home. They are self-employed and charge a fee per child - usually around £5 an hour.

It doesn't matter if the childminder is caring for 1 child or 10 - that doesn't change the fee they charge.

A childminder only has to register with Ofsted if they care for under 8s or only look after children for less that 2 hours a day.
It's perfectly legal.

The ones who don't work still might appreciate a babysitter to have an evening out, if you'd be able to do that at some point.
Or offer one of the mums at her school some money and then you don't have to worry about not being able to reciprocate

Nannies and babysitters work in the child's home - childminders work in their own home.
That's the difference, not the number of children cared for.

That's one difference, but there are many differences.

The difference that is relevant to pay is that childminders have multiple children and charge per child whereas nannies and babysitters charge per family. This is why a childminder will be less per hour.

The own home/their home situation isn't particularly relevant to hourly wage and whether the OP needs to pay minimum wage etc.

Whether it's in your home or the child's home is literally what legally defines the childcare as being childminding or nannying, so not sure how it's not relevant.

Some childminders only look after one child, that doesn't stop them being childminders.
Nothing to stop this unregistered childminder taking on more children if she wants to. She's doing nothing illegal.

Mmm I'm really no sure that that will make people offer...
I've already put a post on Facebook asking if anyone knows...
This doesn't make people think oh I'll offer unfortunately 😂

The question in the OP is:

Hope much would you pay someone to have your child after school, say for 2 hours. If they're NOT a childminder

She's NOT a childminder. That's in the OP!

She's a babysitter and presumably will want to be paid as such. The OP can offer her £4 a hour if she likes because you think she's a childminder. I doubt the woman will accept it!

OK :)

Well, all I can say is - I would expect to pay someone who looks after other people's children for reward in their own home (commonly called 'a childminder') the same whether or not they are registered with Ofsted. Which in my area is around £5 an hour for after school care.

If others will be in the same boat then don't feel awkward. Do you have a parents' WhatsApp rather than randoms on Facebook. Be straightforward...

I'm struggling to find childcare since xxx closed. Is anyone interested in trying to find a nanny share or would anyone be up for regular playdates and I can do evening babysitting in return.

[assuming you can]. Put it out there are see what come comes back. Be specific rather than just generally looking for a childminder.

I think it might be more money if your child is the only one. Childminders have upto 3 under 5's upto 6 under 8's and technically can have over 8's too. So their overall fee after school could equate to around £30 per hour (before expenses) but only be around £4 per child.

If you used registered care you can get the 20% tax free so you need to save that amount. Then consider the provider won't be insured if anything happens that includes car insurance unless they take out taxi insurance. Will she be declaring her income if not she's not paying tax....most childminders would earn a third of what their fees are after costs like food, consumables, insurance etc.

Childminders very often don't clear minimum wage.

I'd give them a tenner cash in hand 🤣

It's their business and what they charge/how they manage their ratios is in their control. If they aren't sufficiently profitable, they have the power to change things until they are.

Thank you for the wording here.
Might use this.

I was talking to people this morning explaining the problem but no one offered 🤣
(I didn't think anyone would offer)

Other thing is offering to cover some of the other children after school at my house and them doing same for me - the ones who have been using the wraparound care I mean.
But I don't know them

It's how you will get to know them! Go for it, you have nothing to lose and I'd be amazed if others aren't also struggling.