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purpleme12 · 2023-02-06T21:45:28+00:00

Hope much would you pay someone to have your child after school, say for 2 hours. If they're not a childminder (so presumably don't have those qualifications) and aren't Ofsted registered? But they didn't want to do it for free (fair enough) In Yorkshire

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jannier · 07/02/2023 17:10

ShiverOfSharks · 07/02/2023 14:09

It's their business and what they charge/how they manage their ratios is in their control. If they aren't sufficiently profitable, they have the power to change things until they are.

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Are you serious do you know how many nurseries and EYfS settings are struggling with taking funding rates? How can you charge more than a parent can pay? I guess your answer is close all childcare sling babies in massive school run nurseries and bring back Truss.....why do you think there are campaigns about government funding?

jannier · 07/02/2023 17:12

autienotnaughty · 07/02/2023 11:52

I think it might be more money if your child is the only one. Childminders have upto 3 under 5's upto 6 under 8's and technically can have over 8's too. So their overall fee after school could equate to around £30 per hour (before expenses) but only be around £4 per child.

You don't have 9 aged 1 to 8

autienotnaughty · 07/02/2023 18:22

@jannier that's why it says upto. You could have three under 5's and three 5-8's or you could have no under 5's and six 5-8's or any thing in between. 6 is the maximum for under 8's unless the childminder has an assistant then they can apply for an extension.

jannier · 07/02/2023 19:47

autienotnaughty · 07/02/2023 18:22

@jannier that's why it says upto. You could have three under 5's and three 5-8's or you could have no under 5's and six 5-8's or any thing in between. 6 is the maximum for under 8's unless the childminder has an assistant then they can apply for an extension.

All dependant on Physical space and not impacting on the care of EYFS

pompomdaisy · 07/02/2023 19:52

They can't choose to be non registered!

ChildminderMum · 07/02/2023 19:59

pompomdaisy · 07/02/2023 19:52

They can't choose to be non registered!

You can if you only care for over 8s - you can register on the voluntary childcare register but you don't have to.

autienotnaughty · 07/02/2023 20:53

@jannier of course.

monitor1 · 08/02/2023 09:52

purpleme12 · 06/02/2023 22:09

The person has suggested minimum wage.
But that is more that what a childminder charges (who is full/can't take on)
And like someone said above,I wouldn't be paying for the qualifications etc etc.
Also I would get no help from tax credits as they're not registered. And yet I'm paying out more money.

yes but a childminder has multiple children so their hourly rate isn't just what you are paying

jannier · 08/02/2023 17:29

purpleme12 · 06/02/2023 22:00

This is interesting reading. I had it in my head that it would be less pay than a childminder would charge (because not Ofsted registered and not an actual childminder etc) but from here some people are suggesting £10-12

It should be less way less especially if cash in hand no overheads no insurance no tax and you can't claim any government discount

jannier · 08/02/2023 17:35

NuffSaidSam · 06/02/2023 22:53

OP you do need to pay minimum wage if she's just taking your child, at that point she's a nanny or babysitter, not a childminder. If she's taking multiple children i.e. running an illegal childcare business then I would avoid using her and get yourself a babysitter instead, maybe an older teen.

If she has her own children you can probably knock 20/25% off, that's what would happen with a NWOC.

No she's not a childminder unless she's registered and inspected she's informal childcare.

jannier · 08/02/2023 17:37

monitor1 · 08/02/2023 09:52

yes but a childminder has multiple children so their hourly rate isn't just what you are paying

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But as informal childcare she can operate as a crèche for less than 2 hours so could have more and could be self employed. But her mortgage, landlord and house insurance won't like it and she will have no valid insurance for the child getting hurt.

Truckinghell · 08/02/2023 18:28

ChildminderMum · 06/02/2023 23:20

OK :)

Well, all I can say is - I would expect to pay someone who looks after other people's children for reward in their own home (commonly called 'a childminder') the same whether or not they are registered with Ofsted. Which in my area is around £5 an hour for after school care.

Really baffling that you don't understand the difference between a childminder and babysitting.

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 18:47

jannier · 08/02/2023 17:35

No she's not a childminder unless she's registered and inspected she's informal childcare.

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In the post you've quoted I've said she's NOT a childminder, so I'm not sure why you've said 'no, she's not a childminder' when that's what I've already said?!

(Although childminder's for older child older don't need to be registered do they?)

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 18:51

jannier · 08/02/2023 17:29

It should be less way less especially if cash in hand no overheads no insurance no tax and you can't claim any government discount

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You can't seriously believe that this woman is going to look after the OP's child for 'way less' than a childminder, when a childminder' is charging £4/5 ph?! You think this woman will babysit her child for £2 and hour? You're joking, no?

jannier · 08/02/2023 18:56

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 18:51

You can't seriously believe that this woman is going to look after the OP's child for 'way less' than a childminder, when a childminder' is charging £4/5 ph?! You think this woman will babysit her child for £2 and hour? You're joking, no?

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But a childminder charging £4 an hour on 3 children is only earning £8 before paying tax and national insurance less if she's providing food why should someone who hasn't jumped through hoops, done any qualifications or training and pays no insurance get more than a registered childminder?

MissMaple82 · 08/02/2023 18:58

arethereanyleftatall · 06/02/2023 22:13

£10 an hour.

But, at over 8, pending logistics, I'd give them a key and let them come home alone.

At 8!?!?! Wtf

jannier · 08/02/2023 18:58

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 18:47

In the post you've quoted I've said she's NOT a childminder, so I'm not sure why you've said 'no, she's not a childminder' when that's what I've already said?!

(Although childminder's for older child older don't need to be registered do they?)

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But she's not a nanny or a babysitter either as they work from the child's home she's no name childcare

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 19:06

jannier · 08/02/2023 18:56

But a childminder charging £4 an hour on 3 children is only earning £8 before paying tax and national insurance less if she's providing food why should someone who hasn't jumped through hoops, done any qualifications or training and pays no insurance get more than a registered childminder?

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3 children @ £4 is £12 not £8.

I understand you're saying it's not fair but that's not really relevant to the OP. This woman is not going to take £2 an hour is she? Realistically?

Unfortunately the world doesn't work that everyone earns a wage equal to their qualifications and how hard they work.

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 19:07

jannier · 08/02/2023 18:58

But she's not a nanny or a babysitter either as they work from the child's home she's no name childcare

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I think a babysitter is probably the most apt label. I agree they generally work from the child's home, but I don't believe there is a legal definition of a babysitter that means they can't work in their own home (for less than 2 hours/with older children) is there?

jannier · 08/02/2023 19:19

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 19:06

3 children @ £4 is £12 not £8.

I understand you're saying it's not fair but that's not really relevant to the OP. This woman is not going to take £2 an hour is she? Realistically?

Unfortunately the world doesn't work that everyone earns a wage equal to their qualifications and how hard they work.

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That isn't her income is it unless you think food, craft, extra heating, insurance, loo rolls...lots of loo rolls....toilet and floor cleaner....lots as kids can't hit the pan..are free...how much does it cost you to feed 3 kids a cooked dinner, pudding and snacks? So really saying her costs are £4 an hour is pretty cheap.

jannier · 08/02/2023 19:24

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 19:07

I think a babysitter is probably the most apt label. I agree they generally work from the child's home, but I don't believe there is a legal definition of a babysitter that means they can't work in their own home (for less than 2 hours/with older children) is there?

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Babysitters are short term temporary arrangements in the child's own home

How much to pay if not childminder/not Ofsted registered

NuffSaidSam · 08/02/2023 19:35

jannier · 08/02/2023 19:19

That isn't her income is it unless you think food, craft, extra heating, insurance, loo rolls...lots of loo rolls....toilet and floor cleaner....lots as kids can't hit the pan..are free...how much does it cost you to feed 3 kids a cooked dinner, pudding and snacks? So really saying her costs are £4 an hour is pretty cheap.

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You said £8 less if she's providing food.

So it's £12, less her tax, NI and costs.

I agree with you. I don't know why you're so cross.

It's just not relevant to this OP. Maybe start your own thread about how tough it is for childminders to turn a profit.

In this thread the OP is asking how much to pay this woman. She's not going to take £2 ph because you feel hard done by. It's not going to happen.

lemonsaretheonlyfruit · 08/02/2023 19:38

Minimum wage only applies if it's income that is declared and paid tax and national insurance on as another poster said.

OP my DCs are older now but when I did need this arrangement I had a TA from the DCs school 3 days a week until I got home. It was a perfect set up as she was already DBS checked and knew the DCs. It was also great if I needed to get a message to one of the Dcs in the day or if there were any issues.

I paid her £10 per hour (this was 4 years ago though. I can imagine I would pay her £12 now. Am in London if that makes a difference) for both DCs and left something for dinner that just needed reheating.

I think TAs are a great shout and they are grossly underpaid unfortunately so they are often keen to earn some extra cash.

Coolblur · 08/02/2023 19:44

Putting aside the fact she is not registered as a childminder, you say she is DBS checked. How recently? Is everyone over the age of 16/18 in her household DBS checked? That is one of the many requirements a registered childminder has.

I wouldn't do this, and indeed didn't when I found someone who on the face of it seemed ideal, but turned out not to be a registered childminder.
I know you may feel desperate but there will be other options. Have you tried messaging anyone directly on Childcare.co.uk? You have to pay to do so, but that's how we found childminders (our required hours were unusual).

LolaSmiles · 08/02/2023 20:50

Putting aside the fact she is not registered as a childminder, you say she is DBS checked. How recently? Is everyone over the age of 16/18 in her household DBS checked? That is one of the many requirements a registered childminder has.
Not just this, but does she have an enhanced DBS, which is the requirement for people working and volunteering with children?
Anyone can get a basic check but it isn't thorough enough for work with children.