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Is nanny being unreasonable over travel pay?

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fblue · 24/05/2019 11:47

We have a full time nanny/housekeeper in a long term contract.

We pay her a good salary (and a bit more than her previous job) which is a strain in our finances, but she was an experienced nanny/housekeeper with good references and we felt she deserved the pay when we took her on. Any extra hours during the year we pay at £12/hour.

She is in her second year with us and last year we took her with us on our holidays. Beforehand, she informed us that in previous jobs, whenever she travelled with the family, she would get paid an EXTRA £100 per DAY in addition to all travel costs AND her monthly pay.

We told her we could not afford anywhere near that, and we offered her all travel expenses covered (of course) including food, plus working 2 extra hours per day at her £12/hr rate, and an extra £12 per day just for the trouble of being away from home.

We also told her she had the option not to come with us, take unpaid holiday and perhaps find a summer travel nanny job that would pay her what her previous families paid her.

She decided to come with us and accept the terms. However, the evening BEFORE the flight, when we had a lot of stress because we had just moved home two weeks before, our flat was full of boxes and we didn't even have our suitcases packed, and she knew all this, she tells me that she misunderstood what we had offered her (even though I had put it in writing) and that we are paying her too little for the trip.

We nearly fired her at that point for her lack of consideration but I could not possibly fly alone with 2 small children and a baby. She agreed to come anyways and kept insisting until we payed for her bus travel to the city where her family lives on the days off she was going to take while we were at our travel destination.

Fast forward a year, in which her performance has been declining compared to the first year, and we are now trying to agree if we can afford to take her with us and how much she wants. She is asking for £60 per day instead of £100 but that is still too much for us. She even told me that this job with us is her worst paid job ever, which is just not true, and definitely unfair because we are paying the most we can and a very reasonable rate.

What is your experience? Is it true that some nanny's get paid £100 EXTRA per day when travelling in addition to all expenses covered?

Would it be an option for us to just tell her that we don't need her over the holidays (and give her unpaid holiday)?

In the medium term we need to find a new nanny (a part time one) but for the next few months we can't let her go. Any advice?

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nespressowoo · 24/05/2019 11:49

Ditch her! She sounds awful!

Comefromaway · 24/05/2019 11:51

She's taking the mickey. She shold only be paid extra if she is expected to be on duty for longer hours or overnight.

notapizzaeater · 24/05/2019 11:52

She's taking the piss !

Comefromaway · 24/05/2019 11:53

Be careful though. Dependng on her contract you may not just be able to say you don't need her over the holidays unless there is an agreement for her to go on short time working where you may have to pay a retainer.

Also she will get more emplyment rights once she has been with you for two years.

Babysharkdododont · 24/05/2019 11:55

I think she needs to be paid 24/7 whilst away, she's not on holiday, she's travelling with work.
The fact you're at the top end of your budget is not her fault.

Comefromaway · 24/05/2019 11:59

I think she needs to be paid 24/7 whilst away, she's not on holiday, she's travelling with work.
The fact you're at the top end of your budget is not her fault.

Thats only if she's on duty 24/7. People regularly travel for work and don't get paid 24/7, they get paid for the hours tht they are actually working.

OP is she live in or live out usually and what are her usual working hours?

Pixilicious · 24/05/2019 12:00

I agree with Babyshark. It’s not a holiday for her is it? And she’s away from home. The fat you are paying her travel and feeding her is irrelevant.

Teddybear45 · 24/05/2019 12:04

Yes it’s definitely true about paying 100/day extra for holidays where I am. In London it can be close to 200-300/day. Plus you would be expected to pay for the nanny’s flight and hotel room (if you don’t want them to stay with the kids). Remember this isn’t a holiday for them just for you; they still have to organise activities etc for the children and often it would be even harder work.

fblue · 24/05/2019 12:08

She is live out and works 8 hours per day 5 days a week.

Last year she was expected to work her 8 hours, plus the 2 extra hours that we paid additionally, and we also gave her an extra £12 for "inconvenience"

Thanks for the link and advice about layoffs. It's not in her contract so she'd have to agree.

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fblue · 24/05/2019 12:10

Sorry, my last post was replying to @Comefromaway

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fblue · 24/05/2019 12:11

@Teddybear45
People pay that much in addition to the monthly salary even if the actual hours worked are the same?

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Happyspud · 24/05/2019 12:16

I wouldn’t be paying my nanny to come with us anything more than paying for her meals and travel. She would be doing less hours on holidays but would get her full rate. Id make sure she had nice chunks of time off to do her own thing.

m0therofdragons · 24/05/2019 12:16

I guess the argument is that her "off duty" time cannot be spent with friends in her own home so she's restricted by your holiday choice. No idea re standard arrangement for nannys but any staff member telling me they can earn better elsewhere gets the same response... "well this is what we offer so if you're unhappy I will accept your resignation. Your notice period is x."

SpecterLitt · 24/05/2019 12:18

What would be a reasonable payment for you if you were in her position? Paying for her ticket, hotel, food etc is standard. It's a holiday for you - not her, she is still working. Furthermore, how do you know what she was paid at previous jobs? You being at the top end of your budget is not her fault. If she is too expensive, find alternative care. Her request is not unreasonable at all in my opinion, but I am interested in knowing what you would accept as payment if the roles were reversed.

fblue · 24/05/2019 12:22

@SpecterLitt , actually when my husband or I travel away for work, we only get our travel expenses paid, we don't get paid any extra money on top of the salary whatsoever. Isn't that the standard in most industries?

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pelirocco123 · 24/05/2019 12:24

Why would she have had to take unpaid holiday if she didn't come with you?
I am not familiar with long term contracts and whether you can break them , but suggest you look into it
And the next nanny you employ agree terms for everything , don't just accept the terms the nanny wants if they don't fit in with you and unless you are being completely unreasonable you will find a nanny that suits and take advice on employment law

chopc · 24/05/2019 12:25

@SpecterLitt exactly. You don't get paid extra for the inconvenience of being away from home. I find that people employed by other people rather than companies tend to take the mick more. Get rid of her. If part of her contract is to travel with you and she agreed, then she is breaking that agreement by asking for more money etc

I don't believe for a second this is her worst paying job because if it was, she would have long gone. She is taking you for a ride

AbbyHammond · 24/05/2019 12:25

You should definitely be paying her extra for being away.

I can't believe you threatened not to pay her if she didn't go away with you! You can't just force an employee to take unpaid leave.

Zebedee88 · 24/05/2019 12:26

I'm a nanny and we often go away. So I get paid extra if it's a weekend, obviously I dont pay for my travel and I get all my food included. However, I'm already being paid to work, so would not expect to be paid extra, just because I'm with you on a holiday. I also know other nannies and they dont charge extra .

AbbyHammond · 24/05/2019 12:27

Is she actually contracted to travel with you? As I live out nanny I assumed not.

Cloudtree · 24/05/2019 12:28

make her take her annual leave when youre away on your annnual leave

BlingLoving · 24/05/2019 12:29

I'm not sure about amounts, but certainly, I would expect a nanny travelling with you to be paid extra. Exceptions would be if the base pay had been worked out and agreed on the basis that she would be expected to travel with you for xx weeks per year. But certainly a nanny whose normal work is 8-10 hours in her home town would be perfectly reasonable in seeing travel as extra and frankly, not terribly convenient.

And yes, for many of us working, travel is considered part of the deal. But for a start, that is usually explained up front - ie you know you're likely to have to travel and its worked into your terms and conditions etc.

Also, how long are you away for? I mean, if it's two days or so, then sure, perhaps it can be seen in the same way as a business trip for you. But assuming you're away for at least a week, that's not the same. I know very few people who travel for work for more than a few days at a time and the ones who do accepted that, (often with corresponding pay benefits) up front.

Pugpigprick · 24/05/2019 12:29

I also agree with above - I don't get paid for when I'm staying away. I'm contracted 38 hours a week but in my contract it did say 'some evening work, overnight stay and occasional weekend'. When I'm working away I do get a nice hotel room and food which in my eyes off balances having to stay away. I would be miffed if my employer didn't ask beforehand if I would be okay staying away on 'x' date. I'm presuming she has her own room and is able to clock off at 5?

Samind · 24/05/2019 12:31

I think she is pushing you a bit to see how far she can go.

Maybe she is getting a bit comfortable.

Have you anything in contract about holidays? Or is she employed through an agency where they have their own fees?

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