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Going around in circles about next labour - LONG

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BabiesEverywhere · 26/01/2008 11:06

I DON?T EXPECT ANYONE TO READ THIS STUPIDLY LONG POST, I JUST NEED TO GET THIS DOWN ON PAPER AND SO I CAN PROCESS IT AND MOVE FORWARD.

I have just received a card detailing my blood issues Rhesus Positive with E antibodies. I need to carry during my pregnancy and for some reason this has really pushed me over the edge and I can?t stop crying.

I knew things would not be straight forward this time because of how my daughter entered the world.

Last time I was forced into hospital, as my anti-homebirth community midwife refused to come out to me and when the hospital tested me they thought I was Strep B and I had to be admitted. My labour stopped in the hospital as I was so scared. Started to induce me, I was tied to a bed with continuous monitoring.

I begged them to take it off and they refused (I now know we should of told them to fuck off ) They told me they thought I would be endangering my baby if I didn't lie still on my back with drip etc Because I couldn't move even an inch onto my side the pain was unbearable, leading to the 'classic waterfall inventions', so I ended up with drugs and a spinal thing. I pushed for 3 hours on the midwifes instructions.

Baby got distressed. So after 19/20 hours in labour in hospital (after a slow labour at home for a couple of days) they take me into surgery. I am very frightened of hospital at the best of times and being operated on whilst being awake and feeling it is my worst nightmare. They kept saying can I feel this cold thing on my leg, I said yes but they tell me I can't feel it. Why bloody ask me if you are going to ignore the answer?

I can still feel everything and they are talking about cutting me open, I am so terrified, my husband was outside the surgery room, I can hardly catch my breath. Eventually they let DH in and they say they will try forceps first and manage to rip my baby out that way. I touch her on her back for one brief second and they take her away, I feel very cold and start shaking

I don't remember the next few hours/days. Apparently I lost several pints of blood and had ripped one end to the other, had a blood transfusion and transferred to a HDU ward. All I remember is drifting in and out of consciousness, hearing beeping of machines and alarms going off and wires everywhere and a horrible mask on my face. I could hear my baby but I couldn?t reach her and the pain was terrible.

I have photos DH took of my DD and me in that ward, I can't look at them. I am 'not there' and have no memory of that time. Supposedly the first precious moments with my baby, I never gave birth, she was just ripped out of me.

I never had PND and bonded well with my DD and established breastfeeding (despite a midwife saying that mothers like me who have bad experiences, don't breastfeed). I rarely talk about what happened in hospital in real life, I avoid references to 'giving birth' and tend to withdraw when other mother talk about their labours. I have flashbacks and nightmares about what happened, though they had lessened over the last 17 months. At the start I would be crying daily and now I go weeks without it popping into my mind uninvited.
I eventually months later, did talk to the hospital about what happened and they had someone come out and go though my medical records with me, to fill in some of my blank memories.

When DD was 6 months old I thought I was accidentally pregnant and I was terrified and I wrote this entry in my blog at the time shows my state of mind at the time.
Blog Page

I thought I had made my peace with accepting that I would have to risk enduring the same experience for a second child if I went to hospital and I expected to book a private midwife so I could try to have a home birth otherwise. So with that in mind we TTC and got pregnant again and apart from a bit of bleeding I have had a good 12 weeks and no worries.

Yesterday we went for a scan and despite the bleeding we saw a healthy very active baby on the screen and I was so happy I cried

But when speaking to the midwife after the scan, she mentioned the problems in my blood. I am Rhesus Positive but have Anti-D and Anti-E antibodies in my blood, properly due to my blood transfusion. They will properly cause no problems but might cross and attack the baby if baby is a certain blood type. So I need blood tests every 4 weeks to check the antibody levels in my blood and according to the unexpected letter this morning I should carry this card whilst being pregnant.

The consultant said the heavy bleeding I had last time meant I shouldn't have a home birth, very reluctant about water birth, monitoring etc. The midwife agreed with me that being in hospital and being starved, lying on my back and the long labour and pushing for 3 hours and the cut, made me bleed and I would be at no more likely to bleed than anyone else if I have a normal labour and were more willing to comprise about water birth and monitoring etc. The midwife even said they would consider a home birth if I tested Strep B negative at 37 weeks and had no other problems but what is the chance of that happening.

However the last hospital said they would follow a birth plan and not tie me to a bed and they lied. Can I trust these people even if they are in a different hospital ? Even if they intended to follow an agreed plan, I can see everything changing if anything I do is not 'textbook' and no one has a textbook labour.

I still want a private midwife but we don't have enough money in our savings and our budget is so tight, I doubt we can save up the remainder needed in time. Also what if I went with a private midwife and ended up in hospital away. What a waste of money? Though for the chance of a normal labour I would spend every penny we had, we just don't have enough pennies. So although I pencilled in an independent midwife it looks like I will have to cancel her services.

The midwife did suggest an elective C-section under a spinal as a good alternative. I started crying, I couldn't find the words to explain how bad I felt. Luckily my DH realised I couldn't speak and he explained that was my ultimate nightmare and he was sure I was willing to do anything to avoid that particular scenario.

I am cross that because I was forced into hospital last time, it has caused many issues for this pregnancy. As the community midwife said ironically last time I was a perfect candidate for a home birth but now I am too much of a risk.

The midwife seems to be worried that I will crack up emotionally nearer the labour date and insisted I take details for a counsellor. I don't need a counsellor, talking will not make a difference to the past, I have tried it and it makes me will worse and weak. I just want to move forward and put practical things in place so maybe I will be able to give birth this time. I need to figure what I should do for the best.

I want to do the right thing but I don't know what that is. I just want to stay as far away from hospital as possible. But I don't want to bleed to death at home and despite being told it shouldn't be a problem, the antibodies in my blood and all the additional blood tests are scaring me.

I am just spinning around in circles

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BabiesEverywhere · 30/01/2008 09:04

VS, Thanks

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt, Are domino births the midwives in hospital route ?

Klaw, I would love more information on Strep B, I'll CAT you.

I'm reading this article at the moment, very interesting Strep Page

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Klaw · 30/01/2008 12:40

BE, I've emailed you,! As it turns out, you've just posted about one of the links I sent

Happy researching! I'm so glad to see you taking control, you will make informed decisions for yourself. Makes such a difference to mental well-being

VictorianSqualor · 30/01/2008 12:47

That birth plan link was from Klaw originally too btw. I pinched it

Klaw · 30/01/2008 13:15

It's not my link, it's out there in the Public Domain, I just hoard all these links for future reference!

I must admit to getting unreasonable pleasure from being able to point people in the direction of info so they can do their own research. Not very altruistic, am I? I have never enjoyed researching and learning as much as I have over the least 3 years

And there's still so much to learn.....

BabiesEverywhere · 30/01/2008 19:23

Thanks Klaw, I am working my way though the links you have kindly given me. It might take me a while

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hertsnessex · 30/01/2008 19:31

Hey Babies,

glad to hear things are going well. Have you and the doula been in touch since sunday?

i hope so!

cx

BabiesEverywhere · 30/01/2008 19:46

Yes, we had a chat on the phone and she has emailed me some forms to fill in (fingers crossed I can get funding) and a couple of links to read up on.

On her advice I am trying to re-book at a different hospital.

As yesterday I had THREE phone calls about my bloods, the last one telling me too forget the first two phone messages as they had a mix up at the hospital...doesn't inspire me in their ability. So the sooner I can move the better.

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hertsnessex · 30/01/2008 20:19

so please BE, please let me know how you get on.

x

BabiesEverywhere · 30/01/2008 20:41

Will do

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Klaw · 30/01/2008 23:55

Hey C!!!! You've been doing a great job here, with Lulu and Minrtpurple input as well as VS support. Thank Goodness for MN!!

hertsnessex · 31/01/2008 08:19

hey klaw, how u doing?

cx

Klaw · 01/02/2008 13:53

Hi C, I'm muddling through, muddling through.....

hertsnessex · 03/02/2008 00:37

glad to hear it!

cx

BabiesEverywhere · 05/02/2008 18:15

I am having a lot of trouble trying to re-book at the more home birth friendly hospital.

I am currently booked in hospital A, which want me in a consultant led ward to give birth and the community midwife I saw was quiet negative too.

Where as hosptial B doesn't have consultants in the baby bit and are very experienced at home births etc and have a midwife lead unit.

I am in a village which is on the border of both hospitals catchment areas and in fact B is closer than A.

B have agreed I can book into their hospital and/or midwife unit but they don't send midwifes to our village, it is traditionally left to the A midwife team.

I have spent most of the day talking to various medical people at various hospitals and I am no closer to a solution.

Though I have a couple of very helpful people looking into different options for me.

As a last resort I will be looking at the midwife unit, but they have a long list of things you have to be 'normal' wise to use there unit. Between the last labour issues and the blood issues and possible strep B problems, I doubt this unit will accept me

Well, I await feedback from the two nice people. Fingers crossed.

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Lulumama · 05/02/2008 18:21

okaaaaaaay.

did you get the email about the GBS site?

the homebirth site and aims might be able to help you with this dilemma re the two hospitals....

BabiesEverywhere · 05/02/2008 18:30

Lulumama,

I read the strep B site, thanks However the midwife led unit, like both the hospitals, all have their stupid fixed policies on what they (want to) do to strep B mothers and I would rather avoid fighting them in labour by hopefully staying at home and avoiding their narrow minded views.

I didn't think to ring AIMS...I'll do that tomorrow. Off to re look at the homebirth website.

From chatting to a fair few midwifes in the area, it just seems to be for political reasons that hospital B, don't cover home births here...grrr.

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Lulumama · 05/02/2008 19:06

it is good you have lots of time to get sorted.

you might not even test positive for GBS

AIMS and the homebirth site should be helpful, let us know how you get on

does your doula know anyone at the hospital to talk to about this situation?

morocco · 05/02/2008 21:31

hello babieseverywhere, I'm sorry, I feel like I'm stalking you and nosying in on your personal life, we know each other in rl and will email you in a minute altho I think you know who I am in any case. I am so sorry about all the hassle you are having. I had a hbac at the same hosp (well, at home iyswim?) and with a lovely doula who you have maybe booked, hang on in there, we'll sort this out for you

BabiesEverywhere · 05/02/2008 23:04

morocco, I'll be honest, you did freak me a bit with your post. But now I know who you are...hello , I have emailed you

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BabiesEverywhere · 08/02/2008 12:22

Good Blood Test Results

I have made my mind up, I am staying a home regardless of Grep B status, if I am positive and decide on antibiotices I will take them orally.

It is up to the hospital to try and convince me if they want my baby in there, but I don't and as my bloods now make it very problematic for me to have transplants I am better off ensuring I don't need one..i.e. Avoid hospitals and bad medical birth

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BabiesEverywhere · 08/02/2008 22:20

transplants Transfusions

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morocco · 09/02/2008 09:42

great news
now you've decided on hb it will be easy, just practise putting fingers in ears and humming la la la - comes in handy for those consultant meets

BabiesEverywhere · 09/02/2008 09:50

Actually I don't see the point of 'seeing' the consultant any more, he didn't listen to me and now the blood thing isn't as issue I am happy to see the midwives.

I will be ringing CA next week and ask to meet her when I go in for my 20 week scan...assuming I haven't managed to transfer to the other hospital by then. I understand she is good at sorting out home births, though I am going to nicely tell her what I am doing, not asking

So I need to fill in forms to see if I can get a doula (fingers crossed)

Sort out the strep B test at 36 weeks and I think I am set (though the hospital may have other ideas)

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morocco · 09/02/2008 20:12

all sounds fantastic, I'm really pleased, they'll prob want you to see the consultant at some point to be signed off, so they can write in your notes that you've been advised and chosen to . . . so you can't sue them basically. it was no big deal when I went in
good luck with all the doula stuff

BabiesEverywhere · 09/02/2008 20:29

morocco,

I have been ringing around and talking to a LOT of people and such a lovely consultant midwife (who I won't name here) rang me and gave me loads of useful information.

I'll email you the details to see what you think and to ask you a favor

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