With the best intentions, and no disrespect, do you feel woman that have c-sections havent 'properley given birth'?

[CharlotteACavatica]

Do you ever feel you think that way even if you dont mean to??

[MyTwopenceworth]

Dropdeadfred - easy option? You poor SOD! I don't think you (or anyone who had a c-s) had the easy option. I was walking around straight after my natural delivery, moment I delivered, pain gone. My poor sister was in serious pain for weeks after her dd was born and now - over 9 years later - STILL has pain from her scar! c-s = easy option, my hairy spotty ARSE!

[ShrinkingViolet]

actually having read the x posts, I woudl have worded my last post slightly differently.

[DANCESwithHughJackman]

I've had two sections (one emergency, one planned). I can't pretend I wouldn't have liked to have been able to give birth 'naturally' and to have felt that sense of achievement BUT I have two beautiful healthy children and at the end of the day that is all that matters. I don't regret my births at all.

[Lulumama]

my personal feeling after my em. c.s was that i had not given birth properly. i felt my baby had been surgically removed from me. i found it harder to bond, and felt cheated and traumatised and had horrific PND.

that was my personal experience.

i would not project that onto anyone else. i do know women who have felt traumatised by an elective c.s, but more who were happy with their choice.

if a primip wanted a c.s,i would want to encourage her to think about v.b as it is a potentially wonderful, enriching and empowering experience, that cannot be matched.

but each to their own, i don;t always like other peoples choices about lots of things, but chacun a son gout.

[TWIGgerhappy]

oh that felt gooo-oooo-oooo-oood

[TWIGgerhappy]

I have a pristine fanjo .. can't beat a pristine fanjo for your sense of empowerment

[Carmenere]

twig she has explained herself

[Theclosetpagan]

I gave birth by emergency caesarean - I had a baby and as far as I am concerned I gave birth.

[pooka]

Analysing the question, I do think that women who have had c-sections have given birth. Of course they have! How would they explain the baby appearing otherwise.
WRT "properly". If a c-section has been indicated, has been necessary, then it is the appropriate, "proper" way to give birth. It isn't the natural way to give birth, but as a means of having a healthy positive outcome where medical circs and events during labour and before indicate, it does a pretty good job.
If someone has had a section for medical reasons (which would include psycological reasons IMO), then I think it is rather hurtful to suggest that they haven't "properly given birth". Nonsensical too, since obviously they have given birth, albeit by a different route

[CharlotteACavatica]

Im not bothered by flack LaDiDaDi, im surprised at how heated people get by the mere suggestion that c-section is sometimes classed as giving births amongst others - it displays more than words in my opinion.

[haychEebeeJeebees]

Charlotte
I know what you mean, to do it naturally is the way its meant to be, how we were designed to do it. By having a section, it means unatural. I have wondered what contractions do actually feel like and what its like to have the babys daddy running about like a headless chicken as seen in the movies.
When you are a little girl growing up, you expect to find true love and to settle down and have babies the natural way. Therefore by having sections you feel like you missed out on something.
I dont regret having my two by sections though, i think im too chicken to do it naturally anyway. Not that the sections were a choice btw, first was breach and second was very small.

[Georgeous]

I feel a bit sorry for CharlotteACavatica who was posing a sincere question and got a lot of vitriol for it....

Obviously touched some raw nerves.

Incidentally, I think many mums feel bad about the way they had the baby, natural or c-section, if it didn't go the way they planned. That's why so many hospitals now offer a counselling service for women who have given birth and need to explore it/talk about it.

I think any woman who goes through a delivery, natural or not, should be supported in their choice, but it doesn't mean that we can't have a rational discussion about it....

[Yorkshirepudding]

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[StaceySlayer]

Are you serious???

With the best intentions, my arse!!!!

[HonoriaGlossop]

It gets me when people post a title with a question that's inherently disrespectful and rude, and then say that the inevitable scratchy responses tell them alot about the feelings of others!

it's the implication in the original title and post that people are sensitive about, NOT about their own birth experiences. I think you need to do people the courtesy of not drawing erroneous conclusions based on nothing.

[TheQueenOfQuotes]

actually of my 3 births - (well babies which I've given to birth too - I was only born the once ). My "worst" was most definitely my 2nd.....which wasn't the CS.

[katierocket]

"I feel a bit sorry for CharlotteACavatica who was posing a sincere question and got a lot of vitriol for it....

Obviously touched some raw nerves. "

If OP had come up with a less offensive thread title and explained her own background in the OP then I'm sure she wouldn't have had such a backlash.

[margoandjerry]

With the best of intentions do you ever feel, as someone who was born by caesarean section, that you really haven't properly been born?

I mean who gives a shit?

[ShrinkingViolet]

I don't feel like I missed out on anything by having three sections rather than vaginal births - what am I supposed to miss? (that's a genuine Q, not a stirring Q btw )

[Anchovy]

My DCs are just 4 and nearly 6 - both elective C-sections on medical advice.

I have a full time job, 22 thank you cards to write, party invitations to sort out, check when my babysitter is coming this evening, remember to tidy the spare bedroom when I get home; phone DH to check if he left money out for our cleaning lady; nip to the shops to pick up some toiletries and take a view on the going rate for the tooth fairy. Oh and do all my work, because I've been in a meeting all morning.

I seriously don't have the time to worry about, or indeed worry about what other people think about, my birth experiences.

[haychEebeeJeebees]

themildmanneredaxemruderer
Perfect description, the cake decorating. I think thats exactly what she means.

[Lulumama]

By CharlotteACavatica on Fri 05-Oct-07 13:05:55
Im not bothered by flack LaDiDaDi, im surprised at how heated people get by the mere suggestion that c-section is sometimes classed as giving births amongst others - it displays more than words in my opinion.



you are surprised how heated women get when talking about their birth experiences? when it has been initimated that c.s might not be a birth experience

out local hospital has c.s stats of 23 %

so almost a one in four chance of c.s

would be terribly sad for 1/4 of women to feel they had not given birth or for othr women to thikn they had not given birth

who has said c.s should not be classed as birth?

[CharlotteACavatica]

chill out TWIGgerhappy, and no, i wont fuck off, however much you dont like it, there are some people who do feel that a c-section is not womanly, and properely giving birth and my reason for starting this thread is that i have encountered this 'issue' alot over the last 7 years, since i had my first child by c-section, and altho i do find it personal and offensive, i have often wondered why exactly is it classed as being not natural, less womanly, not proper etc etc?? you all seriously need to lighten up! i have re-read my title and i see no reason for getting all hot and sweaty about it, its just a sensitive subject for some people but i havent in anyway called anyone some of the names you have called me.